Double uni knot users?

[Jig Man]

I quit using braid with a leader several years ago.  I believe that I need to use it again because of the way bass are striking my Keitech swim baits.  I am going to use 8# fluorocarbon leader and I have braid that is very close to the same diameter.  It’s been a long time since I’ve done this.  My question is will 5 wraps be sufficient.  If not, then how many do I need?

[Kyle S]

5-6 wraps is what I typically do on my uni-uni leader knots. I'd be willing to bet that 5 wraps will work nicely for you?

[PhishLI]

I go 8-9 per side with the same diameter line. No problemo.

[BigAngus752]

Alberto!   Not to be contrary but....well...Alberto. 

[Dwight Hottle]

I use 7 wraps just to be on the safe side. 

[Jig Man]

Well I put 5 wraps on.  I plan to go back tomorrow.  If I find fish I should know if 5 will be enough.   Thanks for the info guys.

 

About the Alberto,  I’ve used it.  It was never my favorite.

[SWVA]

I never count the wraps anymore.  I just put however many I can with the line I’ve pulled out.  Usually ends up 7-10.

 

Always used 6 before and never had issues, I’d say you’ll be fine with 5.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

For line that light you go 6 wraps for FC and at least 7 for PE.

I do recommend you learn the Alberto.  When tied and trimmed correctly its a superior knot.

[Jig Man]

31 minutes ago, GetFishorDieTryin said:

For line that light you go 6 wraps for FC and at least 7 for PE.

I do recommend you learn the Alberto.  When tied and trimmed correctly its a superior knot.

Like stated I used it as well as the Albright.

[throttleplate]

10 wraps

[GetFishorDieTryin]

3 hours ago, Jig Man said:

Like stated I used it as well as the Albright.

I just responded to the question asked without reading the entire thread.  Hope you have better luck with the uni uni.

[treble hook]

19 hours ago, BigAngus752 said:

Alberto!   Not to be contrary but....well...Alberto. 

I switched to the Alberto too. It is fast and easy and it has served me well.

[Jig Man]

I’m not asserting that it isn’t a good knot.  I found it to be a pain to tie in the boat.  So I have no plans to revisit that situation.

[A-Jay]

@Jig Man 

As a long time uni-to uni knot user and abuser, I recommend it.

It's plenty strong, reasonably durable and most importantly

easy to tie; which promoted replacing when needed.

If a knots a PIA, folks seem to fish them too long #failure.

5-6 wraps always does fine for me in the tests you've listed in the OP.

In the below clip, After releasing a nasty pike with a bad disposition. I replaced my leader. 

https://youtu.be/S_Owp6ZVN0U?t=1788

A-Jay

[Hammer 4]

A long time ago, when I was using leaders, I would throw 6" Hudds on 40 lb braid, with a 12 lb leader, the knot I used was a double uni, consisting of 6 wraps per side. Never had any issues. And believe me, I was bombing that Hudd.

[Jig Man]

Thanks for the responses.  I used my braid with leader and think my hookup ratio increased.  I will definitely give it some more time.  5 wraps worked just fine.

[Bankc]

If 5 worked, then it worked.  Though typically, I start off with 5 minimum, and increase the wraps with thinner diameter lines.  With 8# fluoro and equivalent diameter braid, I'd probably go for around 6-7 wraps.  More important for the braided side than the fluoro side.  Around 12# and above is where I hit the 5 wraps minimum.  

[Dangerfield]

I prefer the Double Uni because as many have said I can do it efficiently and correctly on the water, extra tricky on a kayak. I was using the blood knot for a while but never on the water, I've tried the Alberto and had a few break-offs at the knot which is probably user error or burned line.

 

5 wraps is the minimum for heavier line and with lighter line, I usually add a couple of extra wraps

[bulldog1935]

I reserve double uni for similar size lines of the Same MOC.  

With braid-to-braid, I can make as few as 3 to 4 wraps.  

Mono/fluoro stiffness requires 5.  

On dissimilar lines, the smaller braid tends to cut through the bend in the thicker mono - even smaller mono will cut through thicker mono.    

https://www.fishing.org/knots/double-uni-knot

Those who have mentioned triple surgeon's knot (maybe another thread?), it's a very good knot both for varied diameter and mixed MOC in a quick pinch - even works with single-strand titanium wire.  

 

There's a fine line between fastidious and A-R that certainly gets crossed on this thread...

If you want something to argue about, pick "USDM", which has a definition, but it has no meaning, because that would assume reels sold in the USM are something other than imports.  Domestic = made at home.  

[Steveo-1969]

I use a uni-to-uni connection knot because I needed something I could easily tie while standing in the river 100 feet from shore. 
 

I want both knots the same size but also small enough to easily go through the guides. My leader gets 3 wraps and then the braid gets 5 or 6. With the diameters I use this gets both knots about the same size. I’ve never had one fail, even with big fish in current or pulling heavy branches to me. I haven’t found more wraps necessary for me.

[J Francho]

A double uni is a uni knot with the line doubled up. What we're talking about in this thread is a back to back uni or uni to uni connection knot. It's important to get the terminology right. 
 

I used a uni to uni connection for years with great results until they started failing. I couldn't really put my finger on why, so I started using a triple surgeon's knot on light line and then learned the Crazy Alberto and never looked back. YMMV. 

[MickD]

With my rods all having very small guides the double uni is too large when I use the leader pound test that I like, about 15, so I went to the Alberto.  And had unexplainable failures with the knot unravelling when aggressively jigging or snapping.  It would come loose on a slack line; it was not breaking.  Even when I was very sure I was tying it correctly, with the tag end going back out correctly.  I started finishing it with two half hitches and problem solved.  

 

It is easy to tie if you start with the leader loop/braid pinched in one hand and wrap out away from the pinch 7 wraps.  Then switch hands and pinch just out from the wraps with the other hand.  And wrap with the free hand back out towards the leader loop, feed the tag out through, wet, and pull tight.  Really set it hard.  Then tie the braid tag tight to the knot with two half hitches, also pulled tight.  

[Aaron_H]

20 hours ago, J Francho said:

A double uni is a uni knot with the line doubled up. What we're talking about in this thread is a back to back uni or uni to uni connection knot. It's important to get the terminology right.

 

If you do a google search for double uni knot, and go to images, 19 of the first 21 results show a line to line connection, only 2 show it as a single uni with the line doubled.

 

Not arguing with you, it could simply be a regional dialect issue, but I personally have only heard people refer to the knot in the OP as a double uni.

 

@OP, you've already got great testimony that I can't improve on. I am a religious user of the knot for both freshwater and saltwater applications, no issues when properly tied.

[J Francho]

2 hours ago, Aaron_H said:

Not arguing with you, it could simply be a regional dialect issue

It's not a regional dialect issue, but more of misappropriation of common terminology that's been around for decades by young social media influencers.  See flipping, cover, structure, squarebills, Texas rigs, etc.  It's all over the place now.  Google isn't the source of record for info, rather it reflects trends, whether right or wrong, in terminology usage on the internet.

 

It's not a hill I'll die on, but I will offer the proper terms when incorrectly used.  What the reader does with that is up to them and out of my control.

[OkobojiEagle]

8 hours ago, Aaron_H said:

 

If you do a google search for double uni knot, and go to images, 19 of the first 21 results show a line to line connection, only 2 show it as a single uni with the line doubled.

 

hmmm... 19 of 21 internet search results being wrong?... seems about right.