the horrors of hiring people.

[Darth-Baiter]

I have three openings.  I have filled 2.  one guy started and a young lady starts mid May.  the guy is into his 1st week and so far he is kicking butt.  self starter, independent.  I am sending him to los Angelos next week for training.  I told him dont do anything stupid over there.  he figured out our system to buy air  tickets and rental cars ,etc..all by himself.  I have old guys that I have to walk thru the system.

 

I am so picky and I was getting eyeballed by my management, just pleading me to "pick someone" quick.  nope.  I am not letting in any Trojan horses on my team.  I dont want buyers remorse.

 

I am saving my last position for a total rockstar.  I have time.

 

the problem I didnt expect is now the other supervisors want me on their interview panel.  I am wading thru all the knuckleheads.  my spidey senses at picking up BS answers is getting workout.  

[DitchPanda]

3 hours ago, Jigfishn10 said:

 

Agree. That *** is getting old.

I don't sweat it too much...I was honest when I said it makes me laugh. My dad said his dad used to say it about his generation... Remembers hearing his grandfather criticize his dad for having it too easy. I'm an equal opportunity hater of laziness... Young or old if you suck you suck.

[Jigfishn10]

17 hours ago, DitchPanda said:

I don't sweat it too much…

Glad to see you’re thick skinned about this. One of the things I’ve been asked to do more of at my job, is to teach the younger generation who are very intelligent and hard working.

I work for a global company and work with folks from all corners of the world. Great bunch of people old and young. 

 

EDIT: Looks like this thread was modified as is my post.

[gim]

5 hours ago, Darth-Baiter said:

one guy started and a young lady starts mid May.  the guy is into his 1st week and so far he is kicking butt.  self starter, independent.  I am sending him to los Angelos next week for training.  I told him dont do anything stupid over there.  he figured out our system to buy air  tickets and rental cars ,etc..all by himself.  I have old guys that I have to walk thru the system.

 

Sounds like you selected a good one!

[JackstrawIII]

On 3/10/2023 at 7:53 PM, Bird said:

Point blank......hire a Mexican.

My brother has a large roofing business and logging business, every employee is Mexican...... again, point blank.

I live in apple country. All the fruit farms around here hire Mexicans, Jamaicans, and Dominicans to do the picking because they do a better job. It's literally more cost effective to transport people from other countries, build housing for them, and pay them a wage than it is to just hire a local kid who will bruise the fruit. It's wild. 

 

But, on the bright side, I've gotten to meet some really cool guys from around the world who are here picking. So, that's cool. 

[HenryPF]

6 hours ago, Darth-Baiter said:

I am saving my last position for a total rockstar.

 

This is a giant red flag for anyone applying to your position. It translates to "Please do the work of 3 people for a single salary"

 

 

[Jigfishn10]

10 hours ago, gimruis said:

That’s so disrespectful. At least have the common courtesy to notify the employer.

No, not really, that works both ways. I’ve applied for jobs, had interviews and followed up only to be ghosted. 
I’ve had people tell me that based on my resume I wasn’t loyal. They fail to read the reason in parentheses that the company went under.

And the whole bull **** about loyalty. Another story for another day. There’s no loyalty either way. It’s written in your offer and company hand book that you’re an employee at will. 
 

The etiquette climate has definitely changed. 

[deaknh03]

Adding to slonezp, companies no longer have loyalty to employees, so now the workforce is acting the same way. 

[gim]

45 minutes ago, Jigfishn10 said:

No, not really, that works both ways. I’ve applied for jobs, had interviews and followed up only to be ghosted. 

Yes, and that is also disrespectful.  Not that difficult to simply let someone know that you aren't interested or that they've been removed from the candidate pool.  Two wrongs don't make a right here.

 

I am not in charge of hiring or firing people where I work, so that is something I will never deal with (and quite honestly, I don't want to either).  I can say with 100% positivity that if it was my responsibility, I'd have the decency to follow through as both the perspective employee, and the employer.

[Jigfishn10]

 

12 hours ago, gimruis said:

Yes, and that is also disrespectful.  Not that difficult to simply let someone know that you aren't interested or that they've been removed from the candidate pool.

 

I am not in charge of hiring or firing people where I work, so that is something I will never deal with.  I can say with 100% positivity that if it was my responsibility, I'd have the decency to follow through as both the perspective employee and the employer.

I do agree. Just do what’s right.

[gim]

3 minutes ago, Jigfishn10 said:

I do agree. Just do what’s right.

Thank you, that's all I'm saying.  Companies and employers should respect and value their employees, and employees should do the same in return, which includes perspective employees.  Just leaving someone or some company hanging is not how I roll.

 

The economy often dictates who has the upper hand.  Right now the employees have the advantage.

[DitchPanda]

1 hour ago, gimruis said:

Thank you, that's all I'm saying.  Companies and employers should respect and value their employees, and employees should do the same in return, which includes perspective employees.  Just leaving someone or some company hanging is not how I roll.

 

The economy often dictates who has the upper hand.  Right now the employees have the advantage.

Depending on where you live this is true. In my neck of the woods the options are pretty slim for something that pays a liveable wage. Yeah you could find another job very easily...may take a 20-40k pay cut to do it. For instance I was looking at local options because I wasn't particularly happy at work. Was only half serious but though why not, always good to see what's out there. Had a buddy offer me a parts and service job where he works. I said ok what do they pay? He said somewhere around X. I thought well thats 10-15k under my base wage if I had no OT and no bonuses...it was actually 40k under what I made last year. So of course I turned it down. That was a few months ago, and that's still the best opportunity I've seen.

 

[slonezp]

11 hours ago, deaknh03 said:

Adding to slonezp, companies no longer have loyalty to employees, so now the workforce is acting the same way. 

Get injured at work and see how loyal your employer is.

[TOXIC]

Those in management don’t understand the saying “Workers don’t quit bad jobs, they quit bad managers”.  Likewise, companies change their corporate structure and it changes the entire organization.  In the Federal Agency I worked for 34 years, the Chairman was a presidential appointee and as such the corporate climate could change with every new administration.  My agency went from valuing employees and it was reflected in pay, opportunities and benefits, to downsizing, right sizing, cutting and finding ways to eliminate positions.  If you didn’t pay attention even as a career status employee (government term for hard to eliminate) you could get caught in the crosshairs of policies enacted by a Chairman and be out of a job.  I had to change my attitude from “I’ll sacrifice for the agency “ to “I don’t want to get sacrificed by the agency”. 

[Glenn]

On 3/10/2023 at 9:36 AM, J._Bricker said:

Wait to you interview a candidate that’s taking the interview for “practice”.

I've done that, but wasn't dumb enough to TELL them! LOL

 

However I did have to turn down 2 job offers. Guess I didn't need the practice. LOL

[DitchPanda]

27 minutes ago, TOXIC said:

Those in management don’t understand the saying “Workers don’t quit bad jobs, they quit bad managers”.  Likewise, companies change their corporate structure and it changes the entire organization.  In the Federal Agency I worked for 34 years, the Chairman was a presidential appointee and as such the corporate climate could change with every new administration.  My agency went from valuing employees and it was reflected in pay, opportunities and benefits, to downsizing, right sizing, cutting and finding ways to eliminate positions.  If you didn’t pay attention even as a career status employee (government term for hard to eliminate) you could get caught in the crosshairs of policies enacted by a Chairman and be out of a job.  I had to change my attitude from “I’ll sacrifice for the agency “ to “I don’t want to get sacrificed by the agency”. 

 The company I work for went from the plants have majority control at plant level to being under the corporate umbrella and having no say what happens as far as run rates, staffing etc. First thing corporate did was surprise surprise eliminate several positions. When I moved up from plant technician III to water chemistry manager my Plant Manager gave me better hours and a good raise. Then when I checked my job title on our benefits\time management site I saw I was still registered as Plant Tech. When I asked him why he said well its simple, its to protect you. If corporate come down with an eliminate all waters managers at sites change, your still a plant tech III.

 I guess what I've never understood about big business is two things: If our managers are deemed too stupid to manage their plants and understand the needs, why even have plant management teams? Conversely, how can a company that started with everybody putting actual boots on the ground and wrenchs on pipes think that a logical way to run a business is by having the decisions being made by people ignorant to the process, AKA people who have never had a real job? 

 

[Scott F]

I worked for the same company for 36 years before I retired. It was a family owned company when I started and eventually was purchased by a few different Fortune 500 companies. I was inexperienced when I started but a hard worker and moved up to management. The big corporations changed the culture. They took away benefits and even though we generated bigger profits than any other division, they just kept pushing for more profits at the expense of its employees. They stopped giving annual raises but expected the workers to do more and more work. I got out of management and back on the road once I saw that my hard work was no longer appreciated. 

[roadwarrior]

9 minutes ago, DitchPanda said:

...having the decisions being made by people ignorant to the process, AKA people who have never had a real job? 

The leader of the free world has never had a job.

[Captain Phil]

23 minutes ago, roadwarrior said:

The leader of the free world has never had a job.

 Yet he somehow became a multi millionaire. 

[DitchPanda]

23 minutes ago, roadwarrior said:

The leader of the free world has never had a job.

I don't think we should get into that! Point I was making in all of this is the guy that started our company started out building and running a plant. He knows what its like and what it takes. Yet they see fit to let people who have never even stepped foot in a plant decide what it takes. I get it...money talks and bulls$%& walks, and I'm no bleeding heart that cries about how life isn't fair. But just because it is the way it is, don't make it right.

[N Florida Mike]

52 minutes ago, Scott F said:

I got out of management and back on the road once I saw that my hard work was no longer appreciated. 

Same thing happened to me…

I was part of the hiring process at my old company. You wouldn’t believe the level of absurdity we went through.

One month we had fifty something applicants and only 6 passed the drug, criminal , and MVR tests.! I don’t remember hiring any of the 6 either but we may have hired one of them..

And this was for pest control, not rocket science!

[Darth-Baiter]

On 3/11/2023 at 4:57 PM, HenryPF said:

 

This is a giant red flag for anyone applying to your position. It translates to "Please do the work of 3 people for a single salary"

 

 

Huh?   I didn’t put my thoughts on the job advertisement.  My sentence was almost metaphor.  Maybe I wanted an actual rockstar?  I was up-playing hiring someone good.  But I do love your interpretation.  
 

it’s just a thought. My workload can’t support one more person this next year.  The following year?  Yea.  So I’m only hiring if someone spectacular comes along.  Experience, licensed, etc.  checks more boxes.   I[m not desperate to get people anymore.  That’s all.  
 

 

[Koz]

Let me preface this by saying that I am blessed to have a great team at my hotel, but filling out the last few positions has been problematic.

 

First off, you get applicants that hop from job to job to job to job throughout the year. Forget it. I won't even think of hiring you. Then there's the ridiculous no show rate for scheduled interviews.

 

Ideal candidates? More rare than a double digit bass. So you end up taking a chance on someone you normally wouldn't hire. How's that going?

 

Well, we had someone working for us for about a month and on the night I'm packing to leave for my last tournament I get a call from the hotel that something is off with her, so I head in to work. This girl works the front desk, so she's the first point of contact for the guests. I get there and she's in the back office and she's got about 8 of our Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwiches opened up and spread out. It looks like she was eating the eggs ands sausage and leaving the muffin. The bottom three buttons of her uniform blouse are undone and it's easy to see she's drunk as a skunk. Fired.

 

I get back the next week and my housekeeping manager had hired a new room attendant the day before. She walks by me as she goes to the time clock and the smell of weed almost knocks me over. Fired.

 

New laundry attendant showed up for her first day, found out there was a lot of work to do during her shift, then never showed up again.

 

Frankly, I'm tired of having to deal with staffing issues. So this is probably my last year at the property level. I'm going to look for a Regional VP position so I only have to worry about hiring GM's.

[gim]

I have taped the laser on the underside of the computer mouse of every new person we have hired for the past 8 years as a bit of a "measuring stick" with rookies where I work.  My co workers and I can usually tell how solid of a hire the new person is based on how quickly they figure this prank out.

 

Some people have taken days to figure this out, they call IT, replace their mouse, etc.  Others figure it out in under 10 minutes.

 

There was one older fella a few years ago that couldn't figure it out, and he even went through the process of changing the batteries.  The battery compartment is literally right next to the laser of the mouse too.  I'm not sure how someone could miss the tape there while changing the batteries.  LOL

[TnRiver46]

I’ve never hired anyone, I’m the low man on the totem pole haha