Karens & Kens confronting you when fishing!

[the reel ess]

  On 4/10/2023 at 3:28 PM, Alex from GA said:

The only place I've ran into them is on the rivers.  "Get off my property, where did you launch, I'm going to call the sheriff, ect".

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In SC a man went to prison for shooting and killing someone who refused the leave the sandbar in front of the man's property. Here the waterline up to high water, whatever that may be, is public. If they were standing on a sandbar, water wasn't very high. And it wasn't the man's sandbar.

[AlabamaSpothunter]

  On 4/10/2023 at 4:15 PM, Alpster said:

1982 in Amite Louisiana I was working on 500KV power transmission line across the state. It was the biggest in the US at the time. We passed this guys property every day. He had a beautiful small lake. I stopped and asked to fish it sometime. He exploded and threatened to shoot, call police, etc. if we were caught there. He also noticed my company's survey truck I was driving and was very curious about what was happening with the power line. Long story short, we stopped by about once a week to update him on the power line & chew the fat and I learned in passing that he was fond of cheese crackers and Mountain Dew. We continued to stop by about once a week and would happen to have a cold Mountain Dew and some cheese crackers. It took almost a year to convince the old man to let us fish his pond. I caught my PB in that little lake and I still haven't beat it 40 years later. Better to call a truce than win the war sometimes.

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That's epic, loved reading it! 

[Bankc]

  On 4/10/2023 at 2:55 PM, Darnold335 said:

He told me I am the give way vessel. I said true under certain circumstances. Fishing is not one of them. I also can not always come off plane it is unsafe for me to do so in the shallow river. I can run in 3-6” of water. I cannot come off plane in 3-6” of water. I really feel like it should be mandatory for kayakers to take a safety course.

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I bet they'll tell you in that safety course not to enter waters that you can't safely navigate.  If it's unsafe for you to slow down, and you can't navigate it at slower speeds, you probably shouldn't be there in the first place.  

[TnRiver46]

  On 4/10/2023 at 8:11 PM, Bankc said:

I bet they'll tell you in that safety course not to enter waters that you can't safely navigate.  If it's unsafe for you to slow down, and you can't navigate it at slower speeds, you probably shouldn't be there in the first place.  

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He drives a jet boat 

[Susky River Rat]

  On 4/10/2023 at 8:11 PM, Bankc said:

I bet they'll tell you in that safety course not to enter waters that you can't safely navigate.  If it's unsafe for you to slow down, and you can't navigate it at slower speeds, you probably shouldn't be there in the first place.  

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a boat constrained by their draft is the stand on boat in a situation. So this means I need to stay on plane as to keep safe control of my boat in shallow water.

[Darth-Baiter]

  On 4/10/2023 at 4:15 PM, Alpster said:

1982 in Amite Louisiana I was working on 500KV power transmission line across the state. It was the biggest in the US at the time. We passed this guys property every day. He had a beautiful small lake. I stopped and asked to fish it sometime. He exploded and threatened to shoot, call police, etc. if we were caught there. He also noticed my company's survey truck I was driving and was very curious about what was happening with the power line. Long story short, we stopped by about once a week to update him on the power line & chew the fat and I learned in passing that he was fond of cheese crackers and Mountain Dew. We continued to stop by about once a week and would happen to have a cold Mountain Dew and some cheese crackers. It took almost a year to convince the old man to let us fish his pond. I caught my PB in that little lake and I still haven't beat it 40 years later. Better to call a truce than win the war sometimes.

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love this story!!!

 

along the same lines.  there is a lady that manages a Boojie winery.  she is an absolute beast.  everyone avoids her.  somehow she got my phone number.   i was "yes maam, no maam".  and i got a crew to clear out a drainage inlet in half an hour.  she called me and asked me how did i get it done so fast.  i replied, "i felt that this was very important for you, so i dropped everything"  hahahhahah.. all the maintenence guys were so happy she was yelling in my ear, and not theirs, they helped me, and helped me quickly.  

 

she offered me a weekend room and a case of wine, which i politely and graciously decline.  sadly she now has my number.  dang it.  

 

but yea..i like your last sentence.  i wasnt about to waste energy, when i could find her some help.  i dont have to win all the arguements.  

[ironbjorn]

  On 4/10/2023 at 4:15 PM, Alpster said:

1982 in Amite Louisiana I was working on 500KV power transmission line across the state. It was the biggest in the US at the time. We passed this guys property every day. He had a beautiful small lake. I stopped and asked to fish it sometime. He exploded and threatened to shoot, call police, etc. if we were caught there. He also noticed my company's survey truck I was driving and was very curious about what was happening with the power line. Long story short, we stopped by about once a week to update him on the power line & chew the fat and I learned in passing that he was fond of cheese crackers and Mountain Dew. We continued to stop by about once a week and would happen to have a cold Mountain Dew and some cheese crackers. It took almost a year to convince the old man to let us fish his pond. I caught my PB in that little lake and I still haven't beat it 40 years later. Better to call a truce than win the war sometimes.

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You've got a giant sack to fish where you'd previously been threatened with a gun.

[galyonj]

  On 4/10/2023 at 2:58 PM, TnRiver46 said:

Heck we were dead center Tennessee river where barges run 

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Kayakers are the bicyclists of the river. 

[TnRiver46]

  On 4/10/2023 at 10:56 PM, galyonj said:

 

Kayakers are the bicyclists of the river. 

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Hey I’m a kayaker don’t go that far ? 

  On 4/10/2023 at 10:38 PM, ironbjorn said:

You've got a giant sack to fish where you'd previously been threatened with a gun.

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The people like he described have low odds of being murderers 

[gim]

So kayakers with an electric motor would be the electric scooters of the river then?

 

[TnRiver46]

  On 4/10/2023 at 11:48 PM, gimruis said:

So kayakers with an electric motor would be the electric scooters of the river then?

 

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I was giving Glenn a ride back to his hotel and that exact same scene unfolded right in front of us haha

[Woody B]

  On 4/10/2023 at 4:15 PM, the reel ess said:

In SC a man went to prison for shooting and killing someone who refused the leave the sandbar in front of the man's property.

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SC's castle doctrine only covers buildings with a roof and 4 walls.   It's illegal to use deadly force on a trespasser that isn't assaulting you.   (The castle doctrine also covers vehicles, but only when you're inside it.)

 

So, ponds were mentioned.  When I was 12 ish a man with a shot gun ran me and my cousin off from his pond.  The man was the owner of the first car dealership I worked at.  When I applied for the job (6 years later) he said "you was fishing in my pond."

 

 

 

 

[Bird]

  On 4/10/2023 at 11:50 AM, Darnold335 said:

I am thankful I do not have to deal with the dock issues like that. I do however run into a lot of kayakers who think I need to get out of their way while I’m fishing.

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Now this is something I don't quite understand.

Kayakers will paddle past between my boat and the bank that I'm fishing as if they want to stay away from deep water.  Lol 

[gim]

  On 4/11/2023 at 12:02 AM, TnRiver46 said:

I was giving Glenn a ride back to his hotel and that exact same scene unfolded right in front of us haha

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Well at least it wasn't Glenn that took a nose dive.

 

@Glenn can you confirm this?

[ironbjorn]

  On 4/10/2023 at 10:56 PM, galyonj said:

 

Kayakers are the bicyclists of the river. 

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It's super illegal to hit someone on a bike, the burden is on the driver. So if it's equivalent boaters beware.

[Fishin Dad]

I have been very fortunate to not have had any bad interactions yet, and we skip docks A LOT.   I feel very fortunate.   If people are around their dock, I am respectful and move past with a nice greeting.  Most of the time they ask how the fishing is.  I have stopped and dropped my poles and had great conversations with people for a long time.  Knock on wood.  Must be Minnesota nice or something. 

[the reel ess]

  On 4/11/2023 at 12:10 AM, Woody B said:

 

SC's castle doctrine only covers buildings with a roof and 4 walls.   It's illegal to use deadly force on a trespasser that isn't assaulting you.   (The castle doctrine also covers vehicles, but only when you're inside it.)

 

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There was no trespassing. It wasn't even his property he shot the man over because navigable waters are public up to a high water mark. Navigable means you can float any vessel down it. I've probably kayaked on some creeks that were marginally navigable. Never encountered a landowner, but I have seen campsites and obvious fishing spots.

[Susky River Rat]

  On 4/11/2023 at 12:11 AM, Bird said:

Now this is something I don't quite understand.

Kayakers will paddle past between my boat and the bank that I'm fishing as if they want to stay away from deep water.  Lol 

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I’m convinced they like to be no more than 10ft off the bank no matter what is in their way. 

[slowworm]

  On 4/10/2023 at 8:38 PM, Darnold335 said:

a boat constrained by their draft is the stand on boat in a situation. So this means I need to stay on plane as to keep safe control of my boat in shallow water.

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I don't believe that applies to boats on plane.  My understanding is that draft applies to boats running displacement.  So a sailboat with a deep keel under power is constrained by the draft of the keel. Jetboat on plane doesn't count. 

 

I would like to know the magic that tells me, when I have the right of way, that a jet boat of similar size is draft constrained and is not going to yield.  

[Susky River Rat]

How does this not apply to being on plane?  It also states being at a safe speed to safety control your vessel. I cannot come off plane in shallow water. Period. I will cause damage to my boat and quite possibly throw myself or co angler out of the boat. I can run on plane over areas off plane I would be stuck. This is a far different circumstance then a propped boat being on plane.

[A-Jay]

You are interpreting 'the rules' incorrectly.

Choosing to operate any vessel at a high rate of speed, and or in non navigable waters,

does not free one of the responsibility of following the navigational rules. 

In fact, it could be considered negligent operation. 

There's more to it and it's too much too quote here.

Re-read the most current Nav Rules handbook before it's too late.

A-Jay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alpster]

  On 4/10/2023 at 10:38 PM, ironbjorn said:

You've got a giant sack to fish where you'd previously been threatened with a gun.

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He may have reacted poorly when we were strangers, but after a year of relationship building, I felt pretty safe and was welcomed to the lake. BTW, death defying courage is not one of my character traits. LOL ?

[Troy85]

I haven't really had anything to exciting.  I guess the worst one was during a team tournament, and it wasn't really a confrontation, just the other team practicing bad etiquette.   My brother and I had an early draw so we were the first to this bayou. We were trolling up the bayou fishing the bank.  After fishing about 5 minutes another boat from the tournament comes up on us, slows down and idles past me.  He gets just to about my max casting distance and drops his trolling motor and starts fishing right in front of us going the same direction.  My brother is a little more confrontational than I am so he was about to say something.  I stopped him and I was like, we can catch fish behind these clowns.  So thats what we did.  We didn't win the tournament, but we beat that team by about 4 pounds, so I consider that day a win. haha

[Darth-Baiter]

  On 4/10/2023 at 10:56 PM, galyonj said:

 

Kayakers are the bicyclists of the river. 

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as a kayaker, i can see the parallel.  hahahha.. (i could make the arguement that only a Karen/Ken would make that comment, tho :D) i am more fit than most of the boaters i see around me.  they always comment, "that looks exhausting".  i'm glad bass boats cant "roll coal".

 

i am effen courteous. i take note which way the boater is fishing and pass accordingly.  maybe even get verbal confirmation.  

[Susky River Rat]

  On 4/11/2023 at 1:32 PM, A-Jay said:

You are interpreting 'the rules' incorrectly.

Choosing to operate any vessel at a high rate of speed, and or in non navigable waters,

does not free one of the responsibility of following the navigational rules. 

In fact, it could be considered negligent operation. 

There's more to it and it's too much too quote here.

Re-read the most current Nav Rules handbook before it's too late.

A-Jay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have read and reread them. You cannot tell me the water is not Navigable if I can in fact navigate  through it. It does not say must pass at slow no wake speed. It says to maintain a safe speed while under control. Safe speeds are determined by conditions and draft of boat.  I also am not blowing by people and only giving them 5’ from my boat to them.  If I can power down I will. I will not risk everyone’s safety by getting off plane when I 100% need to be on it. They will get wake but, I give as much room as I safely can.  
 

There is a reason why most fishermen,  all fire rescue boats, all game commission and Fish and  all boat commission run jets in the river. It’s the only way to safely and continually navigate the river.