Do you like shallow spools or do you find them inadequate?

[Ohioguy25]

I bought a Stradic 2500 from digitaka not realizing it was shallow due to the Japanese model numbers.  

At first I figured no problem I can use for my finesse setup, but today when I ran out of braid I quickly changed my mind. What exactly is the advantage of these?

[Fishin Dad]

I love them.  My favorite spinning reel right now is the Daiwa Tatula 3000 CXH.   I don’t want to mess around with filler line on a reel.  I cannot cast 150 yards, so I don’t need the capacity.  I usually use 10 lb. Braid to a fluoro leader.  
I even like shallow spools on my baitcasters for certain techniques.  Same logic behind it.  I need more capacity on a reel when using 20 lb. Fluoro, so I don’t use them for those techniques.  

[Ohioguy25]

15 minutes ago, Fishin Dad said:

I love them.  My favorite spinning reel right now is the Daiwa Tatula 3000 CXH.   I don’t want to mess around with filler line on a reel.  I cannot cast 150 yards, so I don’t need the capacity.  I usually use 10 lb. Braid to a fluoro leader.  
I even like shallow spools on my baitcasters for certain techniques.  Same logic behind it.  I need more capacity on a reel when using 20 lb. Fluoro, so I don’t use them for those techniques.  

How do you suppose I ran out? 

[PhishLI]

1 hour ago, Ohioguy25 said:

At first I figured no problem I can use for my finesse setup, but today when I ran out of braid I quickly changed my mind.

What size braid are you using and what bait were you throwing to empty the spool?

 

20 minutes ago, Fishin Dad said:

My favorite spinning reel right now is the Daiwa Tatula 3000 CXH.

I have the same reel. It's impossible to run out of 15lb braid on a cast with a 7' rod. Not even close.

[Ohioguy25]

8 hours ago, PhishLI said:

What size braid are you using and what bait were you throwing to empty the spool?

 

I have the same reel. It's impossible to run out of 15lb braid on a cast with a 7' rod. Not even close.

10 lb Suffix, Ned rig 

[Fishin Dad]

8 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

How do you suppose I ran out? 

I am not sure.  Maybe a JDM reel has an even shallower spool than the Tatula.   I haven’t ever felt like I don’t have enough line on mine.  

[Pat Brown]

Baitcasters, I like shallower spools but I don't like the super shallow BFS spools.

 

Main reason is it saves me money on line and I hate backing.

 

With bass I've never had a bass come close to spooling me but I er on the side of heavier line and winching and lean on my drag a lot less than some folks.

 

With spinning rods I'm the opposite.

 

Gimme as deep a spool as I can find I want to bomb that bait out there.

 

I use as light line and hooks as I can get away with and use my drag liberally because thats usually what works for those techniques.

 

I haven't caught a LMB on a spinning rod this summer.

 

I have only caught them on plastics and jigs, frogs and bigger crank baits at my home lakes.  Caught one on a popper but they seemed to wise up to that fast this year.

[Cbump]

I like them. I don’t bomb cast most techniques. 
I had the same reel as you and don’t see how you ran out of 10lb Braid on a ned rig. 

[PhishLI]

1 hour ago, Cbump said:

I like them. I don’t bomb cast most techniques. 
I had the same reel as you and don’t see how you ran out of 10lb Braid on a ned rig. 

If the spool is full, it's impossible unless he's using a 1 oz ned head and a 9' rod.

[SnaggedAgain]

17 hours ago, Fishin Dad said:

I don’t want to mess around with filler line on a reel.  I cannot cast 150 yards, so I don’t need the capacity.

I bought a shallow spool last year to replace the stock spool on my Tatula LT2500, it is paired up to my dedicated small creek wading rod. I'm not usually bombing casts on this setup on these smaller creeks so I don't need a massive spool of line, but that was mostly just myself trying to justify buying a trick spool, whatever you gotta do ?

[Ohioguy25]

On 7/19/2023 at 9:06 AM, Cbump said:

I like them. I don’t bomb cast most techniques. 
I had the same reel as you and don’t see how you ran out of 10lb Braid on a ned rig. 

 

On 7/19/2023 at 10:16 AM, PhishLI said:

If the spool is full, it's impossible unless he's using a 1 oz ned head and a 9' rod.

6’10” MLXF St Croix LTB.  You don’t get snagged often on a Ned rig? Hell I have to retie several times almost every trip, and I use EWG hooks.

[Cbump]

Thought you meant you were casting It all off.
When I snag It breaks at the fc leader though so I don’t lose line. 

[Ohioguy25]

22 minutes ago, Cbump said:

Thought you meant you were casting It all off.
When I snag It breaks at the fc leader though so I don’t lose line. 

Yeah I guess I’ve just broken off enough that it has gotten low inch by inch. I break off fluro too but once it gets under 2 ft I cut and retie.

[Cbump]

How long is your leader? 

[GetFishorDieTryin]

Fill the spool and tie 10-12" leaders.  Avoid using palomars.

Suffix is on the thicker side, try a thinner PE and go to #8.  You would be surprised at how much pressure it takes to break it.

[WRB]

10# Suffix braid is .008 dia, Fins Spin5 10# braid is .004 dia, problem solved!

Tom

[Darth-Baiter]

I’m anal enough to walk my spool empty on a high school football field purely out of curiosity.  Super curious how much line you have spooled up. 

[Eric 26]

@Ohioguy25 & @WRB I’m not trying to start trouble but what difference does it make with the .008 diameter. The Suffix website says the 10 pound braid is equivalent to 4pound monofilament diameter and the shallow spool 2500 Stradic is listed at 110 meters of 5 pound monofilament which is the equivalent of 120.297 yards at again 5pound monofilament which means the 4pound equivalent should be at least another 10 yards at least? Im not sure how you’re casting anything let alone a Ned rig that far or what kind of monster Bass you’re capable of catching that you’re spooling that reel.

[WRB]

Instead of believing what diameter equivalent is look at what diameter the line actually is. Who knows what mono line is being referred to ? Plus at what spool fill is Full? Most anglers only fill the spool to within 1/8” of full, add another 1/16” from  the rim and line starts to fall off the spool. 

.004 is 50% smaller the .008 or 50% more line.

Tom

[Ohioguy25]

On 7/20/2023 at 12:32 PM, Cbump said:

How long is your leader? 

6-8 ft

On 7/21/2023 at 6:11 PM, GetFishorDieTryin said:

Fill the spool and tie 10-12" leaders.  Avoid using palomars.

Suffix is on the thicker side, try a thinner PE and go to #8.  You would be surprised at how much pressure it takes to break it.

Fill which spool, shallow or reg 2500?

On 7/21/2023 at 8:01 PM, WRB said:

10# Suffix braid is .008 dia, Fins Spin5 10# braid is .004 dia, problem solved!

Tom

Is this brand significantly better? Do you prefer a shallow spool for finesse tactics?

On 7/22/2023 at 10:08 PM, Eric 26 said:

@Ohioguy25 & @WRB I’m not trying to start trouble but what difference does it make with the .008 diameter. The Suffix website says the 10 pound braid is equivalent to 4pound monofilament diameter and the shallow spool 2500 Stradic is listed at 110 meters of 5 pound monofilament which is the equivalent of 120.297 yards at again 5pound monofilament which means the 4pound equivalent should be at least another 10 yards at least? Im not sure how you’re casting anything let alone a Ned rig that far or what kind of monster Bass you’re capable of catching that you’re spooling that reel.

I’m not running out on a cast ? I fish a Rocky river and break off enough that I’ve apparently run out.

[bulldog1935]

My experience filling spools, Sufix 832 is always thicker than the reported diameter.  (Japan X-braids tend to be thinner than reported diameter).  

On 7/18/2023 at 9:23 PM, Ohioguy25 said:

... What exactly is the advantage of these?

The advantage is perfectly flat line lay and a perfectly full spool for max cast distance.  

(Deeper spools add up greater total line lay error as you fill them)

This is 6-lb 832 on a C2000S(HG) spool - and the empty spool.  

 

[ska4fun]

Love them. Even in light trolling gear. I hate to use backing line.

 

[Ohioguy25]

2 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

My experience filling spools, Sufix 832 is always thicker than the reported diameter.  (Japan X-braids tend to be thinner than reported diameter).  

The advantage is perfectly flat line lay and a perfectly full spool for max cast distance.  

(Deeper spools add up greater total line lay error as you fill them)

This is 6-lb 832 on a C2000S(HG) spool - and the empty spool.  

 

 

31 minutes ago, ska4fun said:

Love them. Even in light trolling gear. I hate to use backing line.

 

So if I’m running out should I switch back to the full spool?

[bulldog1935]

@Ohioguy25 if you're asking me, you should switch lines and fill up your spool.  

Check out Varivas US website or Amazon store.  Their same diameter will be 20-lb test, so you can go smaller.  

If you want to fish mono/fluoro, pick a deep spool - the line lay error that adds up stacking threadline won't show up.  

Different reel, this is a Tica worm-drive.  

 

On the right will fish, but you can see the hourglass, and it's properly backed with heavy braid.  

[Reel]

Bring a spare spool of line with you and refill it up.  

 

As was said, shallow spool reels offer a harder base ( metal ) for line lay and because of the few rows of  braid there is no dig in and you get better distance and control.  I like them.