Shimano spinning reels - Which are "power" reels/which are "finesse" reels ?

[Columbia Craw]

7 hours ago, A-Jay said:

This is a selection of 'Power Finesse' rigs I run from Brown Bass ~

Shimano & a couple of Diawa.

A-Jay

I counted your combos and there’s one missing.

[WRB]

The difference with power and finesse is bait casting and spinning.

Tom

[ironbjorn]

A spinning reel is a spinning reel. I like TB a lot, but in this case they're talking nonsense.

[T2DM]

7 hours ago, casts_by_fly said:

I’ve never seen this graphic before and it explains why shimano has so many overlapping price point reels. Where did you find this?

Shimano's 2022 Catalog.

6 hours ago, A-Jay said:

😂

WTH is "street fishing" ???????

A-Jay

🤣😂 I have no idea!

[bulldog1935]

also don't think all spinning reels are created equal.  

[MN Fisher]

 

[Susky River Rat]

I use mostly ultegras. Cranking, drop shot. Top water 3/8 jigs. I like how the feel and the price point. Spinners, jerk baits, pitching, bigger cranks. I use tranx 151s. 
 

could be doing it all wrong could be not. I have fun and enjoy the gear I use.

[Aquaftm45]

23 hours ago, A-Jay said:

This is a selection of 'Power Finesse' rigs I run from Brown Bass ~

Shimano & a couple of Diawa.

A-Jay

What did they call these set ups that throw normal sized lures before "power finesse" was created?

[A-Jay]

57 minutes ago, Aquaftm45 said:

What did they call these set ups that throw normal sized lures before "power finesse" was created?

Not sure who they are.

But back when every stick was glass and the only line was mono, which was like rubber rope, I had some colorful names for them.

A-Jay

[MickD]

On 12/16/2023 at 3:24 PM, A-Jay said:

Every piece of fishing gear does not need to be 'classified' or designated to be effective. 

You mean I can use my Ned rod for other lures?   Got snow up on the 45th?   🙂

[J Francho]

Not if it says "Ned" on it. 😂

[A-Jay]

55 minutes ago, MickD said:

You mean I can use my Ned rod for other lures?   Got snow up on the 45th?   🙂

Yes and oh yea.....

 

A-Jay

[waymont]

 

It doesn't look like they made it up, it's something Shimano designates their reels as.

I never heard of this either, but at least entertain that it's a correct statement. Sheesh

[bulldog1935]

@waymont Some see the forest, others climb the trees and fall out of the trees.  

[WRB]

When I was off shore salt water fishing spinning reels were non existent. Charter boats didn’t allow spinning reels on their boats because they failed often with the spools cleaning off the rod guides.

Today salt water spinning reels have evolved and getting more common. Better drag systems and stronger drive shaft components that solve yesterday’s failures when fighting  hard fast running game fish.

Design improvements today are found in some fresh water spinning reels.

Back in the day being Old School my off shore fishing used 2 speed Penn International 30 & 50  “Gold” reels for big fast hard running tuna and Marlin, can’t imagine using a spinning reel.

Tom

[bulldog1935]

@WRB Except for good drag, all the baitcast patents we expect came from 1918.   Baitcaster design is simple - spinning reel design is complicated.  

The most expensive reel ever made in current-day dollars was Hardy Altex, and owned the flip-bail patent from 1932 to 1954 (wartime patent rights extension, which most everyone ignored after 1950).  

 it really was the Space Shuttle of fishing reels

Postwar saw a manufacturing/marketing surge of cheap spinning reels aimed at common folks, along with development of better spinning reels. 

Stresses on the internal mechanism produced by long levers (spindle, rotor) were not understood in spinning reels before CAD in the last decade - everything before that was built by trial and mostly error.  Spinning reels self-destructed from their own internal mechanisms.  (The '90s is where spinning reels bottomed-out, trying to make them lighter weight, longer spindle, bigger rotor dia.) 

Even after a decade offshore, the best spinning reel made, Penn, didn't understand the contact loads on their gears.  

@garroyo130 - look again, you're mistaken.  Twin Power is the bad-boy Power reel, and Vanquish is the All-Time Finesse reel.  

As far as Shimano using the same design across their full worm-gear line - yes, and the parts interchange, but they use Different parts (MOC) in the different roles.  The cost difference is based on the MOC fabrication cost - e.g., it costs more to forge a Twin-Power rotor than cast a Stradic composite rotor, etc.

And Stradic remains the all-time best-buy in a spinning reel.  

[garroyo130]

On 12/16/2023 at 3:14 PM, bulldog1935 said:

Different leagues, Vanquish is the all-time finesse reel by any maker (C2000S), and Twin Power is the bad-boy power reel (3000MHG).  

 

 

Can't we just agree that we're all confused? Even these two reels that you posted as power and finesse are both labeled finesse by Shimano ... 

[GetFishorDieTryin]

I understand what Matt is trying to say, the context he's using is just at a price point that doesn't demonstrate his logic as well as a higher PP or even different company, particularly the JDM FC and Airity reels.  There's no question that there is a difference between the 2 styles and a spectrum that exists, which allows both kinds of reels to have similar attributes, its just as pronounced in the USDM market...yet anyway. 

   

[bulldog1935]

@GetFishorDieTryin - all fair statements.  If we want to limit to entry-level reels, TackleAdvisors admits he's a Daiwa fanboy, and like him, I would lean toward Daiwa entry level reels to get durability over in-store smoothness in Shimano's bottom-end reels (covered in his video I linked on the previous page).  At the same time, TackleAdvisors dubbed the '19 Stradic introduction, "The Best $400 Reel You Can Buy" (comparing to Exist).

If there's any way to swing a JDM Stradic, it would not be a mistake fishing through the decade.  

 

@garroyo130 I'll give you this - Twin Power XD is a different reel than Twin Power.  XD has the forged-version of the lighter-weight sculpted composite rotor used on Vanquish above.  

[GetFishorDieTryin]

8 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

@GetFishorDieTryin - all fair statements.  If we want to limit to entry-level reels, TackleAdvisors admits he's a Daiwa fanboy, and like him, I would lean toward Daiwa entry level reels to get durability over in-store smoothness in Shimano's bottom-end reels (covered in his video I linked on the previous page).  At the same time, TackleAdvisors dubbed the '19 Stradic introduction, "The Best $400 Reel You Can Buy"

If there's any way to swing a JDM Stradic, it would not be a mistake fishing through the decade.  

 

@garroyo130 I'll give you this - Twin Power XD is a different reel than Twin Power.  XD has the forged-version of the lighter-weight sculpted composite rotor used on Vanquish above.  

Yes, fair at the very least. Look at the success of the Stradic Ci4/Vanford line here in the USDM, even the color scheme has been widely copied. 

You have to take into consideration the context of the video, which was a buyers guide for a budget (200$) combo and Miravel is the only Shimano option in that price range that can be remotely considered a finesse reel. but Miravel and Nasci were the best comparison he could make that fit the criteria of the video.  

[bulldog1935]

Well, there's the rub - I'll never be in the context of that video.  

Given our OP's synopsis, that he called Nasci a Power reel - die-cast zinc main gear riding in a plastic "bushing" that's part of the frame - that videographer is loopy.  

Won't let him control 10 s of my time.  

[Aguilab1]

Coresolid = Power

 

Magnumlite = Finesse