braided line

[gim]

6 minutes ago, biggin said:

toothy fish.... pickerel and snakeheads. 

I imagine pickerel are similar to northern pike. Perhaps smaller and less abundant. But ya, they’re lure wreckers and bait thieves regardless. Unless you don’t mind losing lures, of course.

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6 hours ago, afterbiggins said:

But the fight with 15 pounds probably stressed the rod enough with braided with no stretch ?

Could be.  I am not familiar with snakeheads though, we don't have them here.

[bulldog1935]

@afterbiggins  Two guides down indicates a high stick.  

Sometimes you have to high-stick to get a fish into the net, but you hope things are gentle with slow strain rate when you get there.  

(this is with a 1918 cane rod)

 

 

Two things that break casting rods are torsion and high strain rate (jerk).  

The fish can provide the jerk with a sudden lunge, especially with you pulling the other way.    

The guides on top of casting rods produce torsion (twisting) in the rod blank.  This is why casting rods need more guides toward the tip than spinning rods.  High-stick concentrates the torsion strain within a short length of the blank.  If it is a torsion failure, the fracture will be 45-degrees across the blank (may also show splintering from the twist).  

[Standard]

I've mainly used 832 in the past.  Picked up a spool of X-5 and 2 spools of X-9 over the winter for some new setups.  So far I'd say X-9 is tied with 832, with the X-5 being a bit behind but still good.  I did get the X-5 to see if it was any better in the weeds and it's not weed season yet, so we'll see if that improves my opinion of it any.

[dodgeguy]

16 hours ago, biggin said:

toothy fish.... pickerel and snakeheads. 

Never had a problem 

19 hours ago, biggin said:

so even though they see your line that doesn't make a difference catching fish ?

One of the biggest myths ever

[gim]

I can assure you that just about every single professional bass angler on every circuit is using some kind of flurocarbon leader off their main line.  If these guys are doing it with money on the line, then that's enough to convince me that it worth doing too, especially in clear, pressured waters.

[biggin]

1 hour ago, gimruis said:

I can assure you that just about every single professional bass angler on every circuit is using some kind of flurocarbon leader off their main line.  If these guys are doing it with money on the line, then that's enough to convince me that it worth doing too, especially in clear, pressured waters.

Guess I would say, big fish are smarter, kinda like big bucks. 

6 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

@afterbiggins  Two guides down indicates a high stick.  

Sometimes you have to high-stick to get a fish into the net, but you hope things are gentle with slow strain rate when you get there.  

(this is with a 1918 cane rod)

 

 

Two things that break casting rods are torsion and high strain rate (jerk).  

The fish can provide the jerk with a sudden lunge, especially with you pulling the other way.    

The guides on top of casting rods produce torsion (twisting) in the rod blank.  This is why casting rods need more guides toward the tip than spinning rods.  High-stick concentrates the torsion strain within a short length of the blank.  If it is a torsion failure, the fracture will be 45-degrees across the blank (may also show splintering from the twist).  

It happened on my spinning rod and my casting rod only has one extra guide. Both are 7 foot rods. Also had a clean break, no splintering. I thought a swivel would have helped due to the fish rolled like a carp, then started to thrash as I reeled it in. 

[dodgeguy]

20 hours ago, gimruis said:

@biggin if you don’t have rocks or zebra mussels and you don’t have toothy predators that love to steal lures, then straight braid would not be an issue for those specific reasons stated. Be aware that braid generally does float and if you get hung up, you will have a harder time breaking it off than you would with mono or fluoro.

 

Lastly, if you are using a bait caster and get a backlash, it will often be significantly worse. I got one so bad the other day I had to cut it out.

 

I could see how it might be confusing with so many types , colors, and brands of fishing line available.  It may take some experimenting on your own to find what works best for you.

Total misinformation.Braid backlashes way less. Braid is far easier to remove backlashes from. Braid is also not damaged by backlash. I never had problems with toothy critters and Sufix 832.

[T-Billy]

3 minutes ago, dodgeguy said:

Total misinformation.Braid backlashes way less. Braid is far easier to remove backlashes from. Braid is also not damaged by backlash. I never had problems with toothy critters and Sufix 832.

Braid does tend to backlash less IME. Braid is often easier to pick out, but not always. Sometimes it'll dig into itself when backlashing and can be a real bugger to pick out. I've never had braid get damaged from a backlash. I've had pike and muskie cut 50# 832 like a hot knife through butter. It's pretty abrasion resistant, but it's easily cut.

[biggin]

thanks for all the replies. 

 

 

10 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

@afterbiggins  Two guides down indicates a high stick.  

Sometimes you have to high-stick to get a fish into the net, but you hope things are gentle with slow strain rate when you get there.  

(this is with a 1918 cane rod)

 

 

Two things that break casting rods are torsion and high strain rate (jerk).  

The fish can provide the jerk with a sudden lunge, especially with you pulling the other way.    

The guides on top of casting rods produce torsion (twisting) in the rod blank.  This is why casting rods need more guides toward the tip than spinning rods.  High-stick concentrates the torsion strain within a short length of the blank.  If it is a torsion failure, the fracture will be 45-degrees across the blank (may also show splintering from the twist).  

rod splintering from the twist, would a swivel help prevent this ? Or is this a myth ?

[gim]

2 hours ago, T-Billy said:

I've had pike and muskie cut 50# 832 like a hot knife through butter.

I haven't been snipped off with 50 pound 832 yet, but I have with 30 and 40 more than once.

 

I really only use 50 for frog fishing though, so the likelihood of having it happen is pretty low in that situation.

[bulldog1935]

@biggin, your question doesn't have a meaning to me to me.  

Here is a high stick break of a casting rod, caused when a redfish came out of the water right by my knee, to eat my lure when I was taking it out of the water.  I reacted with a high-stick set at the exact moment the redfish exploded - should have let him run before setting properly.  

You can see the 45-degree break, and the minor splintering.  

This had nothing to do with the line, and everything to do with the high rod angle, high strain rate applied by both me and the fish at the same instant, and the torsion that is always produced in a bent casting rod (guides on top).  

TX PE No. 75665

lil culprit dickens, under-slot and released 

(finished a great weekend with my 3-pc back-up)

 

Adding a kudo to 13Fishing.  This is the only rod I've ever broken - my fault.  When I called about their discount replacement program, they told me fishing break is warranty, and sent me a new rod.  Happy camper, Omen Green 7'1" ML is the least-expensive rod I fish, and will never be without one.  

[biggin]

1 hour ago, bulldog1935 said:

@biggin, your question doesn't have a meaning to me to me.  

Here is a high stick break of a casting rod, caused when a redfish came out of the water right by my knee, to eat my lure when I was taking it out of the water.  I reacted with a high-stick set at the exact moment the redfish exploded - should have let him run before setting properly.  

You can see the 45-degree break, and the minor splintering.  

This had nothing to do with the line, and everything to do with the high rod angle, high strain rate applied by both me and the fish at the same instant, and the torsion that is always produced in a bent casting rod (guides on top).  

TX PE No. 75665

lil culprit dickens, under-slot and released 

(finished a great weekend with my 3-pc back-up)

 

Adding a kudo to 13Fishing.  This is the only rod I've ever broken - my fault.  When I called about their discount replacement program, they told me fishing break is warranty, and sent me a new rod.  

I was offered a new rod but declined. It was a medium rod and I went up to a medium heavy moderate fast action.

[optimator]

It means Walmart sucks?

[ironbjorn]

15 minutes ago, afterbiggins said:

I can’t post all of the line with what sells better… power pro is out and berkley and spider wire doesn’t 

Are you using two different accounts or am I hallucinating 

[biggin]

I'm good now..... Security issues when I was signing up, but an Admin settled it. 

On 5/25/2023 at 10:39 PM, optimator said:

It means Walmart sucks?

No it means Power pro is better than Spider wire. 

[optimator]

Maybe so. I’ve never used Spiderwire, but Walmart still sucks ?

[JN94]

832 for moving baits. Cortland for bottom baits

[biggin]

thanks all for the input.

[biggin]

8 hours ago, JNorman said:

832 for moving baits. Cortland for bottom baits

What’s the difference between the two?