PTasker15 Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 While I know I could use 8lb mono or something like 10/15 braid to leader, I would be interested in straight fluoro. I only throw sinking and moving baits like wacky, weightless texas/ very very lightweight texas, shakey head, small paddletail swimbaits, and small spinners. Would 8lb fluoro be good for working these? What's y'alls opinions on the matters. Quote
optimator Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 A couple of years ago I went braid to leader on my spinning setups. I don’t see myself ever going back. 4 Quote
Super User AlabamaSpothunter Posted July 5, 2023 Super User Posted July 5, 2023 Yes, just use supple high end Fluoro, I use 8lb Invizx for exactly the things you listed. 3 Quote
looking45 Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 6# would be a better for the techniques you’re going to use. If your fishing open water, 4# would be even better. Don’t be afraid of the light line. Fish it with a matching rod and reel and learn to use the drag. Even smaller fish on light line are a blast YMMV Quote
Justinfish Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 What’s your reasoning for wanting to go straight fluoro on spinning? Quote
PTasker15 Posted July 6, 2023 Author Posted July 6, 2023 56 minutes ago, looking45 said: 6# would be a better for the techniques you’re going to use. If your fishing open water, 4# would be even better. Don’t be afraid of the light line. Fish it with a matching rod and reel and learn to use the drag. Even smaller fish on light line are a blast YMMV I know and I pulled in a nearly 7 pounder this weekend on the 6lb mono. But the 6lb mono feels very skectchy when setting the hook on a texas rig or shakey head. Plus trying to keep that girl from running into weeds and brush was difficult, luckily she ran to open water and I worked her down after two minutes. 13 minutes ago, Justinfish said: What’s your reasoning for wanting to go straight fluoro on spinning? Just thought It would be a bit simpler than braid-leader. I've done braid to leader for about a year and switched back to straight fluoro and mono. I retie often since I only have a couple rods which perform many tasks and having to retie my leader after 3 changes got pretty annoying. Plus the price of nicer braid and nicer fluoro as well is a bit cumbersome on my budget initially. Nearly $50. 1 hour ago, AlabamaSpothunter said: Yes, just use supple high end Fluoro, I use 8lb Invizx for exactly the things you listed. How's P-line? ever use it 1 hour ago, optimator said: A couple of years ago I went braid to leader on my spinning setups. I don’t see myself ever going back. I might. I've had good experience with braid on spinning gear, but poor on casting. Plus as mentioned in my other reply, Nicer braid + fluoro would put a dent in my budget plus having to retie my leader sucked. 1 Quote
Super User AlabamaSpothunter Posted July 6, 2023 Super User Posted July 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, PTasker15 said: I know and I pulled in a nearly 7 pounder this weekend on the 6lb mono. But the 6lb mono feels very skectchy when setting the hook on a texas rig or shakey head. Plus trying to keep that girl from running into weeds and brush was difficult, luckily she ran to open water and I worked her down after two minutes. Just thought It would be a bit simpler than braid-leader. I've done braid to leader for about a year and switched back to straight fluoro and mono. I retie often since I only have a couple rods which perform many tasks and having to retie my leader after 3 changes got pretty annoying. Plus the price of nicer braid and nicer fluoro as well is a bit cumbersome on my budget initially. Nearly $50. How's P-line? ever use it I might. I've had good experience with braid on spinning gear, but poor on casting. Plus as mentioned in my other reply, Nicer braid + fluoro would put a dent in my budget plus having to retie my leader sucked. Yeah PLine is fantastic stuff, just not what I like for finesse applications.....very strong and abrasion resistant, but large diameter and not nearly as supple as Invizx or Sniper 1 Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted July 6, 2023 Super User Posted July 6, 2023 2 hours ago, AlabamaSpothunter said: Yes, just use supple high end Fluoro, I use 8lb Invizx for exactly the things you listed. Another vote for 8 lb. InvizX or a similar high end finesse fluorocarbon if you go that route. My PB flathead of 44 lbs and change was caught on a shakey head fished on spinning gear with 8 lb InvizX. 2 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted July 6, 2023 Super User Posted July 6, 2023 Another vote for the InvisZ - that's what's on my wacky/neko rig. Though if you can afford it - upgrade to Tatsu. Don't forget the KVD...it really does make a difference. 1 Quote
Super User islandbass Posted July 6, 2023 Super User Posted July 6, 2023 If you didn’t like the stretch of mono, then you’re not going to like the stretch of fluoro. Also, not all fluoros are equal. Some are limp in the lighter side (8# and less) and others wirey and stiff in those same strengths. I can tell you that invizx is limp to me and that is what I want when it’s on a spinning reel. And personally, I like the stretch of mono in my lighter and finesse stuff. While fluoro stretches like mono, it can be less resilient, meaning it might not bounce back to its original length and remain stretched and possibly weakened. May you not think grass is greener with fluoro because of stretch. I only know of and use invizx if I decide to treat myself (it’s price is a bit off putting when you fish rip rap as I can go thru a lot of line from break offs) to using it and I only use it on my 2500 or smaller reels in 6# test. Therefore I can’t speak to 8#. I bought 6# basix and so far I am very impressed and pleased with it. 1 Quote
Obi_Wan Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 I prefer 6# mono, but I use 8# mono for these rigs in Canada and same for jerkbaits in Canada. My brother uses 6# Stren magnathin for everything. Neither of us have lost a bait to a walleye or smallie on these rigs. Just Northerns seems to slash through. I have had so much luck with this, that I’ve downsized all my line options to smaller test than I used to use. Quote
Justinfish Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 3 hours ago, PTasker15 said: Just thought It would be a bit simpler than braid-leader. I've done braid to leader for about a year and switched back to straight fluoro and mono. I retie often since I only have a couple rods which perform many tasks and having to retie my leader after 3 changes got pretty annoying. Plus the price of nicer braid and nicer fluoro as well is a bit cumbersome on my budget initially. Nearly $50. If you want simpler just ditch the leader all together or tie longer leaders with braid. Like islandbass said, if you don’t like the stretch with mono it’s not gonna change much with fluoro. Not sure what line you’re buying for $50, but a 150 yard spool of power pro can be had for around $15 and will a few seasons without issues Quote
Captain Phil Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 When you are talking finesse, line stretch is not such a bad thing. In fact, it might save you from losing a big fish. I use 8 pound Maxima mono on my spinning tackle and it has served me well. Mono lays on the reel well. It's supple and casts without jumping into coils. If your mono misbehaves, you probably aren't loading it right on the spool. Years ago, I learned to flip my bail over by hand. This action alone will stop big line tangles. I am not against new line technology, but I see no need to reinvent something that works. 2 Quote
thunderblack Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 8 lb would be fine. I have fished spinners almost exclusively and love fireline and Jbraid to a fluoro leader. Smoother castings, less issues, great sensitivity. You can also go down in size. 4 or even 6 lb superline is incredibly strong. Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted July 6, 2023 Global Moderator Posted July 6, 2023 I have 8 lb basix on a spinning reel and like it for fluke and worm fishing. 6 lb mono will always be my favorite tho Quote
PourMyOwn Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 13 hours ago, AlabamaSpothunter said: Yes, just use supple high end Fluoro, I use 8lb Invizx for exactly the things you listed. I'm not a fluoro guy, and one major reason is that I used Berkeley Vanish when it first came out. The good stuff really makes a difference. 1 Quote
DaubsNU1 Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 12 hours ago, optimator said: A couple of years ago I went braid to leader on my spinning setups. I don’t see myself ever going back. ^^ Same! ^^ About a month ago I back-hooked a carp...it was 20+lbs for sure...lots of fight in him...he ended up throwing my lure. My set up was medium light spinning rod, 10lb PowerPro yellow braid, Alberto knot, to 8lb fluoro. Held strong. Quote
Super User Spankey Posted July 6, 2023 Super User Posted July 6, 2023 I’m an older guy sort of set in my ways nowadays. Fluoro has come a long way by now. But was a bad experience back when I tried it. There are a lot of decent monos out there but over the last handful of years I’ve taken an extreme liking to the SunLine Super Natural Mono. 6# and 8# for my spinning setups. There are so many lines and opinions out there you can spin yourself into the ground. I’m sure you’ll settle on something. I could be wrong in my thinking but I sort of see it like this. I feel I’m finesse fishing with decent rods, the most part with St. Croix ML and M rods that are Xfast and fast action. Just fell the stretch of the mono acts as a slight shock absorber. Don’t fell that decent mono is less sensitive. Quote
bp_fowler Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 I use 8# on my spinning gear throwing almost exactly the same stuff as you. I haven’t had any problems with it. Especially once I learned to spool it on correctly. Also I use the cheap stuff (Vanish/Basix). Quote
Big Hands Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 When using straight anything, you will be using your main line up much quicker. Every time you break off or retie, you’re losing length from your main line. With braid to leader, you can retie several times and lose nothing. Also, when you retie a new leader to your braid main line, you generally only need to lose less than a foot of braid to tie a ten to fifteen foot leader onto a nice fresh section of braid. For me, it’s far more economical to use braid to leader. Add to that, the fact that line twist is now negligible (albeit with the increased probability of wind knots), I find that I much prefer using braid to leader in terms of performance and cost. I’ll live with the extra complexity of having to tie the occasional Alberto knot vs. the other two factors. I use 10 lb braid (usually J-Braid, PowerPro or Sunline) and leaders of 6, 7 or 8 lb fluorocarbon. Mostly 7 or 8 lb fluoro leader. The ever-rising cost to put line onto a reel makes it even more appealing to use shallow spools or at least use something to essentially make the spool function as a shallow spool (backing of some sort) so I only need to use 50 to 70 yards of braid main line each time I refill. For example, I can get three refills out of a 150 yard spool of braid and that refill lasts much longer. An initial investment of buying two spools does hurt the first time, but it is much more cost effective from that point forward. 3 Quote
Steveo-1969 Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 14 hours ago, PTasker15 said: I retie often since I only have a couple rods which perform many tasks and having to retie my leader after 3 changes got pretty annoying. I’m braid + leader guy on a spinning rod so have no opinion on best straight fluoro. But if you are using up your whole leader after re-tying only 3x you might reconsider a couple things: 1) Use a longer leader. 2) Use a different terminal knot that wastes less line. My leaders start at 3 feet long and I won’t tie on a new leader until it gets less than 12”. When I retie with a Trilene knot I only waste about 3 inches of line and it takes a long time to whittle it down. Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted July 6, 2023 Super User Posted July 6, 2023 i'm braid to leader. i cant stand the coils of flouro peeling off the spool. i feel like it affects my casting, and it's sometimes a hot mess of knots. nope. 1 Quote
Hulkster Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 why not just use a good mono like Sufix Siege or Elite? I use 8 and 10 pound on 3000 size shimano spinning reels with no issues at all. then you avoid all the coiling issues of flouro altogether? 2 Quote
Pogues2300 Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 19 hours ago, optimator said: A couple of years ago I went braid to leader on my spinning setups. I don’t see myself ever going back. 100% agree 1 Quote
GetFishorDieTryin Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 It may not appear to be the case, but its more costly in the long run to use FC over braid. I might get a year or slighty longer with a filler spool of InvizX, where I can get at least 3 years out of a filler spool of braid. I only use 60-70 yards on of braid on top of backing. As the first 20-30 yards wears out after a hard year of fishing I just strip the braid off and flip it over and repeat the process after that end wears out, which takes time. A good option is 10lb x9. You get 2 80 yard fills out of it and make it last quite a while. If you use a 10-14' leader on top of that then you rarely have to use up any mainline for tying connection knots. Quote
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