IPT Increase with Larger Reel Handle Upgrade

[DEPS_250]

Obviously, it does not take a rocket scientist to know that your inches per turn will increase if you upgrade to a longer reel handle. The part I am confused on...How much is the increase usually? Is the increase minimal/barely noticeable? 

 

I want to upgrade my reel with a longer handle in order to get a somewhat noticeable speed increase. I want to upgrade the 90mm handle on a 34" IPT Daiwa Tatula to a 105mm handle. That would be a 15mm/0.60in increase in handle length. How many inches per turn would my reel end up being with the handle upgrade? I was hoping I could get close to a 35-36" IPT by going with the 105mm handle. 

 

Obviously its going to depend on a lot of variables like the length of the handle, the diameter of the spool, how much line you have left at the end of your cast and your line's diameter. But, I was just curious as to what the numbers might be like and if someone in here has tested it already and can give me some ball park numbers/estimates off the top of their head.

[garroyo130]

I'm no rocket surgeon but doesnt 1 turn with a short handle = 1 turn with a long handle? 

 

Handle turns once, spool turns 6.2 or 7.4 or 8.5 or however many times. A turn of a longer handle is still only 1 turn. 

[Team9nine]

6 minutes ago, DEPS_250 said:

The part I am confused on...How much is the increase usually? Is the increase minimal/barely noticeable?

 

Ummm...the answer is zero (0), so I'd say 'minimal/barely noticeable' is a fair assessment  One revolution of the handle is still just one revolution, regardless of how long the handle or length of travel. Tape a 12" ruler to one arm of the reel handle and then turn it one revolution using the ruler end and remeasure your IPT.

[WRB]

Inch per turn is inch per turn regardless of the reel handle length.

Longer handle increases your leverage to turn the handle, doesn’t increase speed.

Tom

[DEPS_250]

3 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

I'm no rocket surgeon but doesnt 1 turn with a short handle = 1 turn with a long handle? 

 

Handle turns once, spool turns 6.2 or 7.4 or 8.5 or however many times. A turn of a longer handle is still only 1 turn. 

Ok I get it. I never looked at it from that perspective/way before. Would that make line diameter and the length of your cast the most important variables to what your actual speeds/IPT is going to feel like? 

[Tennessee Boy]

If you have confidence in a longer handle then you may crank faster.  Same difference.?

[Big Hands]

If anything, in spite of the IPT of the reel remaining constant regardless of handle length, a longer reel handle will tend to slow your retrieve speed because you will have to move the knob further to complete one revolution of the handle due to the increase in circumference.

[WRB]

IPT and or gear ratio have zero to do with casting distance.

Lots other factors come into play regarding casting distance, number 1 is the rod, the lure weight and it’s aerodynamic or resistance going through air. The reel plays a part in how light weight the spool is, line capacity and friction resistance. The line is another factor as smaller diameter line with low friction coming off the spool affects casting distance.

Gear ratio is fixed to the reel handle where 8:1 = 8 full revolution per each full 360 degree turn. How many inches of line a spool holds is based on line capacity, how many inches of line at 1 full revolution depends on the spool diameter at the line level, circumference. ie; Pi ( 3.14159) X Diameter. 1 1/2” diameter of spooled line 1 full turn = 4.7” of line. 1” spool diameter = 3.1 inches of line. As the spool of line decreases after you cast the IPT decreases. 8:1 gear ratio 1 1/2” dia IPT = 37.7”. Same gear ratio 8:1 with 1” dia , IPT = 25”. 

Tom

[GetFishorDieTryin]

For me, a longer handle makes it a little easier to take up slack quickly before a hookset, compared to a short handle.  With a short handle it feels like it takes a little more time for me to get going, but I feel like I have a faster sustained retrieve speed compared to a longer handle.

IMO youre over thinking it.  As long as you aren't dumping close to the entire spool on the cast, line capacity and line dia arent going to make a significant difference.  

[dave]

I upgrade to longer handles because it just feels better to me.  

[bulldog1935]

A reel is a gearbox.  IPT is constant. 

What the reel does is reduce torque into speed - you're the motor.  

 

But a longer handle has the effect of SLOWING the reel, not speeding it up.  Because your hand is traveling farther to make one turn.  You are increasing torque with a longer handle and can keep the reel turning against stronger fish. 

You also gain lure finesse.  

I know of people who put a long handle on a low-geared reel and couldn't keep up with charging fish.  

 

If you want the effect of speeding up the reel, you put on a SHORTER handle.  

                                                 

The shorter handle winds faster because you use more wrist and less arm when you wind.  (you may have to pump the rod to gain line against a strong fish)

Selah.  

[ska4fun]

Longer handle - more torque

Smaller handle - more speed, but the ipt keeps the same.

[Basswhippa]

When the Shimano Calcutta csme our around 1991, it had a multi length handle.  One short side and one long side. Brilliant  because you could pick your speed and effort.  This feature was discontinued within a year.

[WRB]

IPT isn’t a constant because the circumference changes as line comes off or back onto the spool. Today’s size 100 casting reels have narrower small diameter spool with line capacity about 100 yards of 12 lb mono. A 40 yard cast reduces IPT nearly 40% , not insignificant. Smaller diameter reduces the the IPT loss, 1 reason BFS casting reels have shallow spools with very small diameter braid.

Tom 

[Cbump]

I wonder how much the fish care if a lure is coming in at 30” per turn vs 25” per turn?

[Mike L]

Sometimes it can make all the difference regardless of what you’re doin especially if you’re reeling at faster clip
 

 

 

Mike

[bulldog1935]

if your presentation is more natural and you feel more subtle touch, it makes all the difference to both you and the fish.  

 

 @Cbump TSL Grasswalker - neutral density subsurface dog-walker.  Everybody is going to have their own sweet spot, but matching the rod length, action, and line pick-up affects how many fish buy into this lure.  You can tune your personal sweet spot with handle length.  

This thread (and this topic in general) has more wrong answers than any other in the history of BR

[Cbump]

The majority of my fishing im moving the lure with my Rod and using the reel to pick up line. 
I don’t know the ipt of one reel I own and I catch a whole lot of fish. General rule of thumb for me is a fast reel for picking up line and a slower reel for winding baits.
The minute I start worrying about the ipt at the end of my cast, then 1/4 of the way in on the retrieve thinking ok, I’m now getting 2” more per turn, and then halfway in thinking heck yeah, this is It right here, I’m getting 5” more per turn than I did 20’ ago…etc. yeah that’s the minute fishing stops being fun for me. 
 

If this is your thing, that’s awesome for you. But you’re not going to convince me that It matters that much. 
 

I also wonder if ska would actually talk to any of us to our faces the way he does in every single thread on the Internet. Highly doubt It. 

[gim]

3 minutes ago, Cbump said:

I don’t know the ipt of one reel I own

I don't know any of mine either.  And I'll be perfectly honest, I don't really care.

 

I've got some newer BC reels with bigger handles and what I can say is that I prefer them over the smaller ones because they're just easier to grip.  I fish a fair amount in the rain and big, grippy handles are a bonus.  The Shimano SLX reel I bought last March has noticeably large paddles on it compared to some other older models I have.

[ska4fun]

4 hours ago, Cbump said:

The majority of my fishing im moving the lure with my Rod and using the reel to pick up line. 
I don’t know the ipt of one reel I own and I catch a whole lot of fish. General rule of thumb for me is a fast reel for picking up line and a slower reel for winding baits.
The minute I start worrying about the ipt at the end of my cast, then 1/4 of the way in on the retrieve thinking ok, I’m now getting 2” more per turn, and then halfway in thinking heck yeah, this is It right here, I’m getting 5” more per turn than I did 20’ ago…etc. yeah that’s the minute fishing stops being fun for me. 
 

If this is your thing, that’s awesome for you. But you’re not going to convince me that It matters that much. 
 

I also wonder if ska would actually talk to any of us to our faces the way he does in every single thread on the Internet. Highly doubt It. 

I would love to do it. Rest assured!

[WRB]

Recovering line fast after making a long cast comes in play getting a good hook set as the reel moves far line then a rod does and keep control of the bass you hooked. Slack line causes more lost bass and undetected strikes then all other factors combined.

Tom

[papajoe222]

As others have said, one turn is one turn and the IPT doesn’t change because the handle length has. That and the fact that the IPT does change throughout the retrieve tells you that the actual number is a reference for determining the actual speed of the reel rather than using the gear ratio.  I only used 6.3:1 geared reels for years and just reeled faster or slower adjust the lure’s speed. 

[GRiver]

I use higher IPT for fishing areas with small strike zones, work the area, then retrieve the lure for recast. That and topwater, my action there is the rod, I use higher IPT to take up the slack. 
I use mid 6 for crank baits, I feel most people have a natural cadence to cranking a reel, you know a comfort speed. My thought on that was to match my speed to that of the reel and lure.

Now I’ve been wrong many times before in my life, but this seems to work for me.

[MickD]

I once tried to use an old Pflueger Supreme for sentimentality and found that the very small crank radius was something I just couldn't get used to.  Quite surprising, and I don't know exactly why, but it just wouldn't work well enough to allow use of the reel.