Karens & Kens confronting you when fishing!

[WIGuide]

On 4/9/2023 at 7:05 PM, TnRiver46 said:

I’d like to see an insurance man calculate the damage a 1/2 jig causes to a pontoon boat. I mean what maybe 35 cents worth? Heck if you broke the jig off around the steering wheel, you are out more than the homeowner. This stupidity walks all over me 

I don't get it either. It's part of the risk of leaving anything out in a public place. I know full well my dock may be hit by any number of lures. Not a big deal, none of them will do any damage. The only offence I'd take to someone fishing my dock is if I'm on it and fishing. Otherwise, have at it.

[A-Jay]

On 4/10/2023 at 11:11 AM, Darnold335 said:

Well they say you can teach common sense. 

Perfect.

A-Jay

[gim]

1 hour ago, WIGuide said:

It's part of the risk of leaving anything out in a public place. I know full well my dock may be hit by any number of lures. Not a big deal, none of them will do any damage.

Until it does cause damage.  What if you hook something soft and it gets ripped?  I'm just speculating here, but I think the point is that us as bass anglers need to respect private property which does include someone's dock, posts, lifts, pontoons, and whatever else is present.  There is a very fine line between being able to skip a lure under a dock or a lift without physically having your lure touch that stuff.  You aren't going to convince me that anyone other than a professional is able to do that 100% of the time either.  I'm pretty freaking good at it and I still do it because I still make mistakes.  But I avoid docks with people on them, so when it happens, there just isn't any confrontation.

 

The damage may be minimal to the person's private property, but you never know when that disgruntled Karen or Ken is going to come running out swearing and threatening you.  That's just trouble I don't need.  Most lakeshore owners are not bass anglers, and many of them don't fish at all, so they aren't going to see your side of the story.  Most of the lakes I fish with docks have dozens of them.

 

Trouble doesn't exist until you go looking for it.

[thunderblack]

I've been yelled at for unhooking my line from a dock post all the way up to "you need a flag on your paddle boat so I can see you while you fish".  Been on a lake all my life and ever time I think I've seen/heard it all there's a new story. The guys that think they own a portion of the lake are always a good laugh. It takes a lot sometimes to just bite your tongue and keep fishing. Some people are worried about their boat canopy covers but on July 4th shoot 1000 fireworks all over them. Make it make sense. 

[WIGuide]

3 hours ago, gimruis said:

Until it does cause damage.  What if you hook something soft and it gets ripped?  I'm just speculating here, but I think the point is that us as bass anglers need to respect private property which does include someone's dock, posts, lifts, pontoons, and whatever else is present.  There is a very fine line between being able to skip a lure under a dock or a lift without physically having your lure touch that stuff.  You aren't going to convince me that anyone other than a professional is able to do that 100% of the time either.  I'm pretty freaking good at it and I still do it because I still make mistakes.  But I avoid docks with people on them, so when it happens, there just isn't any confrontation.

 

The damage may be minimal to the person's private property, but you never know when that disgruntled Karen or Ken is going to come running out swearing and threatening you.  That's just trouble I don't need.  Most lakeshore owners are not bass anglers, and many of them don't fish at all, so they aren't going to see your side of the story.  Most of the lakes I fish with docks have dozens of them.

 

Trouble doesn't exist until you go looking for it.

What are people keeping on their docks over there that's so soft it'll rip if a bait touches it? It's not disrespecting property to fish around it. People are human and they make errant casts, it happens, life goes on. It's not like anyone is intentionally going around trying to ricochet their tungsten weight off of everyone's stuff to try to damage it.  I see it similar to parking your vehicle right next to a driving range and freaking out if a golf ball hits it. Whoever was practicing their game didn't mean to hit it, but it happened. You have to accept some responsibility too for picking a stupid spot to park. 

[gim]

50 minutes ago, WIGuide said:

I see it similar to parking your vehicle right next to a driving range and freaking out if a golf ball hits it. Whoever was practicing their game didn't mean to hit it, but it happened. You have to accept some responsibility too for picking a stupid spot to park. 

I agree, and that is why I do not park there.  Or in a foul ball area at a ball park.  Or in an area behind an outdoor hockey rink.  I'm the guy that parks in the spot the farthest away from the door as possible to avoid door dings too.  I have some element of control over these "accidents," so I am going to control it.

[Way north bass guy]

7 hours ago, Darnold335 said:

I have read and reread them. You cannot tell me the water is not Navigable if I can in fact navigate  through it. It does not say must pass at slow no wake speed. It says to maintain a safe speed while under control. Safe speeds are determined by conditions and draft of boat.  I also am not blowing by people and only giving them 5’ from my boat to them.  If I can power down I will. I will not risk everyone’s safety by getting off plane when I 100% need to be on it. They will get wake but, I give as much room as I safely can.  
 

There is a reason why most fishermen,  all fire rescue boats, all game commission and Fish and  all boat commission run jets in the river. It’s the only way to safely and continually navigate the river. 

You do realize @A-Jay literally made a career out of being in the coast guard right? 
I’m not saying I know all the rules about this particular thing ( I don’t have a jet boat and don’t run rivers or other areas in that manner), but I’m pretty sure he knows a thing or two about the subject. 

7 hours ago, Darnold335 said:

[Woody B]

I didn't have a good day fishing today, but a dock/land owner made me smile.  I had just caught my only bass of the day.  The land owner came down to his dock and asked how I was doing.  I told him I had only caught 1 but that was way better than none.  He had a pontoon on a boat lift.  He asked if it was OK if he lowered his boat now.  He said he didn't want to spook the fish.   Probably the nicest guy I've ever met on the lake.   

[Susky River Rat]

22 minutes ago, Way north bass guy said:

You do realize @A-Jay literally made a career out of being in the coast guard right? 
I’m not saying I know all the rules about this particular thing ( I don’t have a jet boat and don’t run rivers or other areas in that manner), but I’m pretty sure he knows a thing or two about the subject. 

I didn’t know that. I am also pretty sure these are way different circumstances than he has encountered. I respect what he did. Till you experience the way you have to run the river here it’s easy to say go slow. 

[Glenn]

On 4/10/2023 at 5:14 PM, gimruis said:

Well at least it wasn't Glenn that took a nose dive.

 

@Glenn can you confirm this?

It wasn't me.  It was some college-age dude riding too fast for his skills.  Dang near face-planted!

 

[slonezp]

7 hours ago, gimruis said:

Until it does cause damage.  What if you hook something soft and it gets ripped?  I'm just speculating here, but I think the point is that us as bass anglers need to respect private property which does include someone's dock, posts, lifts, pontoons, and whatever else is present.  There is a very fine line between being able to skip a lure under a dock or a lift without physically having your lure touch that stuff.  You aren't going to convince me that anyone other than a professional is able to do that 100% of the time either.  I'm pretty freaking good at it and I still do it because I still make mistakes.  But I avoid docks with people on them, so when it happens, there just isn't any confrontation.

 

The damage may be minimal to the person's private property, but you never know when that disgruntled Karen or Ken is going to come running out swearing and threatening you.  That's just trouble I don't need.  Most lakeshore owners are not bass anglers, and many of them don't fish at all, so they aren't going to see your side of the story.  Most of the lakes I fish with docks have dozens of them.

 

Trouble doesn't exist until you go looking for it.

Don't buy property on a lake

 

I've had confrontations with 2 "Karens" I believe the male version is called a "Terry" One was on Lake Michigan with my son. Kid was young and we were shore fishing from docks in a marina . A boater that leased a slip came out and told us we needed to leave. We were fishing in his backyard. My son and I moved to a different set of docks. "Terry" did not want us there and the harbor master threw us out. Second time I already mentioned. I feel bad for folks that are miserable

 

[gim]

7 minutes ago, slonezp said:

Don't buy property on a lake

 

I've had confrontations with 2 "Karens" I believe the male version is called a "Terry" One was on Lake Michigan with my son. Kid was young and we were shore fishing from docks in a marina . A boater that leased a slip came out and told us we needed to leave. We were fishing in his backyard. My son and I moved to a different set of docks. "Terry" did not want us there and the harbor master threw us out. Second time I already mentioned. I feel bad for folks that are miserable

 

I personally don't think most lakeshore owners are of this type.  I think its just a few disgruntled ones that stand out.  For every disgruntled one, there's probably 20 that are like the nice @Woody B encountered today.

[12poundbass]

Either I’ve been very lucky or the lakes I fish have very nice people who live on them. 
 

My experience thus far:

 

People don’t pay attention 

They ask how the fishing is

or

They tell us where the fish are 

 

I did have a run in with a homeowner on the lake we just moved from. When I was running my boat on our lake he went to the association president to complain about me creating too much of a wake and eroding his shore. I went and confronted him, things got pretty heated. I explained the laws, that I was well beyond the distance required by law, and I had it all on GPS and he was more than welcome to call the DNR or marine patrol. I finally got through to him and we eventually parted ways shaking hands.

 

That has been my only negative experience on the water and it wasn’t even fishing related. He always complained about the boat traffic on that lake. 

[thediscochef]

On 4/10/2023 at 3:42 PM, Darth-Baiter said:

she offered me a weekend room and a case of wine, which i politely and graciously decline.  sadly she now has my number.  dang it.  

shoulda taken the wine at least, for those days when that number pops up...

[smitmon]

Reading your post regarding Karens and Kens brought to mind an incident on Lk Washington years ago.

While fishing a cove North of the I-90 bridge with Mark W. we encountered a man who after yelling at us to get away from his dock started driving golf balls at us hitting the boat once. After threating him with calling the police, which had no effect, Mark did exactly that.  Soon a King County Deputy arrived and after hearing our story and seeing the golf ball which we produced, he berated the homeowner and advised him to cease and desist or face possible charges.  All in all a funny situation which was worth the wait for the deputy to see the expression on the homeowners face as the Deputy Sheriff "counseled" him.

[Woody B]

I've been hesitant to tell about this, but I just have to.  Last summer I was fishing near a dock.  A young lady came walking down to the dock carrying a towel.  She asked how I was doing.  I told her how many I had caught.  She said "do you mind if I take my top off?"    She took her top off and said "do you like these, I just got them"  while shaking her chest.   I said "they look great".  If I were single I would have asked to feel them.    She placed the towel on the dock, and laid on it face down, I suppose to get some sun on her back.   

 

I wouldn't consider her a Karen though.   

[Bird]

24 minutes ago, Woody B said:

I've been hesitant to tell about this, but I just have to.  Last summer I was fishing near a dock.  A young lady came walking down to the dock carrying a towel.  She asked how I was doing.  I told her how many I had caught.  She said "do you mind if I take my top off?"    She took her top off and said "do you like these, I just got them"  while shaking her chest.   I said "they look great".  If I were single I would have asked to feel them.    She placed the towel on the dock, and laid on it face down, I suppose to get some sun on her back.   

 

I wouldn't consider her a Karen though.   

That certainly seems to be non confrontational but perhaps a subtle way of distracting you from catching fish off her dock. ?

[AlabamaSpothunter]

52 minutes ago, Woody B said:

I've been hesitant to tell about this, but I just have to.  Last summer I was fishing near a dock.  A young lady came walking down to the dock carrying a towel.  She asked how I was doing.  I told her how many I had caught.  She said "do you mind if I take my top off?"    She took her top off and said "do you like these, I just got them"  while shaking her chest.   I said "they look great".  If I were single I would have asked to feel them.    She placed the towel on the dock, and laid on it face down, I suppose to get some sun on her back.   

 

I wouldn't consider her a Karen though.   

Woody, she's the anti-Karen, where are all these women on my homelake ?

[MN Fisher]

36 minutes ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

Woody, she's the anti-Karen, where are all these women on my homelake ?

They're up here...kind of

 

Out in the canoe a few years back when a kayak pulls up and the gal in it asks me the time. I check my phone and tell here, and she paddles off

 

If her microkini had more than 3 square inches of cloth I'd be surprised...and she twernt a skinny gal either.

[Swamp Girl]

3 hours ago, Woody B said:

I've been hesitant to tell about this, but I just have to.  Last summer I was fishing near a dock.  A young lady came walking down to the dock carrying a towel.  She asked how I was doing.  I told her how many I had caught.  She said "do you mind if I take my top off?"    She took her top off and said "do you like these, I just got them"  while shaking her chest.   I said "they look great".  If I were single I would have asked to feel them.    She placed the towel on the dock, and laid on it face down, I suppose to get some sun on her back.   

 

I wouldn't consider her a Karen though.   

 

Ah, now I understand your screen name. 

 

2 hours ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

Woody, she's the anti-Karen, where are all these women on my homelake ?

 

Alex, they're actually on every other dock, all waiting patiently for you, but you. are. just. so. focused. on. catching. that double D, which btw, is at every other dock. 

 

Moderators, feel free to delete my comment. I'll understand if you do. 

[AlabamaSpothunter]

4 minutes ago, ol'crickety said:

 

Ah, now I understand your screen name. 

 

 

Alex, they're actually on every other dock, all waiting patiently for you, but you. are. just. so. focused. on. catching. that double D, which btw, is at every other dock. 

 

Moderators, feel free to delete my comment. I'll understand if you do. 

A true gem you are Katie...lol is used to much but that made me lol ??

[Crappiebasser]

I’ve seen both sides of this. I’ve had people ask me not to fish their docks and I just move on. I’ve also seen an angler rip a hole in my neighbors tritoon cover because he missed his cast by 10’. 

 

Personally I don’t skip a dock from any angle that could hit a boat. If a slip is occupied I may skip the outside of the dock but avoid the slip. I am miss out on a few fish but its better than risking damaging someone else’s property.

[ironbjorn]

4 hours ago, Woody B said:

I've been hesitant to tell about this, but I just have to.  Last summer I was fishing near a dock.  A young lady came walking down to the dock carrying a towel.  She asked how I was doing.  I told her how many I had caught.  She said "do you mind if I take my top off?"    She took her top off and said "do you like these, I just got them"  while shaking her chest.   I said "they look great".  If I were single I would have asked to feel them.    She placed the towel on the dock, and laid on it face down, I suppose to get some sun on her back.   

 

I wouldn't consider her a Karen though.   

Some guys have all the luck.

[Darth-Baiter]

Woody!!!  hahha

 

i would have asked her when how long until she needed to sun the other side.

[ATA]