braided line

[bulldog1935]

Ouch.  Kast King on Amazon was the worst, flattest braid I've ever bought, and relegated to backing spools.  

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@fish_burrito  YGK G-Soul is readily available in US.  

While it's made by and based on Izanas X-braid, the outer strands include fluorocarbon fibers to make it sink.  

[badfish79]

I hope this doesn't derail this thread. For those that moved from power pro to 832, was either of them noticeably more sensitive?

 

I am thinking of switching to 832 because I read that its a sinking braid, which makes me think I will have better contact with my lure than power pro, which floats on the water surface, especially on long casts.

[PaulVE64]

My 832 floats.

It also ties knots better (edit- better than the smooth PP) and has enough abrasion resistance for me. 

I like a braid that isnt limp (occasionally limp braid wraps around my tips)

I like one that is rough enough to hold knots and still be a good casting line.

832 checks more of my boxes

[WRB]

Fins braid, made in USA offer wide selection to meet most presentations. YGK for sinking braid.

Tom

[biggin]

do all braided line regardless of color, visible to fish in any water clarity ?

[CrashVector]

1 hour ago, biggin said:

do I still need a fluorocarbon leader ?

I never use leaders.  Other never fish without them.

16 minutes ago, biggin said:

do all braided line regardless of color, visible to fish in any water clarity ?

Braid is visible to fish, yes.

 

So is fluorocarbon.

[biggin]

3 minutes ago, CrashVector said:

I never use leaders.  Other never fish without them.

Braid is visible to fish, yes.

 

So is fluorocarbon.

does it matter if they can ?

[CrashVector]

1 hour ago, biggin said:

does it matter if they can ?

 

I haven't noticed that it matters.  All I use is straight braid and I catch plenty.

[GRiver]

I’ve only have two rigs with braid on them, pitching rig and my dock rig, they have X9 on them….. So far it seems the quietest, the noise is a thing with me. 

[biggin]

55 minutes ago, CrashVector said:

 

I haven't noticed that it matters.  All I use is straight braid and I catch plenty.

without a sermon on the mount, could you give me a rundown on how you catch "plenty" ?

[Bird]

6 hours ago, biggin said:

I used Spider wire 15 pound moss green braided, so when you say "how the bait can move" the pro v2 is supple. More flexible ? Certain braided line doesn't jig the bait more naturally and does color matter ? I read also on TW reviews that they have line breaks, one guy has knot breaks another great knot strength on a leader. But any body knows that line should be scrapped if it frays. Do you power pro users have strong fraying resistant line ? And is conditioner needed ? The spider wire has wax on it but after awhile comes off. 

Been using Power Pro since it's introduction, many years.

It stays on my reels for 5 years and yes, it does fade.

I'm a braid to flouro leader for everything but moving baits so fade has never been an issue.

Never noticed fray.

 

[CrashVector]

1 hour ago, biggin said:

without a sermon on the mount, could you give me a rundown on how you catch "plenty" ?

 

What do you mean?  I know how to catch bass.  Using no leader hasn't affected how many fish I catch.

 

I primarily am a finesse fisherman.  I use soft plastics.  A lot.

 

Mostly the power bait pit boss.

[biggin]

so even though they see your line that doesn't make a difference catching fish ?

[CrashVector]

3 minutes ago, biggin said:

so even though they see your line that doesn't make a difference catching fish ?

Not to me it doesn't.

 

Others will swear you can't catch fish unless you're using fluorocarbon line.  I disagree.

 

I use 20lb 8strand Hercules no fade braid in low vis green.

 

Fluorocarbon is a garbage waste of money line in my opinion.

[gim]

6 minutes ago, biggin said:

so even though they see your line that doesn't make a difference catching fish ?

It may not just be about that. Some lake bottoms have rocks, and some of those rocks have zebra mussels. They are sharp. Fluorocarbon holds up to rocks and zebes much better than braided line does. Additionally, fluorocarbon will also hold up to toothy predators such as northern pike and muskies whereas braid will not. I didn’t think pike could slice through 30 or 40 pound braided line, but they can. I’ve had it happen.

 

I use fluorocarbon on some of my setups when these scenarios are presented. Some of my setups are straight braid too though. In murky or stained water, it’s a moot point because the fish can’t see very well anyways. In clear, pressured waters, it might make a difference. And for me, if it’s a variable I can control, I am going to control it.

[biggin]

20 hours ago, CrashVector said:

Not to me it doesn't.

 

Others will swear you can't catch fish unless you're using fluorocarbon line.  I disagree.

 

I use 20lb 8strand Hercules no fade braid in low vis green.

 

Fluorocarbon is a garbage waste of money line in my opinion.

Sorry man I'm just frustrated to catch fish, and you say flouro is garbage and the next poster says it's tougher than braid. Can you see where I'm coming from ? Braid held up better than mono with pickerel, snapped the line seconds after I hooked it. So I went with 15lb braided. It frayed some but it held up better than the mono 6 pound, which I caught more fish with the mono, and the 15 braid is like 6 mono diameter.

 

So 20 braid is like 6 dia. mono ?  And low vis green isn't very green then? I bought moss green copolyermer and it's on the faint side green, almost looks like a brown.

[MN Fisher]

Just now, biggin said:

the next poster says it's tougher than braid

It's more abrasion resistant, but 20#flouro is no stronger than 20#braid.

 

If you're bottom fishing  and have got zebra mussels , a good leader is almost a must. Open water - straight braid is fine.

[biggin]

1 minute ago, MN Fisher said:

It's more abrasion resistant, but 20#flouro is no stronger than 20#braid.

 

If you're bottom fishing  and have got zebra mussels , a good leader is almost a must. Open water - straight braid is fine.

I'm on a lake with just grass and wood. The braid I had got frayed from dragging worms or trying to bust free from snags or walking snapping a snag, 15 spider wire ez braid. I have 8 lb flouro Berkley vanish. 

[CrashVector]

29 minutes ago, biggin said:

Sorry man I'm just frustrated to catch fish, and you say flouro is garbage and the next poster says it's tougher than braid. Can you see where I'm coming from ? Braid held up better than mono with pickerel, snapped the line seconds after I hooked it. So I went with 15lb braided. It frayed some but it held up better than the mono 6 pound, which I caught more fish with the mono, and the 15 braid is like 6 mono diameter.

 

So 20 braid is like 8 mono ?  And low vis green isn't very green then? I bought moss green copolyermer and it's on the faint side green. 

 

I use Hercules 8strand no fade braid in 20lb test on baitcasters, and 10lb on my spinning reels.  The color on Amazon says "green".  

 

Mono lines ARE more abrasion resistant than braid.  I never use fluorocarbon.  Period.  Most of the marketing garbage on it has been disproven.

 

People say fluoro stretches less than mono. Not true.  They say it's invisible in water.  Not true.  They say it's more sensitive than mono.  Not true.

 

Like I said, there's literally hundreds of videos on YouTube proving these things as false, yet some people still buy into the b.s.  The only thing fluoro does better than nylon is drain your wallet faster.

 

I use straight braid.  If I use a mono line, I use nylon.  For bass, the only time I use mono is if I'm using a swimbait, chatterbait, or spinnerbait.  Everything else gets straight braid.

 

I'm going kayak fishing tomorrow.  I'm bringing a 7' MH/F Abu Garcia veritas TE spinning rod with a 3000 size Revo SX reel.  Loaded with 10lb Hercules 8 strand no fade braid in green.  I have it set up for wacky rigging.  It's all I plan on doing tomorrow.

[biggin]

Guess I could chase my tail with this, considering the fish are just waiting for a free meal presented the right way, in the right conditions and what ever is presented they want at that moment. Guess if I ate shad and bluegills all the time I would want something different, only I ain't interested in retying a bait on my line or carrying half a dozen rod and reels to save time.

[gim]

@biggin if you don’t have rocks or zebra mussels and you don’t have toothy predators that love to steal lures, then straight braid would not be an issue for those specific reasons stated. Be aware that braid generally does float and if you get hung up, you will have a harder time breaking it off than you would with mono or fluoro.

 

Lastly, if you are using a bait caster and get a backlash, it will often be significantly worse. I got one so bad the other day I had to cut it out.

 

I could see how it might be confusing with so many types , colors, and brands of fishing line available.  It may take some experimenting on your own to find what works best for you.

[biggin]

I was told that..... experimenting on my own. It seems like a waste of money, verses one temp insensitive rifle powder with a particular bullet Hornady SST along with a coax press, Lee collet die and Redding body die in my 06 or 270 factory rifles. Only took 18 years to finally firgure it out talking to the right people, but I guess it ain't gonna happen here.

[optimator]

You’ve still got to experiment on your own. What some guys love here other guys hate. You have to see what works for you.

[Bird]

Only thing I'll add is we as fisherman have little quirks that we hold to, gives us confidence.

Feels like CrashVector is coming in hot with a dislike for fluorocarbon, understood and may be correct.

A flouro leader with slow presentations gives me a little more confidence that what I'm doing will intice a bite.

Don't stress, fishing is meant to be relaxing and enjoyable.

 

 

[biggin]

37 minutes ago, gimruis said:

@biggin if you don’t have rocks or zebra mussels and you don’t have toothy predators that love to steal lures, then straight braid would not be an issue for those specific reasons stated. Be aware that braid generally does float and if you get hung up, you will have a harder time breaking it off than you would with mono or fluoro.

 

Lastly, if you are using a bait caster and get a backlash, it will often be significantly worse. I got one so bad the other day I had to cut it out.

 

I could see how it might be confusing with so many types , colors, and brands of fishing line available.  It may take some experimenting on your own to find what works best for you.

toothy fish.... pickerel and snakeheads.