what is a machinegun casting rod - daiwa steez machinegun casting rod

[dmiles]

i have been trying to figure out what machinegun casting is that this rod is made for.  i have been searching google and youtube, but everything is coming up with japanese language and i cant figure out how to translate.

 

what i am trying to find out is, what is machinegun casting? how is it different from normal casting?

 

https://www.daiwa.com/jp/product/detail/rod/bass_rd/steez_bait21/sub16

[Eric 26]

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[Darth-Baiter]

i translated it and was still confused.  

[dmiles]

14 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said:

i translated it and was still confused.  

i dont want to admit this, but i will. i found a youtube video with the guy that designed the rod for daiwa. it was all in japanese, but i downloaded the microsoft translator app and played it a little at a time on my laptop, while it translated it on my phone. any pause in the discussion would stop the translator, so it took a long time. also there was music in the background, and it would randomly pick up the lyrics to that. 

 

anyway, the video wasnt any help either. it was just discussing that the lv rod is for lightweight bait, spinners, and other stuff. it can also be used for a little heavier as well.  

 

the best that i can understand it from reading the 4 different translated pages plus the video, is the rod doesnt start bending from the top, it bends from the middle, so you can whip the bait out further. there are actually 4 different types of machine gun rods, and they all have that in common. the difference is just the length and strength of the rod. 

 

i cant imagine that bend of the rod would be considered a style of fishing, so really i dont think that is it, but maybe it is, and its just a marketing gimmick. in fact the translator actually translated one line to the gimmick of the rod.

 

i typed into chatgtp what is machine gun fishing and it said its the same as fan fishing. which is just to cast out to different spots from 9 to 3 on a clock face. however, that was never mentioned in any of the videos or the text in the pages. it also doesnt seem likes that would be a new style of fishing. 

 

i even asked my wife to read the translations and she said it was too technical, and didnt make any sense. that maybe i will just never know, and i told her i have to find out or it will haunt me forever. 

 

 

[Jorge D]

On 8/30/2023 at 8:02 PM, Eric 26 said:

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Any chance you could send me any information you have on all the Machine Gun Cast types? I can’t find very much information on them, mostly Japanese YouTube videos that don’t translate well. Thank you in advance. 

[Eric 26]

@Jorge D That was all I could find myself. I’m not very tech savvy but maybe if you search ways to translate the videos you may find something 🤔 Sorry I can’t be more helpful.

Edited April 29, 2024 by Eric 26
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[Jorge D]

13 minutes ago, Eric 26 said:

@Jorge D That was Al I could find myself. I’m not very tech savvy but maybe if you search ways to translate the videos you may find something 🤔 Sorry I can’t be more helpful.

No worries, not your fault. It’s hard to know exactly what they mean when translating those videos, but I’ll keep trying, haha. 

[bulldog1935]

On 8/31/2023 at 4:12 PM, dmiles said:

...the best that i can understand it from reading the 4 different translated pages plus the video, is the rod doesnt start bending from the top, it bends from the middle, so you can whip the bait out further. there are actually 4 different types of machine gun rods, and they all have that in common. the difference is just the length and strength of the rod. 

 

Yes, this is very clearly a para-taper rod.  

Smith has one in Super Strike series (actually several, but this is the only one named Machine Gun):  

Here's the load curve for the Smith Machine Gun - fast tip, more flex in mid and butt:  

We've covered the difference between para taper and progressive taper before.  In progressive taper, increasing cast weight loads a band moving progressively down the rod - this makes for a forgiving rod with wide lure-weight range.  Also, generally a longer rod - short soft tip, long fast mid, powerful butt.  Progressive is the best choice for casting light weights to distance, also for skip casting.  

In para taper, increasing cast weight loads more of the total rod length.  A shorter para rod will cast to greater distance than a progressive rod, but has a narrow lure-weight range.   Para taper also fits the classic glass short worm rods of the 70s and 80s.  Para taper strikes quicker because of the fast tip.  

I marked on these load curves showing Para and Progressive

The Japanese also call Para rods "sticky" (stick-like), and they call the soft tip of a progressive rod "berry" (as in berries at the end of a tree branch).  

All rod tapers are a blend of both, but it's accurate to say a rod taper is more-para or more-progressive.  

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

All I see is a slow action rod nothing earth shattering. Slower rods don’t store and deliver any more power or rip speed for further casts. They compensate for poor casting mechanics in the form of inconsistent release point. Conversely, fast actions have higher tip speed but are less forgiving. 

[newapti5]

Toshinari Namiki (並木敏成) is a Japanese fishing pro/celebrity. He not only helped Daiwa design rods, but also had the famous SV Light Ltd reel named after him, as well as other fishing products. The so-call "machinegun cast" comes from his fast casting style - using the momentum of the lure at the end of retrieve to cast it right away immediately. Here's a video link for it: 

 

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AlomEX5tRj4rhLNv216lLmif-1yfgQ

 

So, to serve this casting style, the so-call machinegun cast rod was born, as well as some mono line series from Sunline.