fishing youtube video question. the influencer's hookset?

[Darth-Baiter]

I kinda think some of it must be for drama.  those lean back, load up hook-sets.  maybe not so much finesse stuff, but yea.  monster hook-sets.

 

my favorite kayak dude, yanked so hard on a sponsor video, he sent the fish flying.  I think the camera man actually asked if the fish landed on land or water.  here is the question:  you all preach about proper drag setting.  some of you use a scale.   on any hard hook-set, (like the ones in the videos) the drag must slip, and all your dramatic effort is wasted.  the spool slips?.

 

do you all instinctively thumb the spool on hook-sets.  I fought a smaller fish yesterday and loosened the drag somewhat.  on the next fish, even my moderate jam, moved the spool.  

 

sorry for my very rookie question.  

 

(oh, I kinda grimaced typing out the word "influencer".  not my favorite title to use :D)

[LrgmouthShad]

Gonna be a lot of different opinions on the hard hooksets. I fish a lot of single hook baits with stouter equipment. I believe that fishing style influences my hookset, so I tend to swing hard and it's definitely not unusual for me to send a small fish flying on the hookset, especially if I'm standing. 

 

It's just what works for me and I'm not going to change. On the topic of drag, I don't thumb the spool and I don't touch the drag so sometimes the drag will slip on the hookset. That's fine to me. Usually there is still adequate pressure

[throttleplate]

want to see a heavy hookset, watch some gar fishing youtubes, we talkin 8 footers 200 plus lbs.

[Catt]

For 35+ yrs i used a Calcutta 100A with 9.5 lbs max drag, I had it set at 6 lbs. My Lew's have 20+ lbs max drag, still set at 6 lbs. Never had the drag slip on the hook set & not very many turned more than a couple spool revolution.

 

In the heavy cover down here when you set hook, you better turn that head, get it coming up, & towards you...all in one motion. 

 

Had a few tighteyes fly over my head or skied back to the boat.

[MediumMouthBass]

They do it for the drama and to seem cool, theres alot of debate on whether to do a light or a harder hookset but these "influencers" take it unnecessarily way to far. They seem like they are trying to launch the fish into outer space and apply a ridiculous amount of force and say "yeah its a 6lber" and they pull up a fish weighing 2lbs.

[ne_dan]

Depends on the tackle and the structure on how hard of a hook set you give’em.  Frogs, Superline hooks, punching give’em the beans.  Most everything else except finesse stuff a “normal” hook set will do.

 

And the YouTube hook set is all for show most of the time 

[Glenn]

Just in case anyone had questions - Keri and I do not modify our hooksets when the cameras are rolling.  Furthermore, we don't act differently in front of the cameras. What you see is what we always do.

 

Speaking of which, we always crank the drag all the way down - with the exception of crankbaits and finesse tactics - and then loosen the drag when fighting the fish.  Seems to work for us.

[ska4fun]

One of the first thing I noticed in US bass scene were these absurd hooks, and maybe the frenzied fish reeling. I ever hook fish like that when fishing Arapaimas and Tarpons, with their hardened mouths.

[flyfisher]

Many on here would be appalled by flyfisherman as a lot of warm water guys use a strip set and it works fine.  I am trying to do them more often but I am conditioned over all the years of a quick snap hookset which dos also work on many species pretty well.  Sharp hooks are as important as the set to me.

[dodgeguy]

2 hours ago, Glenn said:

Just in case anyone had questions - Keri and I do not modify our hooksets when the cameras are rolling.  Furthermore, we don't act differently in front of the cameras. What you see is what we always do.

 

Speaking of which, we always crank the drag all the way down - with the exception of crankbaits and finesse tactics - and then loosen the drag when fighting the fish.  Seems to work for us.

Exactly how I set mine.

[newapti5]

I think we had similar discussions in the forum before?  My drag is set about 3~4lb most of the time, even lower with treble hooks. If I need extra drag force during hookset, I just thumb my spool a little. 

 

If the drag is locked down, all the drag force, and the shock force during hookset, will be applied to the gear set. All that 10+lb force on those tiny teeth, it will shorten the "smoothness period" of those gears if not damage them. 

 

I don't fish grass, so there's no need for me drag the fish to the boat ASAP. Besides, heavy hookset will likely tear a big gap in fish's mouth unless it's hooked on the upper lip.

[J Francho]

Lift and separate is my motto. 

[Cbump]

Never watched a YouTube hookset so I don’t know how hard we’re talking but I do set the hook hard. And I have the drag cranked down tight. 
 

I have had too many lost fish on easy hooksets where the hook is barely through the plastic if at all. Not any more if I can help It. 
 

Also someone mentioned a quick snap hookset. That will break your line in my experience. 

[FishTank]

Very rarely do I swing for the fences on a hook set. It all depends on what rod or reel or even sometimes what line I am using.

 

For example, I have a Daiwa Emeraldas spinning reel on a G. Loomis NRX+ 821S NRR and the reel has a very slow start up and the rod is pretty light. If I whale on the fish as soon as it bites, the hook will penetrate but the drag will get stronger during a large sweeping hook set. This can be a problem with the light line I am using. If I use a light tugging action, I don't have any issues. 

 

On the opposite end of things, I have a G. Loomis 866C IMX Pro Deep Flex that I use for deep crankbaits. I need to pull hard to drive a hook home with this rod but once on it's awesome at keeping a fish pinned.

 

Another example would be the Megabass P5 Criffhanger Thrilling with a Daiwa Silver Wolf and PE #0.8 line. This thin line can almost pull out a tree stump but with the small lures and light trebles, you have to gently lay into a fish otherwise you will bend a hook out or just lose the fish in process. 

 

I always set my drag by hand based on the lb test of line I am using. Knock on wood, this has worked for me. 

 

 

[Darth-Baiter]

I would love to test drive that setup.  Cool!

[T-Billy]

6 hours ago, Catt said:

In the heavy cover down here when you set hook, you better turn that head, get it coming up, & towards you...all in one motion. 

 

Yup, and keep 'em coming. None of that lift up and reel down crap. Hit em hard and winch away. When in heavy cover, it's XH rod, 50# braid, flippin hook, BIG hookset. I lose some dinks as they're sailing over the boat on a slack line, but I don't lose many biggins when flippin/pitchin. I don't sweat the small ones.

And... I don't have a youtube channel. It's just the best way to go about it IMO.

[PaulVE64]

I fish shallow rivers for smallmouth bass. 

Hooks are almost always light wire or treble and get sharpened alot.

Hooksets are sweeps or snaps depending on how much slack I have out.

Drag is about 1.5# but I will crank it down for heavy wire hooks or if I'm after pike.

I'm not dealing with grass but a few smart ones have cut my line on rocks.

 

[Catt]

1 hour ago, newapti5 said:

Besides, heavy hookset will likely tear a big gap in fish's mouth unless it's hooked on the upper lip.

 

Mustad Needle Point, no cutting or tearing takes place.

[J Francho]

Quit fishing with hooks if you're worried about hurting them. They don't even possess that part of the brain that processes pain and equates it with an emotion that a human might have. I can't believe a bleeding heart yankee has to say these things lol. 

[Darth-Baiter]

Who’s worried about hurting them?  

[1984isNOW]

 I ain't worried Worried about hurtin no bass, I keep every one I catch anyway so it don't matter

[Fishing_Rod]

Greetings All,

Aah, the drama of the, "monster" hookset in fashion? I suppose it depends on the gear involved. The visual of a hookset using one of those broom stick jig rods vs something with a supple action like an ultra lite or even a lower weight fly rod would be dramatically different and with different results too.

 

Although I did mange to launch a small fish out of the water and into the yak over the weekend. Right now in our regional waters there are plenty of small yearling bass all over. I had one strike my curly tailed gub on a jig just as I was concluding a retrieve. I was already in progress of lifting when the little bass struck and loaded up the pole just enough for the rebound to launch it out of the water and into my lap. I was not expecting that.

 

Over the years I just couldn't get myself to really put on the, "hit it out of the park" style hook sets. Just too much to go wrong in breaking things under that level of shock loading. Understanding the limits of my gear and my style of angling is what moderates my response which is more suitable to how I angle. Your mileage may differ. 

 

Hooks have always been sharp as I've demonstrated to myself on several occasions. These days many if not all are exceptionally sharp and I continue to demonstrate that. I don't recall needing to apply a huge amount of leverage for a hookset. Also as mentioned my drag setting yields to limit how much leverage is applied. My drag is not locked, it is at a modest rod loading limit which I found to be sufficient for my applications and my location.

 

Years ago back when nanofil and spiderwire were new and readily available, I realized how well my inputs were transferred resulting in a lot of pull outs, ripped lips of sorts. There were a number of reasons compelling me to return back to using mono for my UL applications. I simply caught more fish using mono, and I attribute it to the relaxed overall system action involved. The line, the rod all in the UL category simply had more systematic give helping to keep things well connected. Pull too hard on braid and there is a direct result. You'll generally rip or break something.

 

I found a direct comparison when snagging reeds. I've got plenty of experience, sadly. When using braid you can simply rip it out of there or break something through the spirited effort. The line, hook, rod, something is going to give. This happens less to me when using mono. Yes, it is frustrating as you have to go in there to release the wayward bait. However, the lesson learned is, it all stayed connected even when thrashing about. Just my $0.02 worth of observation.

 

YouTube = Theatrical antics & performances, usually with a promotional theme of one sort or another. I simply enjoy it for the entertainment value. Then there are those that intend and do a fine job of imparting knowledge. I'm grateful to them for making information available. Keep up the good work Glen and all those associated to BR. Bravo and Well done! Cheers!

[Dye99]

For me there is two types of hooksets.

Jigs, and everything else.

[J Francho]

One of my all time favorite hook sets. No waiting, no sissy pantsing the sweep lay it to them. 
 

 

[Bluebasser86]

I swing hard with jigs and plastics. Big fish have thick mouths and it takes a good amount of force even with sharp hooks to drive through them. Treble hook baits get the sweep set since they're smaller, thinner hooks that penetrate easier.