Do you like shallow spools or do you find them inadequate?

[bulldog1935]

Back-up spool @Reel is a great idea.  

Every one of my spinning reel sizes has one back-up spool.  

Susie's 25" spec made two 50-yd runs.  

 

The second run was down the dock row, and would have cut off her 50 yds if the lodge shuttle pontoon boat had been parked at the dock next door (it was docked at the lodge across the channel).  

[ska4fun]

2 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

 

So if I’m running out should I switch back to the full spool?

I think so.

[MickD]

On 7/18/2023 at 11:29 PM, Ohioguy25 said:

How do you suppose I ran out? 

Obviously you didn't have enough line to meet your expectations.  Keep in mind that if you're using 4 carrier braids above about 15 pound test, a shallow spool just may not hold enough.  Put a premium 10 pound 8 carrier braid on it and I think you'll have plenty.   Hitena Pureline is very small, round, tough, trouble free, and I'll bet you can get the full 150 yards onto that reel.

[newapti5]

I love shallow spools for finesse fishing, no matter spinning or baitcasting reels.  Sure one could put all 300 yard of braid line on a deeper spool to save the trouble of respooling, but when the spool is only half full, the casting performance would definitely suffer, spinning or baitcasting.   

 

Like others said, if a spinning reel's casting distance and easiness matter to you, using shallow spools or backing on deep spools will keep the spool as full as possible. If not, a deep spool would be more versatile.  

[Ohioguy25]

2 hours ago, MickD said:

Obviously you didn't have enough line to meet your expectations.  Keep in mind that if you're using 4 carrier braids above about 15 pound test, a shallow spool just may not hold enough.  Put a premium 10 pound 8 carrier braid on it and I think you'll have plenty.   Hitena Pureline is very small, round, tough, trouble free, and I'll bet you can get the full 150 yards onto that reel.

Suffix 832 10 lb

[WRB]

Imo Fins Spin5 is an excellent small diameter briad and mage in Georgia USA. 15# Spin 5 is .006 dia or 25% smaller and stronger then 10# 832. 

Hanging your braid up on the bottom is angler error as braid floats, you need to learn better lure control. Try using a mono leader to help reduce snagging, FC line sinks.

I use standard spools and smaller size reels.

Tom

[MickD]

13 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Suffix 832 10 lb

You should have enough for bass fishing.  Are you sure you are filling the spool enough?  With 10 you can get pretty close to the lip without problems.  

[WRB]

The OP’s problem may be do to retyping leaders often after snagging lures and breaking off. 

Suggested filling the spool and using smaller stronger line.

Don’t recall what knot the OP uses to connect braid to leader? Blood knot, Uni to Uni, Lefty Kreh leader knot use about 6” of line tie and Alberto, Albright can use 12”.

Also don’t know high tight the braid is spooled initially?

The simple solution is buy a standard spool.

Tom

[bulldog1935]

6 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Suffix 832 10 lb

You've had several recommendations on this thread to use slightly thinner braid with twice the breaking strength.  

Sufix 832 states diameter of their 10-lb test is 0.20 mm, and as I already pointed out, their line is always slightly thicker than their reported diameter.  

 

0.185 mm (PE#1.2) Japan standard braid has a breaking strength of 24 to 27 lbs.  

More line on your spool, more than twice as strong. 

Slightly smaller PE#1, 0.165 mm dia., has a breaking strength of 20 lbs.  

hmmm - do you see the trend - maybe blaming the spool is looking the wrong way.    

[redmeansdistortion]

Most US market lines tend to be underrated as far as diameter and strength.  When buying US market braid, I like to use 6lb Berkley X9 or 5lb Power Pro which seem to be in the realm of #0.8 or #1.0 Japanese lines as far as diameter and are much stronger than what's printed on the label.  If you were to buy something like say YGK Upgrade in the #0.8 size, you'll see the true meaning of thread line. That stuff is super thin, even when compared side by side with a 2lb US market monofilament.  US market lines have rather arbitrary measurements while the Japanese stuff adheres to industry standards put forth by the JAFMTA, which is a self regulating body of line manufacturers that have agreed upon standards for line strength for a given diameter.  No such regulatory body exists here so essentially what you see on the label has no industry testing standards behind it.  This is why many lines are stronger than what's printed, mostly because the manufacturers can get away with making the line slightly thicker so it appears stronger versus competitors.

[bulldog1935]

@redmeansdistortion I have the same-frame C3000MHG spool loaded with 150m PE#1.2 and it's a perfect match - his spool is smaller diameter and lower capacity.  

 

PE#0.8 is just right for the spool capacity, but his experience fishing thicker line seems limited by line strength, toughness, and the fact that the line he's using is thicker than advertised.  Based on this chart, he can  barely get 100 yds on the spool, and it sounds like he's not filling it.   

I'm going to poo-poo your recommendation, and stick with mine.  

Since it was commercialized in 2018, Izanas X-braid has also become the standard X8 braid in Japan, whether they mark it X-braid, upgrade, etc. - Varivas, Duel, Gosen, YGK, who puts Izanas name on their box - most use the same braid, with variances in their choice of FEP coating.  

[FishTank]

I jumped on the JDM PE rated braids band wagon last year. I have tried a couple of lines from Varivas and a couple from YGK. They have all been great so far. I don't think I will ever go back to the US braids again. 

 

They are so thin that I think the key is finding the right diameter for the spool you have (spinning or casting). My only complaint is that wind can definitely throw these thin braids all over the place. 

[Ohioguy25]

On 7/24/2023 at 5:35 PM, WRB said:

The OP’s problem may be do to retyping leaders often after snagging lures and breaking off. 

Suggested filling the spool and using smaller stronger line.

Don’t recall what knot the OP uses to connect braid to leader? Blood knot, Uni to Uni, Lefty Kreh leader knot use about 6” of line tie and Alberto, Albright can use 12”.

Also don’t know high tight the braid is spooled initially?

The simple solution is buy a standard spool.

Tom

Alberto, and agreed it is 100% due to break off and retying which as you said even conservatively uses several inches of braid each time. That can be up to a foot or more every trip which adds up. I’d rather have too much than too little and be stuck using mono for finesse, that was d**n near impossible.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

On 7/23/2023 at 10:35 PM, Ohioguy25 said:

Fill which spool, shallow or reg 2500?

Whichever one you want.  If you use a deep spool just put mono backing down first, then put your braid on.  I would still use mono backing on a shallow spool, but just enough to cover the inside of the spool so the braid has something to grip on.

Try using as little braid as possible when typing the Alberto, with practice 6-8" is more then you need.  Do the same thing with the leader.  Try to use as little line as possible without compromising the quality of the knot.  

[redmeansdistortion]

5 hours ago, GetFishorDieTryin said:

I would still use mono backing on a shallow spool, but just enough to cover the inside of the spool so the braid has something to grip on.

With braid, I go four wraps around the arbor and terminate with a uni knot and cinch it down good.  The line will not slip.  I do this with all of my shallow spools.

[Ohioguy25]

11 hours ago, GetFishorDieTryin said:

Whichever one you want.  If you use a deep spool just put mono backing down first, then put your braid on.  I would still use mono backing on a shallow spool, but just enough to cover the inside of the spool so the braid has something to grip on.

Try using as little braid as possible when typing the Alberto, with practice 6-8" is more then you need.  Do the same thing with the leader.  Try to use as little line as possible without compromising the quality of the knot.  

What about electrical tape?

[TOXIC]

37 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

What about electrical tape?

Electrical tape leaves a sticky residue on your spool.  If I’m going to put any backing besides mono, I use plumbers Teflon tape.  Couple of wraps and you’re good.  

[Darth-Baiter]

what defines a shallow spool?

[GetFishorDieTryin]

4 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

What about electrical tape?

Some guys do it, but I wouldn't.  I just find its much easier to throw a turn or 2 of mono.  If you need to use tape then teflon would be the way to go.

[Ohioguy25]

On 7/27/2023 at 5:31 PM, GetFishorDieTryin said:

Some guys do it, but I wouldn't.  I just find its much easier to throw a turn or 2 of mono.  If you need to use tape then teflon would be the way to go.

I already have electrical tape on one, should I get it off and use goo gone?

[GetFishorDieTryin]

Thats up to you.  I really don't think its going to hurt anything if you choose to leave the tape on.  If you do chose to go with mono or teflon tape, Im sure you can use warm soapy water and remove the vast majority of residue with a once over.  Taking the spool off will make life a little easier if you want to lose the tape.