Keith Poche

[Kirtley Howe]

2 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

 

I believe this is the jump in question? 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CsL6XSYublv/?hl=en

Wrong video. He did not "jump" his boat. He rolled up a set of rollers that are built into the embankment. The rollers were constructed to allow anglers access to the "pond" he fished in. Very similar to using a lock to access a section of lake that you cannot directly boat into. (as in being blocked by a dam). The real question is if the pond he accessed was actually part of Lay Lake that was within the tournament boundaries. He felt it was. I agree with him. But BASS felt it was not....and it is their tournament, and their judgement that matters in the end.

[Catt]

27 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

 

I believe this is the jump in question? 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CsL6XSYublv/?hl=en

 

Uhh! No! 

That's dry land not rollers, rollers are similar to the picture below.

 

6 hours ago, Catt said:

Visitors may access the area by vehicle as well as enter the 500 acre impoundment via a roller boat ramp which has been constructed on the 200 foot long embankment.

 

 

[AlabamaSpothunter]

31 minutes ago, Catt said:

 

Uhh! No! 

That's dry land not rollers, rollers are similar to the picture below.

 

 

 

You'd have to get out of the boat and drag or wench the boat up over a roller ramp like that correct?

[volzfan59]

56 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

 

I believe this is the jump in question? 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CsL6XSYublv/?hl=en

I do believe that's it. Keith said that some guy was in the area, crappie fishing from the bank and recorded it. I would pay good money to go "Off the Grid" (name of his YouTube channel) fishing with Poche.

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59 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

I believe this is the jump in question? 

Lol that is freaking awesome if that's indeed what occurred.  Genius way to access unfished waters.

 

If the rollers require one to physically get out and push the boat, then there may be an issue.

 

It sounds as if there are multiple, conflicting stories on this subject.  As I previously stated, there are usually two sides to a story.  In this case, there may be a lot more.

[volzfan59]

3 hours ago, volzfan59 said:

@Catt, On Luke Dunkin's Low Budget Live podcast Keith said that he jumped it.

@AmmoGuy has the correct video if I'm not mistaken. Same one as in Luke Dunkin's thumbnail for the podcast/ YouTube.

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It does appear that his rig "left tournament waters" while he attempted this stunt, and by the written rule, he is in violation.

 

Its still a badass move, and a ballsy one at that.

[Kirtley Howe]

13 minutes ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

You'd have to get out of the boat and drag or wench the boat up over a roller ramp like that correct?

Nope. He just powered right up it and into the water on the other side. I don't think I would have the guts to try that, but more power to him for being able to.

[AlabamaSpothunter]

9 minutes ago, Kirtley Howe said:

Nope. He just powered right up it and into the water on the other side. I don't think I would have the guts to try that, but more power to him for being able to.

Lol, that's nuts.   Dang I wanna see that video and scream LEEEEEEEE-ROY JENKINS as he's mid air ?

[TnRiver46]

I’ve got a boat that can do that but it violates all manner of tournament rules 

 

again, it’s always the rule breakers that get way more notoriety than winners. Can we all watch the walleye cheaters video a few more dozen times???

[gim]

I'd venture to say that if Poche "left tournament waters" because his boat got air over a sand bar, then shouldn't some of these big fiberglass rigs be DQ'd when they're on rough Great Lakes water?  See below.  This guy is in violation because he's left tournament waters.  Double standard?

 

 

[volzfan59]

To me, he should have consulted the Opens Series T/D Hank Weldon before doing it. Once Hank ok'ed the move, it's on him, not Keith. Again, I'm a Keith Poche fan but if you have to jump dry (or muddy) land, it's probably off limits. The appeals committee seems to have made the correct call.

[Catt]

1 hour ago, Catt said:

via a roller boat ramp which has been constructed on the 200 foot long embankment

 

Do y'all not comprehend the above statement?

 

Either sliding over dry land or going over rollers we're talking 200'!

 

If Keith hit the rollers at WOT he had better be dead center or you will be high & dry.

 

[volzfan59]

8 minutes ago, Catt said:

 

Do y'all not comprehend the above statement?

 

Either sliding over dry land or going over rollers we're talking 200'!

 

If Keith hit the rollers at WOT he had better be dead center or you will be high & dry.

 

I comprehend very well what you are saying. I also comprehend exactly what came out of Keith's mouth, his statement of fact. Just because there are rollers, doesn't mean that he used them. As someone else said, he and/or his partner would have had to exit the boat against B.A.S.S. rules. He said he jumped it, he said some bank crappie angler filmed it, came to the weigh in and introduced himself. Keith said that he asked the guy to send him the video. Listen to the podcast.

[TnRiver46]

He caught 15 lbs each day and didn’t even qualify for the final round………. Not like he even had a chance to win 

[Catt]

2 hours ago, Kirtley Howe said:

He did not "jump" his boat. He rolled up a set of rollers that are built into the embankment. The rollers were constructed to allow anglers access to the "pond" he fished in. Very similar to using a lock to access a section of lake that you cannot directly boat into. (as in being blocked by a dam).

 

This is exactly what Keith said in his own words on his YouTube channel.

 

B.A.S.S. opinion was that the WMA is not part of Toledo Bend therefore Keith was not in tournament waters.

 

Texas Parks & Wildlife's website states the WMA is adjacent to Toledo Bend. 

 

Keith is trying to justify how he got into the area when that isn't the issue.

[AlabamaSpothunter]

I just got sucked down an hour long rabbit hole watching his videos.....the video posted on Insta linked here is from a video called Off the grid......Georgia.   

 

He's 90% off roader/mudder, 10% Bass angler.   I've never watched an hour worth of fishing videos and not wanted to be in the boat......well his videos were a first ?

 

Unique guy for sure, seems like a cool dude as well.   

[AmmoGuy]

3 hours ago, Kirtley Howe said:

Wrong video. He did not "jump" his boat. He rolled up a set of rollers that are built into the embankment. The rollers were constructed to allow anglers access to the "pond" he fished in. Very similar to using a lock to access a section of lake that you cannot directly boat into. (as in being blocked by a dam). The real question is if the pond he accessed was actually part of Lay Lake that was within the tournament boundaries. He felt it was. I agree with him. But BASS felt it was not....and it is their tournament, and their judgement that matters in the end.

 

In his very own words:

"Cause I jumped a little ole rollover dam"

 

I've heard him refer to "jumping" the d**n several times, but I've yet to see him describe using the rollers. 

[Kirtley Howe]

Just now, AmmoGuy said:

 

In his very own words:

"Cause I jumped a little ole rollover dam"

 

I've heard him refer to "jumping" the d**n several times, but I've yet to see him describe using the rollers. 

He also has videos of him "jumping a sand bar" on his Instagram, which show him sliding across a dry strip of land (sand) between two separate stretches of water, I think he uses "jumping" as a generic term for crossing an obstacle in his way. I could easily be wrong....doesn't much matter to me. In his first response video on facebook, he said he used rollers to get over the dam....again, I don't much care.

[AmmoGuy]

3 hours ago, Catt said:

 

Uhh! No! 

That's dry land not rollers, rollers are similar to the picture below.

 

 

Uhh! ?

 

From everything I've seen/heard, there's no evidence that he used the rollers at all. 

If you go back an look at my post edit, I linked another video. I'll link it again here. https://www.instagram.com/p/CrJlKB7r_E5/

 

Below is the satellite image of the "dam" in question. It would be awful hard to get a run-up on those rollers.  Instead, based on the IG video that IMO corresponds to that satellite image my theory is: 

 

Red line = Poche's "jumped" route across the dam. 

Black dot = The location of the person that filmed the IG video. 

Blue circle = You can see a blip of this structure in the last frame of the IG video. 

(the water level in the satellite image appears to be lower than in the IG video)

 

This is just my theory, for the sake of forum discussion. I have no hard evidence. 

 

17 minutes ago, Kirtley Howe said:

He also has videos of him "jumping a sand bar" on his Instagram, which show him sliding across a dry strip of land (sand) between two separate stretches of water, I think he uses "jumping" as a generic term for crossing an obstacle in his way. I could easily be wrong....doesn't much matter to me. In his first response video on facebook, he said he used rollers to get over the dam....again, I don't much care.

 

See my above response. 

 

I don't believe he mentions actually using the rollers in any of the currently available videos or podcasts. 

[Catt]

@AmmoGuy

 

Two issues 

First: B.A.S.S. is NOT questioning how Keith accessed the WMA. They are questioning if the WMA is part of Toledo Bend (tournament water).

 

Second: WMAs fall under a  separate set of law than Toledo Bend. TP&W agents may have a few questions for Keith especially if there is video evidence. The rollers are the for a reason!

[AmmoGuy]

22 minutes ago, Catt said:

@AmmoGuy

 

Two issues 

First: B.A.S.S. is NOT questioning how Keith accessed the WMA. They are questioning if the WMA is part of Toledo Bend (tournament water).

 

Second: WMAs fall under a  separate set of law than Toledo Bend. TP&W agents may have a few questions for Keith especially if there is video evidence. The rollers are the for a reason!

 

@Catt two issues with what? I think you're mistakenly interpreting my comment(s) as defense of Poche or his actions, and/or specific to the decision BASS made. I really couldn't care less about what rules are in question, etc. Him sending the dam, and the details surrounding it is just entertaining to me. 

 

However, in reference to the WMA, it has been reported in several places that the "impoundment" in question IS open to fishing, and that Poche had the necessary permits. I'm not sure what you're implying a game warden would take offense with? 

 

You said you'd "have to see that done" in reference to him jumping the dam, so I provided video, with fairly objective evidence that it is the area in question. 

 

[Catt]

18 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

several places that the "impoundment" in question IS open to fishing

 

That is correct but it may not be part of "tournament waters", which is the question.

 

19 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

I'm not sure what you're implying a game warden would take offense with?

 

I highly doubt you will find on TP&W website where it states access to the WMA is by road, rollers, or anywhere you can jump the levee.

 

22 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

You said you'd "have to see that done" in reference to him jumping the dam

 

I wanted to see him jump the rollers, I've fished that area several times by crossing the rollers.

[volzfan59]

2 minutes ago, Catt said:

I wanted to see him jump the rollers, I've fished that area several times by crossing the rollers.

Hey @Catt, Off topic a little, but I have never seen a "roller dam". How is one used? Are they even for public use? Thanks

[WIGuide]

21 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

 

Uhh! ?

 

From everything I've seen/heard, there's no evidence that he used the rollers at all. 

If you go back an look at my post edit, I linked another video. 

 

Below is the satellite image of the "dam" in question. It would be awful hard to get a run-up on those rollers.  Instead, based on the IG video that IMO corresponds to that satellite image my theory is: 

 

Red line = Poche's "jumped" route across the dam. 

Black dot = The location of the person the filmed the IG video. 

Blue circle = You can see a blip of this structure in the last frame of the IG video. 

I don't think this sand bar is the dam in question. It doesn't line up the same with what we're seeing in the screen shot and if your black dot is where the camera is the boat is passing on the opposite side of where you're showing its path on your scree shot.

 

Being open to public fishing and being part of tournament waters are not synonymous. Take a look at the  situation below, these two lakes are open to public fishing there's no law preventing fishing on either one. However, if you have a tournament on one, "tournament waters" would only include one lake as they aren't connected. You can't cast across the road and drag fish from one to the other, you cant jump the road and fish in the other lake and jump back either. 

How much of any of this is clarified in the pre tournament meeting, I'm unsure as I wasn't there, but I've fished in enough tournaments (BASS affiliated) and not, to know you're made fully aware of how to contact the tournament director if you have any questions, that's what they're there for. I have nothing against Keith's style but his "defending the truth" to me in this case seems more like an "I screwed up" and not wanting to own up to it.