Tie Direct or Leader With Onetens....?

[Crow Horse]

Next season I'll be starting my education with Onetens and wanted to know if tying direct or a fluoro leader should be used?  I'll be using 10# braid (832). Thanks..

[WRB]

I don’t think using braid with a 110 jerk bait is a good idea.

AJay uses these often and would be a good resource.

Merry Christmas,

Tom

[Crow Horse]

Thanks Tom and Merry Christmas to you and yours!

[gim]

15 minutes ago, WRB said:

I don’t think using braid with a 110 jerk bait is a good idea.

 

I tie direct.  I use mono.  I actually like some stretch when using a jerk bait.  It's one of the few presentations where some stretch is beneficial for me.

 

If using braid, I would definitely not tie that directly to the jerk bait.  A specific length of fluoro would be a good idea.

[softwateronly]

I agree with @gimruis.  FC/mono leader is a must inmo.  Braid gets tangled on the hooks way too often to be efficient and a little give in your system doesn't do anything but help with those small hooks.  I usually use 10lb sniper.

 

scott

[WRB]

Hard to beat Armilo Nylon 11# mono.

Tom

[Scott F]

I’ve caught a lot of smallmouth using jerkbaits on straight braid with no leader. For me, stretch in the line absorbs a lot of the action I impart when twitching the bait especially on long casts. If you’ve seen how little the bait actually moves when you jerk the bait when using mono, you’d see what I mean.

[FishTank]

I never use braid with the a 110. The way I work it, it would turn the bait backwards. Also, 10lb is too light in my opinion. The bait was designed for light FC. I use 8 or 10lb. 

 

The smaller jerkbaits, like the X-Nanahan, I will sometimes use BFS gear with braid (PE #0.8) to leader (8lb) but prefer 5lb FC with these as well.  

 

 

[Pat Brown]

Yeah straight mono of fluorocarbon for Jerkbaits for me.  The stretch seems to really help keep them pinned!

[Kev-mo]

Try it both ways and see what you like better.

[gim]

I could potentially see using braid if you had a whippier rod.  Then the rod would absorb the "shock" of a fish when you snap the jerk bait.  I'd still use a fluoro leader attached to the braid though.  The rod I generally use is pretty stiff, so the stretch of mono is where the absorption is.

 

Most jerk baits including the megabass visions do not come with stout, heavy gauge hooks.  They are generally lighter wire ones that are sticky sharp.  Putting a lot of force on a lighter gauge hook is generally a recipe for bending them.

[A-Jay]

The following applies to when I pursue the plus sized local smallmouth population. 

 I like spinning & casting for standard size jerkbaits ~  sticks are medium / fast and  6' 9"-7'-1" is routinely the the magic spot for me on both.  For line, 10 lb braid on spinning gear (suffix 832) and an 8 - 10lb big game (green) mono or Tatsu FC leader.  I prefer a 20 - 25 ft leader lengths in front of the braid on spinning gear.  I use a 7' ML spinning stick for smaller baits (110 +1 JR) with 8 lb braid and an 8 lb leader. It's something I started doing several year ago and have stuck with it. 

I believe it offers a few benefits that revolve around casting distance and landing fish.

For one, once a hooked bass gets close to my rig and is making her last few ditch efforts to earn her freedom,  i.e. short runs, jumps and even digging under the boat,

the longer leader keeps the connection knot on the reel for the most part.  So I don't have to worry about the connection knot ripping on & off the reel and up & down the guide train 5-10 times under strain, during one of the most critical parts of landing a brown tank. 

On casting gear, I prefer straight 10 FC line.  Tatsu or InvisX. 

 

https://youtu.be/AcsR1MWdSo8?feature=shared&t=423

 

A-Jay

[Crow Horse]

Wow!!! Followed by uncontrolled drooling.....

[A-Jay]

  I will add that after reading 'several' recommendations from @Dwight Hottle

promoting the benefits of Sufix 131 braid vs 832, my interest has bean peaked.

So when my various spools of 832 are exhausted, which may take a while frankly,

that 131 will get it's shot on the Pro-V Bass. 

Be nice if Sufix began offering it in more of a bulk spool sizing. 

A-Jay

 

[Phelptwan]

I'm actually trying out 131 this year as well. I had it on my BFS rods last year and found it to be exceptional.

 

I go a little heavier on my setups w/ 20lb braid and a 12lb invis-x leader.  

[GetFishorDieTryin]

I think JBs, specifically MBs work best on straight FC from 6-10lb with 12 being the heaviest I will use.  I do use braid to a long FC leader with my spinning gear and it works well, but the water I fish is very shallow and I don't have to get deeper then 6ft.  When using PE that bait moves about as far as youre twitching the rod tip, so you have to be mindful of being to aggressive otherwise you over work the bait or get blowouts.  If you want the bait to get as deep as possible its best to use 6 or 8lb FC IMO.

[JediAmoeba]

I used the 131 this year - I throw all my jerkbaits on casting gear, even the smaller Jr's. The 131 held up very well on my 21 daiwa zillion.

 

I run 20 lb braid to an 10' 8# gamma, shooter or tatsu fluoro leader. I prefer the braid to leader because you get better feedback when making those short, quick snaps with the rod.

[Cgolf]

Having lost too many jerkbaits to trophy class musky and some pike I still am holding out on buying these.

 

When I was talking to some guys at are local shop, they have said that they use this stuff with good results with the one tens. I am sure it slightly changes the action, but they still catch fish and don't go through 100s of dollars of jerks a year.

 

https://www.muskyshop.com/collections/lines-leaders-parts/products/line-leaders-leader-making-american-fishing-wire-surflon

 

 

Fixed the link to what A-Jay uses.

 

I looked on TW the site sponsor that I know used to carry something similar, but I couldn't find it. The didn't have a leader material category. 

 

 

I believe in straight braid for jerkbaits, but do use a moderate action rod with the braid. I personally feel this combination helps keep the fish buttoned and the moderate rod gives some forgiveness especially with unpredictable smallies or muskies. Braid on a fast or extra fast rod, unless it is a dobyns, is likely going to lose you some fish. At this point, 90 percent of my BC rods are moderate.

[A-Jay]

9 minutes ago, Cgolf said:

Having lost too many jerkbaits to trophy class musky and some pike I still am holding out on buying these.

 

When I was talking to some guys at are local shop, they have said that they use this stuff with good results with the one tens. I am sure it slightly changes the action, but they still catch fish and don't go through 100s of dollars of jerks a year.

 

https://www.muskyshop.com/collections/lines-leaders-parts/products/line-leaders-leader-making-american-fishing-wire-tooth-proof

 

I looked on TW the site sponsor that I know used to carry something similar, but I couldn't find it. The didn't have a leader material category. 

I use this -

MAJOR benefit is that it's KNOTTABLE

Meaning no crimps.

A double uni-knot to your line (any kind) and a simple uni-knot to the bait and I'm good.

I use an 18 inch trace at a time, and it does make a 110 run a little deeper.

But I get plenty of bass bites and don't lose the bait from being bit off.

A-Jay

 

[Cgolf]

53 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

I use this -

MAJOR benefit is that it's KNOTTABLE

Meaning no crimps.

A double uni-knot to your line (any kind) and a simple uni-knot to the bait and I'm good.

I use an 18 inch trace at a time, and it does make a 110 run a little deeper.

But I get plenty of bass bites and don't lose the bait from being bit off.

A-Jay

 

 

That is what they recommended I try mentioned that it was knotable. Glad to hear a second, good, opinion on it. It is on my list to pick up to give a go this year, and the bonus is that it is rather inexpensive and available locally.

 

Also good catch that I linked the wrong stuff.

[Cgolf]

1 hour ago, A-Jay said:

I use this -

MAJOR benefit is that it's KNOTTABLE

Meaning no crimps.

A double uni-knot to your line (any kind) and a simple uni-knot to the bait and I'm good.

I use an 18 inch trace at a time, and it does make a 110 run a little deeper.

But I get plenty of bass bites and don't lose the bait from being bit off.

A-Jay

 

 

For jerkbaits do you use a moderate rod as well? I know you fish a lot of smallies. I have used a moderate rod for so long that I have accuracy issues with a true fast or extra fast. I fly fish too, so that may help the accuracy with a moderate rod, which potentially should be less accurate.

[MassYak85]

Braid is fine as long as you don't have your drag set tight, the hooks are light so bigger fish need to be played. I use braid to leader on jerkbaits without any issues. But I'm using 40lb braid. 10lb is way too light IMO, even on spinning gear. If you backlash/get a wind knot you can kiss your bait goodbye.

 

My current setup for jerkbaits is 40lb Daiwa Samurai braid to either 10lb or 16lb leader depending how many toothy critters I expect to be around. 

[A-Jay]

51 minutes ago, Cgolf said:

 

For jerkbaits do you use a moderate rod as well? I know you fish a lot of smallies. I have used a moderate rod for so long that I have accuracy issues with a true fast or extra fast. I fly fish too, so that may help the accuracy with a moderate rod, which potentially should be less accurate.

Jerkbaits for me is done with Med Fast sticks for both Spinning & Casting.

Moderate rods do not work for me for jerkbaits.

A-Jay

 

[gim]

3 hours ago, Cgolf said:

Having lost too many jerkbaits to trophy class musky and some pike I still am holding out on buying these.

I've lost my fair share of lures to pike here.  More than I'd like to admit.

 

I've got about a dozen vision jerk baits and I refuse to throw them in pike infested waters for fear of losing them.  That day is probably inevitably coming though and I'll like have a stroke.

[Cgolf]

50 minutes ago, gimruis said:

I've lost my fair share of lures to pike here.  More than I'd like to admit.

 

I've got about a dozen vision jerk baits and I refuse to throw them in pike infested waters for fear of losing them.  That day is probably inevitably coming though and I'll like have a stroke.

 

You all have the trophy Muskys up there too. Nothing like watching a musky on the fringes or slightly over 50 casually swim off with your jerkbait, twice months apart. I honestly think that they are just screwing with us. I have seen a big Musky go crocodile on my wife and I and leisurely swim with its eyes out of the water past our boat. Pike at least go absolutely insane, even after or more so, when you get the lip gripper on them. A good pike bite can be a lot of fun.