What knot for Yozuri leader to braid?

[wordty]

I have broken off more recently using a Yozuri leader...I use 8, 10, and 12 depending on what pound line of Power Pro I am tying it to...any knot suggestions?  I am wetting the line and have been using a double uni knot.

 

[softwateronly]

This might not be something you want to put time into, but a well tied fg knot is my favorite braid to mono/floro connection knot. 
 

I don’t know what your specific situation is, but really thin braid can dig in and cut the harder coatings of some lines.  Though I haven’t heard of that happening with a uni to uni connection. 
 

scott

[bulldog1935]

Wrong knot - try an improved Allbright.  

 

[MN Fisher]

FG should be fine - that's what I use for night-before prep with YZH.

If I need to replace a leader on the water - Alberto

[casts_by_fly]

I primarily use an Alberto knot.  8 turns up, 10 turns back, direction back through the initial hole makes a difference. Follow those rules and it holds up just fine for me in most circumstances and it’s much easier than an Fg knot.

 

where it has fallen down lately for me is on really fine braid and thin line. Using 10 lb 832 and 0.010 tippet I couldn’t get the knot to stay tied. Mostly it was one or the other line cutting the mono not sure what I was doing wrong or if it was a bad piece of the mono but I couldn’t get it to tie. The fg was just fine.

[gulfcaptain]

6 hours ago, casts_by_fly said:

I primarily use an Alberto knot.  8 turns up, 10 turns back, direction back through the initial hole makes a difference. Follow those rules and it holds up just fine for me in most circumstances and it’s much easier than an Fg knot.

 

where it has fallen down lately for me is on really fine braid and thin line. Using 10 lb 832 and 0.010 tippet I couldn’t get the knot to stay tied. Mostly it was one or the other line cutting the mono not sure what I was doing wrong or if it was a bad piece of the mono but I couldn’t get it to tie. The fg was just fine.

Lighter line 8 up  7 back. Too many wraps causes the braid to damage the fc or mono. Also I take out my handy superglue,  squeeze  a drop, and put a SMALL amount as in put it on and wipe it off on the braid and will keep the knot from slipping with multiple casts over and over. Do this with heavier baits as well as so they don't slip.  But try the 8 and 7, up and back.

[Captain Phil]

I use an old school blood knot.  Been using that knot for years and have never had one fail.  May not be the best knot if the lines you are joining have widely different diameters.

[GaryH]

When and if I use a leader it’s a Alberto. Haven’t had any issues for many years.

[dodgeguy]

How about the straight braid knot or the straight yozuri knot. Both are simple and won't slip.

[BrianMDTX]

I use a Lefty Kreh leader knot. Only one knot failure and I know that one was solely on me. 

[Functional]

FG knot for everything of braid to mono/copoly/floro. Not really too bad to tie if you know a few tricks, hasnt failed for me yet and is thin enough to get through my tiny guides. 

[Bird]

My buddy and I have this conversation often, he hates leaders because of break-off.

I tie 15# PP braid to 8# Sunline Snyper using an Alberto knot, 7up 7back.

Each time I snag and break, it's always at the hook leaving behind leader to retie.

 

[Cbump]

4 hours ago, gulfcaptain said:

Lighter line 8 up  7 back. Too many wraps causes the braid to damage the fc or mono. Also I take out my handy superglue,  squeeze  a drop, and put a SMALL amount as in put it on and wipe it off on the braid and will keep the knot from slipping with multiple casts over and over. Do this with heavier baits as well as so they don't slip.  But try the 8 and 7, up and back.

You’re certainly more experienced than me but I’ve used the Alberto for about 15 years with up to 50lb Braid to 20lb fc without any slippage. No super glue. 
I usually just however many wraps I feel like at the moment lol. 4 or 5 usually with the bigger stuff. 6 or so with the lighter. 
Alberto is the only knot I use OP. 

[casts_by_fly]

4 hours ago, gulfcaptain said:

Lighter line 8 up  7 back. Too many wraps causes the braid to damage the fc or mono. Also I take out my handy superglue,  squeeze  a drop, and put a SMALL amount as in put it on and wipe it off on the braid and will keep the knot from slipping with multiple casts over and over. Do this with heavier baits as well as so they don't slip.  But try the 8 and 7, up and back.

7 minutes ago, Bird said:

My buddy and I have this conversation often, he hates leaders because of break-off.

I tie 15# PP braid to 8# Sunline Snyper using an Alberto knot, 7up 7back.

Each time I snag and break, it's always at the hook leaving behind leader to retie.

 

 

for whatever reason, 8 up and 10 down has been the only reliable tie for me.  I've tried as few as 5 or 6 and as many as 12.  I don't know what the physics of the knot is and I'd love to see it if an enterprising fisherman was also a knot junkie with FEA software.  Until then, I'll use the one that has worked for me (just like all other things in fishing).

 

 

2 hours ago, Captain Phil said:

I use an old school blood knot.  Been using that know for years and have never had one fail.  May not be the best knot if the lines you are joining have widely different diameters.

 

I used to tie a blood knot for years on fly tippet (where you were using two similar diameter lines of mono/fluoro) and it works great.  Have you tried it on thin braid like a 10 lb?  A blood knot is super quick to tie and easy to tie correctly

[Cbump]

15 minutes ago, Bird said:

My buddy and I have this conversation often, he hates leaders because of break-off.

I tie 15# PP braid to 8# Sunline Snyper using an Alberto knot, 7up 7back.

Each time I snag and break, it's always at the hook leaving behind leader to retie.

 

same. On spinning rods I do about 5-6’ of leader. I can break off multiple times on the same leader. Never come back with just Braid. 
 

My buddy learned some new leader knot from tactical bassin I think. Said It was the best. Slipped on his first hookset in a tournament with me. You could tell because of the curly braid. Spent like 10 minutes retying It and  did the exact same thing next fish. 
 

I’m like bro, no more. Alberto in my boat if we’re tournament partners. 

[gulfcaptain]

2 hours ago, Cbump said:

You’re certainly more experienced than me but I’ve used the Alberto for about 15 years with up to 50lb Braid to 20lb fc without any slippage. No super glue. 
I usually just however many wraps I feel like at the moment lol. 4 or 5 usually with the bigger stuff. 6 or so with the lighter. 
Alberto is the only knot I use OP. 

Okay it doesn't slip, but the weak point in this not when trimmed short is it can loosen up over time. So you figure 4 casts a min, 240 cases an hour,  1240 casts in a day of fishing, going in and out of the guides will wear the knot and can cause it to loosen. It's a great knot,  but if I'm gonna make that many casts with 20 or 25lb leader, it can fail. All knot can fail with that much abuse. So I tack it and eliminate that with it and can trim my fc or mono right up the the edge of the knot and have zero tag.

[Captain Phil]

2 hours ago, casts_by_fly said:

I used to tie a blood knot for years on fly tippet (where you were using two similar diameter lines of mono/fluoro) and it works great.  Have you tried it on thin braid like a 10 lb?  A blood knot is super quick to tie and easy to tie correctly

 

I also learned the blood knot when making fly fishing leaders. So far, I have not used braid lighter than 30 pound test.  If I'm going that light, I use mono or flouro line.

[Bass Rutten]

Knots are like religion, you don't need the best one, you need the most "convenient" one ?

 

That said... fg at home, crazy alberto on the water.

[Functional]

I've always done more ties or twists in the fg or back when I did the Alberto (which I still use connecting backing to main line on reels) because I view it like a Chinese finger trap. The longer it is the more grip/friction to keep it from slipping and I don't feel like I have to tighten the hell out of it and potentially damage the leader. It needs to be tight but not killing the leader, especially the thin 10lb and under stuff a lot of us use. Alberto I used to do 10-12 turns each way and fg I do the full 25 and do more half hitches than recommended. Never have I had a slip or break at the union knot. 

[MickD]

Anything over about a dozen weaves of the FG prevents the knot from tightening properly, according to what I've read.  Makes sense since it does require the braid to actually deform the leader by the weaves tightening onto it.   More is not always better.  

 

But everyone is focused on the knot when this problem may be the quality of the leader and not a knot issue.  Double uni's are about as reliable as it gets.

[Alex from GA]

FG home, triple surgeons in the boat.