Super User Maxximus Redneckus Posted July 16, 2023 Super User Posted July 16, 2023 BFS Is just a fad IMO.....nothing will ever cast a 1/32 jig better then a ultra light whippy rod with 2 lb ine then a tiny spinning reel....and BIG bluegill along with big bass will absolutely smash a j 11 rapala or 1/4 oz spinnerbait with a med action baitcaster and 10 lb line...BFS is a selling point IMO 2
PBBrandon Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 Some people like it, some people don’t. I’ve never really tried it, but I see no reason to personally. To each their own. 3
Super User bowhunter63 Posted July 16, 2023 Super User Posted July 16, 2023 You could be right but according to I Cast they say it’s here to stay. I use a spinning rod for light finesse fishing. But I grew up in the north so it was required I guess . Todays spinning outfits can handle anything we can throw at them 1
Super User Bird Posted July 16, 2023 Super User Posted July 16, 2023 I throw a lot of finesse 1/16 - 1/8 and skip a lot so spinning seems like the viable option but may need to keep an open mind.
optimator Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 I was against it for years. Then I got bored and figured I’d try it. It’s a blast. 1
KP Duty Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 I think bfs is peaking right now and will level off, but is here to stay. Most bass fisherman don't go lower than 6lb line/3.5g bait, and the finesse casters available can do that pretty well. 1
Super User Maxximus Redneckus Posted July 16, 2023 Author Super User Posted July 16, 2023 My 1500c and morrum 1600s cast light baits as well its all about the rod anyhow ..i find it fun to catch fish regardless but big fish(relative term) big baits ..i catch more big bluegill with 1/4 oz jigs then 1/32 and can cover more water ..im aware small lures can catch record size fish of any species.just imo consistency is more important....do i want to catch 50 ...5 oz bluegill or 10 2 lb bluegill..i dont need bfs to do either one..lol
Super User FishTank Posted July 16, 2023 Super User Posted July 16, 2023 I out fished my buddy last week 24 to 1. All of my fish except one were caught on BFS gear, 5lb test FC, and 4-5g lures. I caught these two this week at my local pond, also on BFS gear with the same lures. This "trend" has been around a lot longer than people think and it's here to stay. 8
GetFishorDieTryin Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 No, its not going to go away. I really don't even think its peaked quite yet. I dont think its going to replace spinning gear, but its just a really fun alternative. The biggest market will likely be the guys who wet wade streams for trout and smallmouth. 2
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted July 16, 2023 Super User Posted July 16, 2023 21 minutes ago, FishTank said: I out fished my buddy last week 24 to 1. All of my fish except one were caught on BFS gear, 5lb test FC, and 4-5g lures. I caught these two this week at my local pond, also on BFS gear with the same lures. This "trend" has been around a lot longer than people think and it's here to stay. How exciting was that fish fight?
Super User GreenPig Posted July 16, 2023 Super User Posted July 16, 2023 Fad? No. But I ain't playing until my big swimbaits are too much for me to cast. 3
MediumMouthBass Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 BFS does seem really cool, but its definitely not for everyone, including me. When i fish 90% of my lures and baits are well over 1/2oz but i will go up to 6oz (i like to throw big heavy baits for big heavy bass) but sometimes i fish lighter stuff but when i say light i mean 1/8oz to 1/4oz. So to spend over $200 on just a reel when i could get a spinning rod and reel for under $80 that will throw the same baits isnt for me. That being said i think its cool and is popular, but i dont think its as popular as it could be if it were more affordable to get into. People like myself dont usually fish the lighter stuff for bass and therefor cant justify the price, but if it were more budget friendly (or priced like regular reels are) i think it would gain alot more support and popularity. 2
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 Reel manufacturers were late to the party as a whole when it comes to BFS so I don’t see the popularity of it being due to them. The Daiwa Pixy and subsequent Pixilla mods are the first examples of lighter than traditional bait casting rigs that I remember. I don’t remember the term BFS applied to them then. There are probably others especially from Japan. Anglers are a varied group: hard core, tournament, weekend warriors, casual, multi species, tackle enthusiasts and more. I’ve said before, I personally enjoy mastering different types of tackle. For me, it adds to the overall experience. 3
redmeansdistortion Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 BFS isn't about ultralight fishing. On this side of the world it's the norm to equate it with parabolic ultralight and light spinning rods because that's all we have to go by. It doesn't help that most American YouTubers are clouding the waters trying to cast chicken feathers. BFS rods are designed around progressive taper fly blanks; a limber tip with a stout backbone meant for light line and big fish. They are not the same as your usual light spinning rods. It originated in the 1980s to fish trout in both mountain streams as well as steelhead and salmon in the bigger rivers around Japan. The idea was to use light line for big fish with a shallow spool capable of throwing lighter baits for wary fish. The progressive taper of the rod better protects the lighter lines used. In Japan, BFS typically occupies the ultralight to medium light and sometimes even medium or medium heavy power range with baits going up into the 20g+ range. Most of the trout fishermen are fishing minnow baits in the 4g to 7g+ range on thread line braid with a light leader. The salmon and steelhead guys are fishing baits flirting with an ounce to cope with faster water. The commonality they all have is fishing light line on a shallow spool with a progressive taper rod. That is BFS. Only here does it get equated with ultralight spinning tackle. 3
ska4fun Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 Dude even know what is power and action, and what to argue about BFS? BFS come from the mid 70's when people started to mod round reels to throw lighter trout spoons, since baitcasters would work them better than spinning gear, by the higher speed/ipt. Concerning rod action, if one wants to see how were the first bfs-focused ones, just look for trout ones, from the early 80s. The Daiwa Pixy and the the Conquest 50 Shallow Special are the first true BFS reels, released, if I'm not wrong, in the same year, 2005. There were ''proto-bfs'' ones before, like the Calcutta/Conquest 50/50B/XT series, Abu Garcia Morrun... 3 hours ago, redmeansdistortion said: BFS isn't about ultralight fishing. On this side of the world it's the norm to equate it with parabolic ultralight and light spinning rods because that's all we have to go by. It doesn't help that most American YouTubers are clouding the waters trying to cast chicken feathers. BFS rods are designed around progressive taper fly blanks; a limber tip with a stout backbone meant for light line and big fish. They are not the same as your usual light spinning rods. It originated in the 1980s to fish trout in both mountain streams as well as steelhead and salmon in the bigger rivers around Japan. The idea was to use light line for big fish with a shallow spool capable of throwing lighter baits for wary fish. The progressive taper of the rod better protects the lighter lines used. In Japan, BFS typically occupies the ultralight to medium light and sometimes even medium or medium heavy power range with baits going up into the 20g+ range. Most of the trout fishermen are fishing minnow baits in the 4g to 7g+ range on thread line braid with a light leader. The salmon and steelhead guys are fishing baits flirting with an ounce to cope with faster water. The commonality they all have is fishing light line on a shallow spool with a progressive taper rod. That is BFS. Only here does it get equated with ultralight spinning tackle. Where I can get info about this supposedly heavier duty BFS? 1
GRiver Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 I think BFS is here to stay….. it actually has been here. We just called them ultralights back in the day…..I guess they still do, BFS = bait caster Ultralight = spinning rig i actually bought one, was going on a trip, wanted a telescopic bait caster combo (cheap one) it came with a BFS spool. It did allow me to have both rigs in one kinda deal. I hardly use now that I’m home, will just grab my spinning rig if I want to fish ultralight ….. or BFS as it’s called now. 1
Susky River Rat Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 Just another tool in the shed. I already bring to many rods and want one more. A BFS is not in the cards for that. I am just lazy and don’t like retying stuff. 1
suzuki2903 Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 Spinning still works well and I haven’t seen any of the pro’s using bfs gear either but maybe I’ve just not followed close enough. 1
redmeansdistortion Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 4 hours ago, ska4fun said: Where I can get info about this supposedly heavier duty BFS? Browse Japanese sites, Google translate will come in handy. I own a Major Craft Finetail 7'2" MH rated for 0.6-1.0 PE and 5-21g. It's a finesse rod for mainstream trout and salmon. The line ratings are right in line with the smaller offerings meant for mountain stream trout. 5
Super User BrianMDTX Posted July 16, 2023 Super User Posted July 16, 2023 My birthday is in September. I looked at Kistler’s website today and saw their Hunt BFS rods are available to pre-order and will be available in September. Hmm-m-m…
ska4fun Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 9 hours ago, redmeansdistortion said: Browse Japanese sites, Google translate will come in handy. I own a Major Craft Finetail 7'2" MH rated for 0.6-1.0 PE and 5-21g. It's a finesse rod for mainstream trout and salmon. The line ratings are right in line with the smaller offerings meant for mountain stream trout. I know the rod, but it seems more like a non-bfs trout/stream rod, like the Anglo ones.
Super User bulldog1935 Posted July 16, 2023 Super User Posted July 16, 2023 @Stale KracKer you're wrong. Holy cow, you own a 1500C - what's that about (rhetorical). (and so is @Cbump who's been asking me about salt finesse) BFS has been here since the 30s - just didn't have the name until 2000. Just because you didn't know about it doesn't make it new and faddish. The name is already 23 years old. The trend is already 40 years old with a 90+ year history. https://www.bassresource.com/fishing/finesse-101.html 5
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