Jdm rods ve domestic

[BassSteve]

Hey,

 

When it comes to rod power, do you think jdm made rods come in a bit underpowered for what they are rated for or pretty spot on? I heard people say a japanese heavy will probably be more like a medium heavy and a mh more like a medium etc. What are your thoughts? 

[webertime]

I don't think it's as much power that's lighter, but a case where the taper is softer.

[BassSteve]

  On 11/14/2023 at 11:45 PM, webertime said:

I don't think it's as much power that's lighter, but a case where the taper is softer.

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Like when they use terms like regular fast lol. Is that basically a fast action as we know it? or softer?

[LCG]

  On 11/14/2023 at 11:47 PM, BassSteve said:

Like when they use terms like regular fast lol. Is that basically a fast action as we know it? or softer?

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I have a MH regular action casting rod from Daiwa that I would describe as true MH power with a moderate fast tip. Slower than fast action, but faster than a moderate action. I have come to like this action. I have another more affordable Daiwa rod that's MH-F, but has a similar action. 

[BassSteve]

  On 11/15/2023 at 12:36 AM, LCG said:

I have a MH regular action casting rod from Daiwa that I would describe as true MH power with a moderate fast tip. Slower than fast action, but faster than a moderate action. I have come to like this action. I have another more affordable Daiwa rod that's MH-F, but has a similar action. 

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I'm looking at a jdm rod that is regular fast action and heavy power. I am thinking the H power is going to be more like MH lol. If the taper is forgiving enough it should allow me to fish a lot of different types of lures...that's my hope anyway. The rod I am wanting is not possible to get my hands on to check it out, it's only really sold in Japan so I have no way to try it out

[LCG]

  On 11/15/2023 at 12:47 AM, BassSteve said:

I'm looking at a jdm rod that is regular fast action and heavy power. I am thinking the H power is going to be more like MH lol. If the taper is forgiving enough it should allow me to fish a lot of different types of lures...that's my hope anyway. The rod I am wanting is not possible to get my hands on to check it out, it's only really sold in Japan so I have no way to try it out

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Out of curiosity what is the exact rod your looking at and what is the Lure/line ratings? I find this to be a good general guide as the power rating. Not heard of regular fast action, only fast and regular. I am far from an expert though

[BassSteve]

  On 11/15/2023 at 1:33 AM, LCG said:

Out of curiosity what is the exact rod your looking at and what is the Lure/line ratings? I find this to be a good general guide as the power rating. Not heard of regular fast action, only fast and regular. I am far from an expert though

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It is a Gamakatsu casting rod...only recently did I discover the hook company we all know also makes quite a few rods in Japan. This thing apparently is rated to throw 3/8oz all the way up to 2oz lures which is interesting. Line recommended is 12-25 pound, but I will probably use 10 pound. 

[LCG]

  On 11/15/2023 at 1:40 AM, BassSteve said:

It is a Gamakatsu casting rod...only recently did I discover the hook company we all know also makes quite a few rods in Japan. This thing apparently is rated to throw 3/8oz all the way up to 2oz lures which is interesting. Line recommended is 12-25 pound, but I will probably use 10 pound. 

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Interesting ... I saw a tacticlebassin YouTube video awhile back that talked about Gamakatsu rods and jdm actions in general. Based on the ratings it sounds like a true heavy power rod. Still no idea of regular fast vs fast vs regular action, but I am sure you could use Google translate to find some jdm reviews. Let us know what you find though and good luck to you.

[BassSteve]

  On 11/15/2023 at 1:45 AM, LCG said:

Interesting ... I saw a tacticlebassin YouTube video awhile back that talked about Gamakatsu rods and jdm actions in general. Based on the ratings it sounds like a true heavy power rod. Still no idea of regular fast vs fast vs regular action, but I am sure you could use Google translate to find some jdm reviews. Let us know what you find though and good luck to you.

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Yeah, it only weighs 5 ounces apparently, that's pretty light for a rod rated heavy. I am nervous and excited at the same time, this would be my first high end jdm rod purchase...I have never dropped a lot of money on a rod before so. They are high quality rods so I'm not expecting to be disappointed 

[bulldog1935]

Moderate fast tip is a good description for most Japanese rods.  

On average, they're going to have a softer tip and stouter butt for the same rating.  

They like a progressive bend in their taper, and don't like thick, heavy para tips.  

This also gives them a wider lure range.  

Works out well, because I like rods this way, also.  

[BassSteve]

  On 11/15/2023 at 2:21 AM, bulldog1935 said:

Moderate fast tip is a good description for most Japanese rods.  

On average, they're going to have a softer tip and stouter butt for the same rating.  

They like a progressive bend in their taper, and don't like thick, heavy para tips.  

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This rod is rated heavy...3/8 up to 2oz. Do you think I can get away with fishing lures in 1/4 weight without issues, or crankbaits being it has a softer taper?

[bulldog1935]

@BassSteve - that's a good question - most JDM rods cast their low-end rating extremely well.  If it's a really high-modulus graphite, maybe not, medium modulus rod will very likely cast below it's low-end rating. 

[BassSteve]

 

  On 11/15/2023 at 2:27 AM, bulldog1935 said:

@BassSteve - that's a good question - most JDM rods cast their low-end rating extremely well.  If it's a really high-modulus graphite, maybe not, medium modulus rod will very likely cast below it's low-end rating. 

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Apparently it is composed of 99% carbon fiber and 1% glass fiber so I'm not sure what this means function wise

[KP Duty]

  On 11/15/2023 at 2:34 AM, BassSteve said:

 

Apparently it is composed of 99% carbon fiber and 1% glass fiber so I'm not sure what this means function wise

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Efreet?  I'd go up a power if this is the series you are looking at.  The 7'4" XH is used for jigs by a couple of TT peeps.

[BassSteve]

  On 11/15/2023 at 3:56 PM, KP Duty said:

Efreet?  I'd go up a power if this is the series you are looking at.  The 7'4" XH is used for jigs by a couple of TT peeps.

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It says it's avenge series 

[softwateronly]

  On 11/15/2023 at 5:21 PM, BassSteve said:

It says it's avenge series 

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Gamakatsu Luxxe Avenge B68H-RF 6.8F

This one right? 

 

"The ultimate Versa Tile rod born from field this; B68H-RF 3/8-2 (0.5-57 g)PE2.5-5/12IB-25Ib; 2oz has a strong bat that is suitable for heavy action that can handle lures of class, and a tip that fits well when operating the lure. Works great with rubber jigs and Texas around the cover, as well as frogs that are focused on controllability. It is also a heavy versil tile rod that allows you to control your lures in technical big baits up to 2oz class."

 

I don't know the rod, but I'd believe that a 1/4oz wouldn't load it properly for accurate casting, especially at that shorter length there probably isn't enough real estate in the tip.  But in a pinch if you wanted short pitches at that weight, you'd make it work.  Looks real interesting and would love to hear how you like it.  I'm a fan of jdm RF action.  You can do so much.  

 

scott

 

[BassSteve]

  On 11/16/2023 at 12:55 AM, softwateronly said:

Gamakatsu Luxxe Avenge B68H-RF 6.8F

This one right? 

 

"The ultimate Versa Tile rod born from field this; B68H-RF 3/8-2 (0.5-57 g)PE2.5-5/12IB-25Ib; 2oz has a strong bat that is suitable for heavy action that can handle lures of class, and a tip that fits well when operating the lure. Works great with rubber jigs and Texas around the cover, as well as frogs that are focused on controllability. It is also a heavy versil tile rod that allows you to control your lures in technical big baits up to 2oz class."

 

I don't know the rod, but I'd believe that a 1/4oz wouldn't load it properly for accurate casting, especially at that shorter length there probably isn't enough real estate in the tip.  But in a pinch if you wanted short pitches at that weight, you'd make it work.  Looks real interesting and would love to hear how you like it.  I'm a fan of jdm RF action.  You can do so much.  

 

scott

 

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If I'm lucky that rod can handle 1/4 decently, the description says it's good for Texas rig also. I'm hoping it's more like a Mh than a true H 

[softwateronly]

  On 11/16/2023 at 1:06 AM, BassSteve said:

If I'm lucky that rod can handle 1/4 decently, the description says it's good for Texas rig also. I'm hoping it's more like a Mh than a true H 

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You sure your texas rig, weight, hook, and worm, are going to weigh less than 3/8oz?  I bet this rod excels as a big worm rod.

 

scott

[BassSteve]

  On 11/16/2023 at 1:12 AM, softwateronly said:

 

You sure your texas rig, weight, hook, and worm, are going to weigh less than 3/8oz?  I bet this rod excels as a big worm rod.

 

scott

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When I do Texas rig it usually weighs around that, if not a little bit heavier. I don't typically fish an 8 or 10 inch worm, I usually stick around a 5 or 6 inch worm. Another cool feature is the detachable handle, which apparently is common among jdm produced rods