Can anyone help me with spooling this Daiwa reel?

[WRB]

Trying to comprehend the OP’s issue isn’t easy.

Looking at the photo helps as the line is being held about 45 degree angle upwards and that can pull the line out of the TWing level wind slot. 

the line should be no higher then the rod guides.

Simple solutions is run the line through the rod guides as noted several times. Do not lift the line upwards as shown in the photo.

Welcome to BR, the critiques are met to be helpful.

Tom

[PhishLI]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

Trying to comprehend the OP’s issue isn’t easy.

I understood it right off the bat. Between the DMs and public posts, I've come to understand Ohioguy-speak. ? This takes a minute. The issue is resolved.

[Ohioguy25]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

Trying to comprehend the OP’s issue isn’t easy.

Looking at the photo helps as the line is being held about 45 degree angle upwards and that can pull the line out of the TWing level wind slot. 

the line should be no higher then the rod guides.

Simple solutions is run the line through the rod guides as noted several times. Do not lift the line upwards as shown in the photo.

Welcome to BR, the critiques are met to be helpful.

Tom

 

18 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

I understood it right off the bat. Between the DMs and public posts, I've come to understand Ohioguy-speak. ? This takes a minute. The issue is resolved.

Thanks guys, you’ve been very patient and helpful. Issue resolved, reel spooled ??

[Ohioguy25]

On 5/31/2023 at 8:42 PM, PhishLI said:

This reel, like 99.8% of all low profile baitcasters, has a disengaging level wind. It's not supposed to go back and forth when the spool rotates. There's nothing wrong with it. As hard as you might find it to be, don't start another thread asking if this is true or not. It's true.

 

On 5/31/2023 at 9:15 PM, a1712 said:

When you put the line back on the reel, put it through the levelwind and it will spool up evenly, or close enough. Brian. 

 

On 5/31/2023 at 9:20 PM, bulldog1935 said:

make sure you put the reel in freespool when you're feeding the tag end of the line to the spool, then it's easy to put it through the t-wing.  

I always center the t-wing in my spool, then push the button - the line tag and spool knot will be aligned in the center of the spool and wind beautifully when you begin reeling.  

 

 

 

backing up - also make sure you go through at least two rod guides when spooling your reel.  

 

A line winder is always a good place to put your line when you want to remove it from your reel spool.  

 

On 5/31/2023 at 9:21 PM, PhishLI said:

Your reel's level wind will engage with the gears when you crank the handle and will distribute the line on the spool relatively evenly from left to right. It doesn't matter if it's not laying perfectly on the filler spool the line is coming from. Big Game isn't precision wound from the factory to begin with. Just spool it on and go fishing.

 

On 5/31/2023 at 9:25 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

I think the problem he’s having is the spooler he’s using is sitting high off the rod and lifting the line out of the slot and into the T. If that’s the case either don’t use the spooler and/or pinch the line tight holding tension and keeping it aligned with the level wind. 

 

On 6/1/2023 at 9:51 AM, Darth-Baiter said:

this is my favorite thing about life.  variety, and we all get to chose for ourselves.

 

i was really just joking, not throwing down a glove or anything.

 

On 6/1/2023 at 11:48 AM, Cbump said:

No. I literally hand wind line I’m saving onto spools all the time. It goes on however It goes on. 

 

On 6/1/2023 at 1:09 PM, WIGuide said:

I think you hit the nail on the head DVT

 

On 6/1/2023 at 3:53 PM, WRB said:

Trying to comprehend the OP’s issue isn’t easy.

Looking at the photo helps as the line is being held about 45 degree angle upwards and that can pull the line out of the TWing level wind slot. 

the line should be no higher then the rod guides.

Simple solutions is run the line through the rod guides as noted several times. Do not lift the line upwards as shown in the photo.

Welcome to BR, the critiques are met to be helpful.

Tom

So I took it for a test drive yesterday (Tatula 200,) casts nicely and the 20 lb big game is smooth enough but when I foolishly made a cast into the wind it jumped right off of the reel.  
 

Is this just a no-no for any line type on a baitcaster, and casting into the wind will always backlash you or did I not spool it tight enough or have my drag/spool tension set wrong?  It was somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of the line capacity that got loose and I had to pull out, it was down to the nub before I found it tight to the arbor.

[bulldog1935]

I was casting my 3 Daiwas (+ Super Duty)  into strong wind at Arroyo last Feb.  Here's my buddy Lou, and our best best specs, 21" and 23"

 

We were casting into 16-18, and had to wait out 24-kt gusts to cast.  

Of course, I was fishing threadline braid on every reel.  Throwing dense lures, 5-g (3/16 oz) metal microjigs, to 11- and 15-g (3/8 and 1/2 oz) rolling and jerk baits.  

  

Increasing linear mag brake setting is how you get through the wind.  

Where'd I'd normally be fishing with mag brake set on 4-6 (/20), casting into a strong wind required mag brake setting of at least double, 10-12 (/20).  

[Tatulatard]

1 hour ago, Ohioguy25 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So I took it for a test drive yesterday (Tatula 200,) casts nicely and the 20 lb big game is smooth enough but when I foolishly made a cast into the wind it jumped right off of the reel.  
 

Is this just a no-no for any line type on a baitcaster, and casting into the wind will always backlash you or did I not spool it tight enough or have my drag/spool tension set wrong?  It was somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of the line capacity that got loose and I had to pull out, it was down to the nub before I found it tight to the arbor.

Turn your brakes up if you are going to cast into the wind.  Turn down with the wind. Move your palming hand thumb off the top of the frame and over to the dial to side it back or forwards to adjust a few clicks for the next cast + conditions. You should be able to lob a glide into 15 mph winds with 20 lbs big game and zero spool tension with the tatula 200 without backlash with a high enough brake setting.

On 5/31/2023 at 8:38 PM, PhishLI said:

This is what 20lb Big Game looks like spooled up and fished. It is what it is. Don't worry about it even though it looks a little rough. This chit is as strong as a M....something really strong.

 

Also make sure the line is over the bar between the spool and tws as seen in Phil's catalina tw.  

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

20# big game is comparatively stiff and high memory especially new and dry. You just had one get away from you.  Try walking off 1.5 casts length of line and put a strip of electrical tape around the spool. This will keep any backlash from going deep into the spool. 

[Darth-Baiter]

@Ohioguy25 Kudos for successfully picking out a deep backlash.

 

wind is a mofo.  oddly, in some conditions fish seem to be more active in the wind, so it is good to have some skills to cast into it.  

 

i turn up the brake, and turn DOWN my own distance expectations.  

[Ohioguy25]

5 hours ago, Darth-Baiter said:

@Ohioguy25 Kudos for successfully picking out a deep backlash.

 

wind is a mofo.  oddly, in some conditions fish seem to be more active in the wind, so it is good to have some skills to cast into it.  

 

i turn up the brake, and turn DOWN my own distance expectations.  

Thanks.  So nothing to do with the line being spooled improperly?

[badfish79]

I dont know why, but when I cast mono or copoly into the wind, my spool blows up way more than when braid is on it. Not saying the braid doesn't blow up at all, but its not as visually dramatic as it is with mono.

 

The spool spins the same speed with both types of lines (assuming) so maybe the lures can travel faster with the lower air resistance of the braid, so the line comes off the spool faster and lessens the overrun compared to the nylon lines coming off slower.

[Darth-Baiter]

1 hour ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Thanks.  So nothing to do with the line being spooled improperly?

nope.  wind resistance is real.  nobody is immuned.  well, those spinning reel guys kinda are

[Tatulatard]

13 hours ago, badfish79 said:

I dont know why, but when I cast mono or copoly into the wind, my spool blows up way more than when braid is on it. Not saying the braid doesn't blow up at all, but its not as visually dramatic as it is with mono.

 

The spool spins the same speed with both types of lines (assuming) so maybe the lures can travel faster with the lower air resistance of the braid, so the line comes off the spool faster and lessens the overrun compared to the nylon lines coming off slower.

Braid can get out of its own way better than large diameter plastic lines.  

[PhishLI]

18 hours ago, badfish79 said:

I dont know why, but when I cast mono or copoly into the wind, my spool blows up way more than when braid is on it.

It doesn't have to though. Through trial and error, you should come to understand where your brake settings need to be to keep this from occurring. I mostly fish at night, and I'm often ripping high arc casts, but I know where my settings have to be whether it's calm or windy. I don't need to shine a light to change those settings or make a production out of doing so. I simply count the clicks on the dial either up or down. If I'm chucking a bait directly into the wind which is wind catching by nature, like a large plastic swim bait, I'll just stay heavy on my thumb throughout the cast. By doing this, other than having to pull out a few loose loops occasionally, I haven't wrecked a spool in years. If you put your mind to it, blowups don't have to be a regular feature of your fishing.

[Tatulatard]

I don't even worry about counting the clicks.  I know what sliding my thumb across the top of the dial will to.  Slide back for more brake and slide forward for less brake.  All the way back to skip or cast into strong headwind and slide forwards to get into the higher dial end of middle range and another half forward thumb slide to get into my useable lowest dial setting.

[JediAmoeba]

On 6/5/2023 at 7:13 AM, Ohioguy25 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So I took it for a test drive yesterday (Tatula 200,) casts nicely and the 20 lb big game is smooth enough but when I foolishly made a cast into the wind it jumped right off of the reel.  
 

Is this just a no-no for any line type on a baitcaster, and casting into the wind will always backlash you or did I not spool it tight enough or have my drag/spool tension set wrong?  It was somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of the line capacity that got loose and I had to pull out, it was down to the nub before I found it tight to the arbor.

I more often than not cast into the wind. Big Game is garbage and my stance on that won't change. 

[MN Fisher]

28 minutes ago, JediAmoeba said:

Big Game is garbage and my stance on that won't change. 

Only thing I use Big Game for is cheap backing on my casting reels. If I'm going with a mono - then it's Siege.

[Ohioguy25]

12 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

Only thing I use Big Game for is cheap backing on my casting reels. If I'm going with a mono - then it's Siege.

What’s the difference, strength/smoothness?

13 hours ago, JediAmoeba said:

I more often than not cast into the wind. Big Game is garbage and my stance on that won't change. 

What do you recommend?

[MN Fisher]

10 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

What’s the difference, strength/smoothness?

Limper - doesn't 'jump' off the reel like BG and doesn't have all those coils when casting out.

[Ohioguy25]

52 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Limper - doesn't 'jump' off the reel like BG and doesn't have all those coils when casting out.

Would you say still a good deal stronger than Armilo Defier?

[MN Fisher]

Dunno - haven't tried Defier...been happy with Siege.

[PhishLI]

34 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Would you say still a good deal stronger than Armilo Defier?

Your situation occurred not because of the line, but because your brakes were set too low, and your thumb was off the spool while the lure was in flight. That's the only way your line could've gotten that loose so deep into the spool. If you had the limpest line of all spooled on, which is braid, a loop would've been thrown up, then it would've wrapped around itself once and locked the spool which would've probably sheared the terminal knot. 

 

The memory of .018" diameter line doesn't mean squat when you're throwing a 2 1/2 oz bait and when "you" are calibrated to the setup and it's tuned correctly. You're not throwing a jerkbait here where line memory overcomes the lure's resistance in the water. Once nylon mono gets wet, coils are not part of the equation with heavier baits. Many people throw big baits using fluoro which is typically harder and stiffer than BG or other mono by quite a bit.

 

Don't get spun out by conflicting information and a few random hyperbolic comments. What happened was your error because the reel, rod, and big baits are all still brand new to you. The line had little to do with it. Guaranteed you would've blown up a $35 200 yd roll of any other "better" plastic line just the same. Figure out your brake settings for the conditions you're in and keep your thumb in contact with the spool.

[JediAmoeba]

2 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

What do you recommend

I use Gamma. Gamma is my favorite copoly and fluoro. Everyone has their preferences so try some out and find your preference

[islandbass]

@Ohioguy25: Casting into the wind can at times be somewhat challenging with a bc reel. That said, the lure’s aerodynamics are a factor. You can usually toss a 3/4 oz casting spoon into a strong wing without a problem, but throw spinnerbait of the same weight, you’d better be mindful and have your thumb ready to compensate. 

Just because two lures weigh the same doesn’t mean they’ll cast the same into the wind. The lighter the lure, the greater potential for trouble. This might require an attentive thumb, an adjustment to your brake settings, or both. Those are the “brakes” (intentionally misspelled), lol.