Keith Poche

[TnRiver46]

The man finished 29th before having his day 1 weight DQ’d, so who cares????

[gim]

11 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

The man finished 29th before having his day 1 weight DQ’d, so who cares????

Ya, but just think of where he "could have" finished if he had legally accessed those untapped, unpressured waters that held giants.  Gotta think he would have at least moved up to 28th.

 

[Choporoz]

nobody has been talking about the 28th ....for weeks 

[TnRiver46]

20 minutes ago, gimruis said:

Ya, but just think of where he "could have" finished if he had legally accessed those untapped, unpressured waters that held giants.  Gotta think he would have at least moved up to 28th.

 

Hahaha! That’s the funny part, he got 29th with accessing the special waters. After the DQ I’m guessing he fell way below that 

[Catt]

19 hours ago, AmmoGuy said:

Number 2, that statement came from a private website (Toldebend.com). Not an official, TP&W, or government website/publication

 

How you check the websites certifications? 

 

Everything posted the is from official publications. Toledo Bend is governed by Texas Parks and Wildlife, Sabine River Authority, & Louisiana Wildlife & Fisheries. Toledo Bend * puts all that information in location.

 

Keith's interpretation of laws, rules, & regulations is what got him DQ'd!

 

Love it how Y'all wanna prove me wrong but refuse to spend the time I have researching the body of water I fish. 

 

On 5/20/2023 at 6:14 AM, Catt said:

(800) 792-1112

 

Your answer has been in plan sight the entire time! 

 

Call it!

[Catt]

Oh yeah I almost forgot!

 

How is those kayakers supposed to get across the levee, road, dam?

 

On foot!

[Tennessee Boy]

1 hour ago, Catt said:

 

Love it how Y'all wanna prove me wrong but refuse to spend the time I have researching the body of water I fish. 

That’s ridiculous Catt.  No one is trying to prove you wrong they’re just trying to get a straight answer from you.

[AmmoGuy]

1 hour ago, Tennessee Boy said:

That’s ridiculous Catt.  No one is trying to prove you wrong they’re just trying to get a straight answer from you.

This. 

[Catt]

1 hour ago, Tennessee Boy said:

That’s ridiculous Catt.  No one is trying to prove you wrong they’re just trying to get a straight answer from you.

 

I gave y'all a straight answer but y'all refuse to accept it since it doesn't specifically say doesn't jump the levee in your boat.

 

I guess since it doesn't specifically say I can't dynamite the levee it's OK to do. 

 

Or it doesn't specifically say I can't take dredging equipment & cut the levee that's legal to.

 

Again call Texas Parks & Wildlife, then report back here their answer!

Phone: (936) 569-8547
Address:
8096 FM 2782
Nacogdoches, TX 75964

Contact: Robert "Bob" Baker

 

And yes that from the official Texas Parks & Wildlife website!

[AmmoGuy]

2 hours ago, Catt said:

Love it how Y'all wanna prove me wrong but refuse to spend the time I have researching the body of water I fish.

I don’t understand why you keep appealing to you’re own authority, if you can’t even post or link a rule/regulation that backs up your assertion? 

No one is trying to prove you wrong. It’s just an silly Internet forum discussion. You made a claim that something was illegal/prohibited, and others asked for proof (and you haven’t provided any). That’s just how forum discussions usually go. Don’t take it personally. Be objective about it. 
 

I’m 100% not being coy. If there is an actual State, TP&W, etc publication that specifically prohibits taking a boat across that dam, I’d hop in your corner without hesitation. But I HAVE researched it. Quite in depth. And I haven’t been able to produce one. 

[Logan S]

52 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

But I HAVE researched it. Quite in depth.

Why?

 

I don't understand why so many people are spending time trying to prove what he did was legal.  It doesn't matter what was 'legal', within state boundaries or regulations, or whatever else....Same guy broke state laws and was trespassing on private property (allegedly) last year at the James River but wasn't DQ'd because the TD gave him permission.  When it comes to a tournament DQ, The only thing that matters is the tournament rules AND the interpretation of those rules.  

 

The AND part is important because it allows the organization to enforce the 'spirit of the rules' in the event something isn't explicitly spelled out in the rules, because you can't possibly list every single potential scenario in your rule book or it'd be 1000's of pages long.  Every single tournament rule book has a clause to the effect of, "TD has the final authority on interpretation and enforcement of rules."  So literally anything the TD interprets is 'in the rulebook'.  

 

The only coherent argument I've seen against the DQ is that maybe BASS should have let him off with a warning and more clearly defined the rules next year...Which is logical.  But my guess is that with the supposed stuff that went down at the Red River and James River last year (and maybe others we haven't heard about) they were finally fed up with these antics and had to drop the hammer on him.

[Glenn]

Keep it civil guys.  After all, it's fishing.  Fishing is supposed to be fun.

[volzfan59]

1 hour ago, Glenn said:

Keep it civil guys.  After all, it's fishing.  Fishing is supposed to be fun.

Amen!

19 hours ago, TnRiver46 said:

Hahaha! That’s the funny part, he got 29th with accessing the special waters. After the DQ I’m guessing he fell way below that 

He finished 29th after having his catch on whatever day it was DQ'd. I believe that he said on Luke Dunkin's podcast that he got a check in the tournament.

 

I agree with @Logan S, all he had to do was get permission from the TD. That removes the monkey from Keith's back. He's done it before, he knows how the game is played.

[Tennessee Boy]

So the regulations do not specifically say you can’t jump the levee but if you call and ask I bet they will tell you it’s prohibited

That’s a straight answer.  

 

[TnRiver46]

If you don’t realize it’s a bad idea to jump a levee at speed, here’s your sign……..

[volzfan59]

3 hours ago, Tennessee Boy said:

So the regulations do not specifically say you can’t jump the levee but if you call and ask I bet they will tell you it’s prohibited

That’s a straight answer.  

 

I agree, he knew what the answer was going to be. Go Big Orange!

[Catt]

21 hours ago, AmmoGuy said:

I’m 100% not being coy. If there is an actual State, TP&W, etc publication that specifically prohibits taking a boat across that dam, I’d hop in your corner without hesitation

 

21 hours ago, Catt said:

Phone: (936) 569-8547
Address:
8096 FM 2782
Nacogdoches, TX 75964

Contact: Robert "Bob" Baker

 

Have a nice day ?

[J Francho]

20 hours ago, volzfan59 said:

He's done it before, he knows how the game is played.

I think he played the game perfectly.  There's five pages of free press here, and goodness knows how many views on his socials.  Some sponsors would be happy with that.

[Tennessee Boy]

3 hours ago, J Francho said:

I think he played the game perfectly.  There's five pages of free press here, and goodness knows how many views on his socials.  Some sponsors would be happy with that.

Yeah and it’s been on every podcast and YouTube channel.  Everyone loves a good scandal ?.  I haven’t listened to all of it but the only person I’ve heard defend him was Randy Blaukat.  As I understand Randy’s logic,  Keith wasn’t using FFS so it should be legal.  ?

[AmmoGuy]

4 hours ago, Catt said:

 

 

Have a nice day ?

 

 I meant what I said:

"If there is an actual State, TP&W, etc publication that specifically prohibits taking a boat across that dam, I’d hop in your corner without hesitation."

 

The company I manage has a professional relationship with TP&W. Contacting them isn't a problem. However, someone's verbal opinion on the legality of the action holds little weight if they cannot cite an official written regulation specific to it. If there IS anything official published, it's so obscure or buried that no one in this thread has been able to produce it, which is another issue in and of itself (but lets not get into the bureaucratic nature of it all). 

[volzfan59]

3 hours ago, J Francho said:

I think he played the game perfectly.  There's five pages of free press here, and goodness knows how many views on his socials.  Some sponsors would be happy with that.

I was talking about putting the monkey on the TD's back instead of his. That said, you're exactly right. I guess the old saying is true, "no press is bad press." Or something like that. 

 

Can't lie, I've gone to the Gator Trax website to look at their rigs. Between this deal and Keith's "Off the Grid" YouTube shows, I'm thinking that they must build one tough boat hull.

[J Francho]

Since when does legality have anything to do with a TD's discretion about an unfair advantage. I mean, who cares at this point? It isn't gonna change the results and Kieth got all the free press he could ever want out of the stunt. 

(this is for two posts above)

[AmmoGuy]

51 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Since when does legality have anything to do with a TD's discretion about an unfair advantage. I mean, who cares at this point?

(this is for two posts above)

 

Idk? Ask @Catt. 

He's the one that initially brought up the "legality" of Keith's actions. 

 

As to why it's still being discussed? Who knows? Why do people sit around and discuss things? Why do we ever spend an appreciable amount of time on internet forums talking about things that (so much of the time) have no real value? It's just what happens. 

 

You've posted over 37,000 times on this forum alone. I'd guarantee that some percentage of that also falls into the "who cares" category. ?

[J Francho]

24 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

You've posted over 37,000 times

Yeah but over 23,000 were liked, lol.

[AmmoGuy]

50 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Yeah but over 23,000 were liked, lol.

 

So over 14,000 weren't?  

Heck, I think even my ratio is better than that. 

 

 

But I digress.

This train is pretty well derailed. Or rather, this boat has "jumped the dam" (couldn't help myself). It seems like the Poche drama has died down, so this thread probably should too.