Is the Shimano Stradic 1000 much smaller in profile than the 2500?

[Ohioguy25]

I’m looking for a good creeking reel to replace my Sahara 1000 which is the perfect size on a 5’ UL.

 

Also, what is a good rod in the 5’ range to upgrade from a Triumph? I see the Legend  line doesn’t go that small. Thx!

[a1712]

Yes. Brian. 

[MN Fisher]

Across the board, a 1000 frame is smaller than a 2500.

 

29 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Also, what is a good rod in the 5’ range to upgrade from a Triumph? I see the Legend  line doesn’t go that small. Thx!

Premier, Trout, and Panfish series would all be upgrades from a Triumph. Anything above those are primarily longer bass rods...with the exception of the Salmon and Steelhead series which are designated as trolling rods.

 

[PressuredFishing]

 yes

 

St croix rod is classic, usdm market doesn't have a great selection of UL rods, because bass industry gets too much attention. Jdm has lot more options

 

Diawa presso is moderate fast but good quality usdm.

 

Soare xr is beautiful rod if you schill out the dough for it.

 

 

 

[bloom]

2500 size would be too big for a 5 ft UL

St Croix trout panfish series

[Ohioguy25]

2 hours ago, bloom said:

2500 size would be too big for a 5 ft UL

St Croix trout panfish series

?? I know, that’s why I’m asking if 1000 is smaller.....

[Hulkster]

I would check out the new Loomis GCX Lite rods there is a whole lineup of light and UL rods

 

Loomis UL rods have always been great as they have true fast actions. Ive owned a few over the years. Most of the St. Croix UL rods were way too whippy for me. 

 

I prefer longer UL rods though. I have the TSR791 which is the Loomis trout rod (now discontinued replaced with the GCX Lite) and its a 6'7 rod. 

[MickD]

I suggest you try longer UL rods.  Much better for hook sets and casting distance.  

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Is the smaller reel smaller? Yes.

[Dwight Hottle]

1 hour ago, Ohioguy25 said:

?? I know, that’s why I’m asking if 1000 is smaller.....

 

Your Sahara 1000 would be the same size as a Stradic 1000 & both are much smaller than a Shimano 2500 series reel. 

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1) If 2 reels have the same gear ratio and one has a IPT of 30 and the other 35, what is the difference in size of the spools? Show all work, partial credit given.

 

Extra credit: What is the difference in weight between the 2 reels?

 

 

ITEM CODE	MONO LINE CAPACITY (#TEST/YD)	WEIGHT (OZ)	BEARINGS	GEAR RATIO	RETRIEVE PER CRANK (IN)	POWERPRO BRAID (LB/YDS)	MAX DRAG (LB)
ST1000HGFL	2/270, 4/160, 6/110	6.5	6+1	6.0:1	30	10/95, 15/75, 20/65	7
ST2500HGFL	6/200, 8/140, 10/120	7.9	6+1	6.0:1	35	10/150, 15/145, 30/100	20

[Ohioguy25]

1 hour ago, MickD said:

I suggest you try longer UL rods.  Much better for hook sets and casting distance.  

How long would you go for a creek rod? I’m not talking small rivers, I’m talking like the crick running through your grandma’s backyard that is inches deep with the occasional 1-2 ft hole with a little smallie or rock bass hangin out. 

[bloom]

6 cranks of the handle gives 30 or 35 inches. 5 inches difference divided by the 6 wraps around the spool=.83333 inches circumferance bigger on the 2500.  I'm not sure on the math so I don't know.  I bet loomis has some awesome ultra lights. 

I usually use longer UL rods but for tight little brushy creeks I can see the advantage of a 5 footer.

[garroyo130]

6 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

How long would you go for a creek rod? I’m not talking small rivers, I’m talking like the crick running through your grandma’s backyard that is inches deep with the occasional 1-2 ft hole with a little smallie or rock bass hangin out. 

 

When you get into true ultralight weights (casting 1/32 or so), idk that rod length really makes that much of a difference. Also hook sets really shouldn't be an issue since you'll be fishing fine wire/small hooks. 

 

If you're looking to upgrade from the Triumph, go JDM. While you're at it, get a shallow spool 1000 or a C2000S reel which is a 1000 size body, 2500 size spool but shallow.

[Ohioguy25]

10 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

 

When you get into true ultralight weights (casting 1/32 or so), idk that rod length really makes that much of a difference. Also hook sets really shouldn't be an issue since you'll be fishing fine wire/small hooks. 

 

If you're looking to upgrade from the Triumph, go JDM. While you're at it, get a shallow spool 1000 or a C2000S reel which is a 1000 size body, 2500 size spool but shallow.

Should I go Nasci or Stradic 1000?

[MN Fisher]

6 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Should I go Nasci or Stradic 1000?

Stradic is a much better reel - and lighter.

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44 minutes ago, bloom said:

6 cranks of the handle gives 30 or 35 inches. 5 inches difference divided by the 6 wraps around the spool=.83333 inches circumferance bigger on the 2500.  I'm not sure on the math so I don't know.  I bet loomis has some awesome ultra lights. 

I usually use longer UL rods but for tight little brushy creeks I can see the advantage of a 5 footer.

 

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[MickD]

1 hour ago, Ohioguy25 said:

How long would you go for a creek rod? I’m not talking small rivers, I’m talking like the crick running through your grandma’s backyard that is inches deep with the occasional 1-2 ft hole with a little smallie or rock bass hangin out. 

Then I wouldn't go longer.  I made the comment because it seems so many are in love with short UL rods without having tried longer ones which in most cases offer a much better fishing experience. 

[Eric 26]

54 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Should I go Nasci or Stradic 1000?

I’m going to suggest you split the lineup and grab a 1000 size Miravel. I looked long and hard at it and it’s a lot of reel for the money. @MN Fisher grabbed one so he can comment more than me. As far as rods St. Croix premier should be more than you need but for half the price you can get a 6’-0” bps panfish elite rod. I have 2 and they are extremely nice for the price you pay and with the money you’re saving you can buy a nicer reel. 

[Ohioguy25]

4 hours ago, Eric 26 said:

I’m going to suggest you split the lineup and grab a 1000 size Miravel. I looked long and hard at it and it’s a lot of reel for the money. @MN Fisher grabbed one so he can comment more than me. As far as rods St. Croix premier should be more than you need but for half the price you can get a 6’-0” bps panfish elite rod. I have 2 and they are extremely nice for the price you pay and with the money you’re saving you can buy a nicer reel. 

I can’t seem to find definitively which of Shimano’s 1000 sized reels have the paddle style handle and which have the T? I greatly prefer the paddle as it fits comfortably between your thumb and index finger, never understood why the T has become the dominant design.

[mrpao]

The T knob is only on 3000 size and above.

The USA 1000 size reels have the small paddle knobs.

Some of the JDM 1000 size reels have the tiny thin finesse knobs.

[Ohioguy25]

1 minute ago, mrpao said:

The T knob is only on 3000 size and above.

The USA 1000 size reels have the small paddle knobs.

Some of the JDM 1000 size reels have the tiny thin finesse knobs.

Oh that’s a relief. I was pretty sure I’d read that the Nasci 2500 had adopted the T?

[Ohioguy25]

On 4/1/2023 at 11:50 AM, Eric 26 said:

I’m going to suggest you split the lineup and grab a 1000 size Miravel. I looked long and hard at it and it’s a lot of reel for the money. @MN Fisher grabbed one so he can comment more than me. As far as rods St. Croix premier should be more than you need but for half the price you can get a 6’-0” bps panfish elite rod. I have 2 and they are extremely nice for the price you pay and with the money you’re saving you can buy a nicer reel. 

I’ve read that the Miravel is better suited for light, finesse tackle/lures but less sealed than the Nasci. Is this true?

 

How much better is the build quality and smoothness?

[Eric 26]

@Ohioguy25 I cannot tell you for certain about the seals but I can say that it’s my understanding (JP fishing tackle news) that the Miravel is basically a Nasci made out of CI4 material, therefore it will be lighter in weight and you said you are replacing a Sahara 1000 on a 5’ish rod. Therefore I feel it will balance better for you on a lighter rod. I purchased a Stradic 1000 but I’m planning on mounting it on a 7’-0” or a 7’-1” rod myself. I do see myself getting a Miravel at some point down the road and I’m looking forward to hearing from the members on here about their experiences with the Miravel.

[garroyo130]

21 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

I’ve read that the Miravel is better suited for light, finesse tackle/lures but less sealed than the Nasci. Is this true?

 

How much better is the build quality and smoothness?

 

Miravel and Nasci are about equal with neither being sealed. I was previously under the impression that the Miravel was a worm drive spinning reel but after looking at schematics, it appears that it is not despite the xship diagram showing that.