Zillion21 vs Lew's Lites

[PhishLI]

I guarantee most "men" who "love" triggering strangers on the internet were the same boys who got wedgies on the playground, but instead of duking it out on the spot, they ran and cried to a teacher instead. Meow.

[dodgeguy]

3 hours ago, LonnieP said:

This is the first time I’ve heard someone say the Zillion is bulky. I have 3 of them and I think they are the perfect size.

It's like shoes. 

[suzuki2903]

5 hours ago, LonnieP said:

This is the first time I’ve heard someone say the Zillion is bulky. I have 3 of them and I think they are the perfect size.

You can see it in the original posters first pic against the Lews reels how much thicker the zillion is .   Each to their own tho! We all like and prefer different things.  But people have talked about that , lack of casting distance and doesn’t skip as well as say the tatula sv tw ….. 

[NavyToad]

I have a couple Tatula SV TW103s and they’re nice reels, but I prefer the Lews Tournament Pro. Am I biased because I prefer the Lews? I saw the Zillions for $237 at DIGITAKA and passed. I use Tatulas and Lews interchangably - both good reels that get the job done just fine for me. I bet the Zillion is a fine reel, but I have a hard time believing that it’s the be all and end all of baitcasters for everyone. I appreciate the review.

[MiceNReets]

 

 

Oh you better believe it brother… 

 

[bulldog1935]

ok, back for a simple editorial.  

Anyone is going to like any reel that tunes properly in their niche for it.  

Tuning it incorrectly is no excuse for lambasting the reel.  

I would probably still be buying Lew's if anyone offered a range of spool options for them.  (I did buy a second Super Duty G two years ago).  

Zillion is a vastly versatile reel, partly because of Daiwa's patented brake/spool design, partly because of exceptional aftermarket spools available for it.  

 

[redmeansdistortion]

12 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

Anyone is going to like any reel that tunes properly in their niche for it.

Exactly.  To add to what you said, to successfully tune a reel one needs an end goal in mind.  What do you want to accomplish?  How do you plan to get there?  It's very easy to indiscriminately throw parts at a reel, and many times that turns into an expensive undertaking without an objective in mind.  You can have all the fun parts in the world, but if it doesn't perform according to the intended purpose, was it wise to spend all of that money?   

 

Some spools are best for certain things, as are bearings, handle lengths, and braking systems.  The reel is the sum of its parts.  Without taking every critical component into consideration, not much will be accomplished.  This is what it takes between making a reel good enough and excellent for its intended purpose.

[PhishLI]

20 hours ago, suzuki2903 said:

But people have talked about that , lack of casting distance and doesn’t skip as well as say the tatula sv tw …..

In other words, you have no idea yourself. No firsthand experience obviously. You just wanted to make some educated noises? I suppose @bulldog1935 saying it's a good distance caster in this very thread is irrelevant? The Fishtank says it's perfection, and he fishes with the primo stuff across manufactures, but you're quoting nebulous "people". He has no standing, but they do? While it's up for debate whether or not @Phil77 played tackle football without a helmet, at least he actually held one and formed an opinion. Apparently, he defeated the braking system nearly entirely, so his review as-is and opinion does not really apply to how the vast majority of people would use and judge it. Daiwa's brakes rely on spool speed to function properly. Dialing in the type of tension to allow for the brakes to be set at 2-4 is asinine. That's not even a matter of opinion either. Have we not lived through enough posts here where doing this has screwed a brother up? Oh yes, we have.

4 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

Tuning it incorrectly is no excuse for lambasting the reel.  

Yup.

[NavyToad]

@Phil77 Stick to your guns no matter how many people get their feelings hurt.

Sadly, this thread has turned into a bunch of nonsense.

[bulldog1935]

horse hockey - no one's feelings were hurt - the thread apparently trolled out exactly as intended.  

Gee, I can make the reel backlash if I don't set up the brake.  

Your Lew's will do the same thing - when you find incipient backlash, set the brake a notch lower.  

[suzuki2903]

2 hours ago, PhishLI said:

In other words, you have no idea yourself. No firsthand experience obviously. You just wanted to make some educated noises? I suppose @bulldog1935 saying it's a good distance caster in this very thread is irrelevant? The Fishtank says it's perfection, and he fishes with the primo stuff across manufactures, but you're quoting nebulous "people". He has no standing, but they do? While it's up for debate whether or not @Phil77 played tackle football without a helmet, at least he actually held one and formed an opinion. Apparently, he defeated the braking system nearly entirely, so his review as-is and opinion does not really apply to how the vast majority of people would use and judge it. Daiwa's brakes rely on spool speed to function properly. Dialing in the type of tension to allow for the brakes to be set at 2-4 is asinine. That's not even a matter of opinion either. Have we not lived through enough posts here where doing this has screwed a brother up? Oh yes, we have.

Yup.

Lol typical response…. I have three tatula sv tw reels , one zillion , several Lews pro ti reels, daiwa Catalina jdm reel, and many shimano metaniums…. So yeah I have a very very good idea what works and doesn’t !  Maybe you didn’t know that ? Ohhhh wait you thought you knew it all huh ? Point is out of the box zillion and tatula sv tw reels don’t have a good casting distance , that’s proven fasts , they are bulky compared to Lews and the zillion doesn’t skip as well as the tatula sv tw…. All proven facts buddy . Sooooo there’s your noise preaching facts again ! So many threads on here it’s always the same thing … if you don’t use or agree with the majority or major players on here, you’re just trolling or don’t know what you are talking about lol  

[PressuredFishing]

Politics of the fishing world lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've had a person (someone that is local to socal)ignore me and cuss me out for saying bsf instead of bfs, even though I do enjoy bfs from time to time. 

 

 

 

Now they "perfer" spinning for some presentations that they before would only throw on bfs. Even though their opinions on spinning have changed, they still haven't changed their opinions about me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I pray for them at least once a week, I hope to some day meet them in real life and become friends, I don't think their online behavior represents their personality in the real world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These threads often seem to be used as probing tools for some to get a reaction, takes away from the OPs thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And finally, I perfer diawa slightly more than lews, specifically because like bulldog said after market spools are much easier to obtain AND diawas parts seem to stay around alot longer, and when they are discontinued you can sometimes find jdm parts or oem compatible parts.

 

(Plus I like the tatula colors)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dodgeguy]

Custom Lite just came out in a shallow spool !!!!!

[PhishLI]

As the Bulldog just alluded to, this thread was nothing but a troll from the jump. Even with that, nobody who came in to respond went near saying one reel was better than the other or disputed the "versus" part of the OP's post.  Whoever perceives that this happened and continues to propagate it by building various strawmen arguments is living in fantasy land. The greater "we" who post here often on the subject of reels and reel tech own a plethora of brands, show pictures proving that we actually own them, relay info which proves we actually use them, and for the most part respect that people have different preferences for a number of reasons. The OP is entitled to his. If you read this forum often, disputes over preferences are unusual, but if someone's going to bloviate opinions as flat-out indisputable fact, well, game on.

 

Anyone can choose any reel, set it up flat out wrong, then chit on it to get a reaction. If I would have done the same thing with an Antares, a number of sane people here would've probably entered the fray to correct the record, and they'd be right to do so. That wouldn't make them slovenly apologists either. And by the way, if I ever hear the word "fanboy" leave my lips, especially if used to diminish someone else, I'll tear arse to the doctor to get my testosterone checked.

 

18 hours ago, suzuki2903 said:

Lol typical response…. I have three tatula sv tw reels , one zillion , several Lews pro ti reels, daiwa Catalina jdm reel, and many shimano metaniums…. So yeah I have a very very good idea what works and doesn’t !

Then let's see your Zillion G right next to the Catalina. I'll believe if I see it, maybe. Why? Because why would you write "But people have talked about that , lack of casting distance and doesn’t skip as well as say the tatula sv tw" if you owned and used one? Sorry, but that's not how someone speaks who has first-hand experience. You'd relay your first-hand experience instead by saying "I", not "people", and not do it retroactively if you're being truthful. Actually, don't bother. I've already lost enough brain cells on this crackpot topic. Hopefully, if a newbie with a Daiwa reads this thread someday, they'll know how not to set it up.

[suzuki2903]

4 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

As the just Bulldog alluded to, this thread was nothing but a troll from the jump. Even with that, nobody who came in to respond went near saying one reel was better than the other or disputed the "versus" part of the OP's post.  Whoever perceives that this happened and continues to propagate it by building various strawmen arguments is living in fantasy land. The greater "we" who post here often on the subject of reels and reel tech own a plethora of brands, show pictures proving that we actually own them, relay info which proves we actually use them, and for the most part respect that people have different preferences for a number of reasons. The OP is entitled to his. If you read this forum often, disputes over preferences are unusual, but if someone's going to bloviate opinions as flat-out indisputable fact, well, game on.

 

Anyone can choose any reel, set it up flat out wrong, then chit on it to get a reaction. If I would have done the same thing with an Antares, a number of sane people here would've probably entered the fray to correct the record, and they'd be right to do so. That wouldn't make them slovenly apologists either. And by the way, if I ever hear the word "fanboy" leave my lips, especially if used to diminish someone else, I'll tear arse to the doctor to get my testosterone checked.

 

Then let's see your Zillion G right next to the Catalina. I'll believe if I see it, maybe. Why? Because why would you write "But people have talked about that , lack of casting distance and doesn’t skip as well as say the tatula sv tw" if you owned and used one? Sorry, but that's not how someone speaks who has first-hand experience. You'd relay your first-hand experience instead by saying "I", not "people", and not do it retroactively if you're being truthful. Actually, don't bother. I've already lost enough brain cells on this crackpot topic. Hopefully, if a newbie with a Daiwa reads this thread someday, they'll know how not to set it up.

Lol awful feisty aren’t ya ….. so yes quite often the majority group on here does jump on one brand or type etc as to being the holy brand or product, where anything else is just trash…. That’s very common on here !   As to facts , it’s all over YouTube and other decent forums … the zillion is a lot of hype and a ok reel for the price but it’s over braked, doesn’t skip as well and is bulky to some! Them are facts ! Not to mention when is comfortable to me might not be to you …. Everyone has an option ! Heaven for bid I didn’t agree with you ! Guess what I own a lot of stuff ! Maybe even more than you ? I like to try new products etc and see what all the talk is about , if I don’t like it or get tired of it I sell it off and buy something else…. So that’s twice now you’ve said I don’t have or know what I’m talking about … so the real problem here is clearly you and have your panties in a bunch!! Oh here’s a pic of the Catalina jdm reel and the zillion is in the boat at the moment . But hey I proved you wrong huh  back off and quit making assumptions about me

19 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

As the just Bulldog alluded to, this thread was nothing but a troll from the jump. Even with that, nobody who came in to respond went near saying one reel was better than the other or disputed the "versus" part of the OP's post.  Whoever perceives that this happened and continues to propagate it by building various strawmen arguments is living in fantasy land. The greater "we" who post here often on the subject of reels and reel tech own a plethora of brands, show pictures proving that we actually own them, relay info which proves we actually use them, and for the most part respect that people have different preferences for a number of reasons. The OP is entitled to his. If you read this forum often, disputes over preferences are unusual, but if someone's going to bloviate opinions as flat-out indisputable fact, well, game on.

 

Anyone can choose any reel, set it up flat out wrong, then chit on it to get a reaction. If I would have done the same thing with an Antares, a number of sane people here would've probably entered the fray to correct the record, and they'd be right to do so. That wouldn't make them slovenly apologists either. And by the way, if I ever hear the word "fanboy" leave my lips, especially if used to diminish someone else, I'll tear arse to the doctor to get my testosterone checked.

 

Then let's see your Zillion G right next to the Catalina. I'll believe if I see it, maybe. Why? Because why would you write "But people have talked about that , lack of casting distance and doesn’t skip as well as say the tatula sv tw" if you owned and used one? Sorry, but that's not how someone speaks who has first-hand experience. You'd relay your first-hand experience instead by saying "I", not "people", and not do it retroactively if you're being truthful. Actually, don't bother. I've already lost enough brain cells on this crackpot topic. Hopefully, if a newbie with a Daiwa reads this thread someday, they'll know how not to set it up.

Here’s a couple more pics to let you chew on since I “ don’t show or prove what I have “  so since you made it personal I had to prove you wrong yet again 

[Cbump]

1 hour ago, PhishLI said:

I'll tear arse to the doctor to get my testosterone checked.

Hahaha I love it

[FrnkNsteen]

Moderators need to close this thread. It started out as a trashing session,  to calling most bass fisherman too stupid to check their oil, down to this.

 

IMO,... This thread was negative to start with and has gone downhill from there.

[Catt]

Y'all are hilarious ?

[Tatulatard]

I don't see the new zillion.  

[FishTank]

Well this dumpster fire has warmed my soul.

 

The new Zillion to me skips just fine. I tossed everything from a weightless Senkos to a 6in Magdraft under docks, bushes, etc. It's no different than any other reel.   I'm no pro at it but it's more skill dependent than reel mechanics. I just turn the brake dail up or use my thumb. Also the Zillion is capable casting a long way. I'll concede the Tatula SV and the Steez SV aren't going to win a casting contest but they excel at casting constantly, which is more important than overall distance. 

 

As far as the Tatula skipping.....

 

 

 

Searching other forums and youtube, I couldn't find anyone complaining about the Zillion size  or skipping and casting.  I did find someone complaining about the finish, which I have seen first hand on another Zillion.

[suzuki2903]

28 minutes ago, FishTank said:

Well this dumpster fire has warmed my soul.

 

The new Zillion to me skips just fine. I tossed everything from a weightless Senkos to a 6in Magdraft under docks, bushes, etc. It's no different than any other reel.   I'm no pro at it but it's more skill dependent than reel mechanics. I just turn the brake dail up or use my thumb. Also the Zillion is capable casting a long way. I'll concede the Tatula SV and the Steez SV aren't going to win a casting contest but they excel at casting constantly, which is more important than overall distance. 

 

As far as the Tatula skipping.....

 

 

 

Searching other forums and youtube, I couldn't find anyone complaining about the Zillion size  or skipping and casting.  I did find someone complaining about the finish, which I have seen first hand on another Zillion.

Funny I said the zillion doesn’t skip as well as the tatula sv tw….. re read before making a big deal on a subject.  Lol this thread is exactly the issue with this site ! Nobody can voice their opinions even when they aren’t the only one with the same complaints.   I’ll be a Lews and shimano fanboy and you guys can be daiwa fanboys allllll you want . Oh and that same YouTube channel has zillion cast comparison which isn’t all that great ….. go watch that video too

[FishTank]

12 minutes ago, suzuki2903 said:

Funny I said the zillion doesn’t skip as well as the tatula sv tw….. re read before making a big deal on a subject.  Lol this thread is exactly the issue with this site ! Nobody can voice their opinions even when they aren’t the only one with the same complaints.   I’ll be a Lews and shimano fanboy and you guys can be daiwa fanboys allllll you want . Oh and that same YouTube channel has zillion cast comparison which isn’t all that great ….. go watch that video too

Thanks. I knew you would go there and was hoping you would have some solid facts but opinions are always welcome. 

 

I actually like Shimanos for the most better than Daiwas. I have an Antares 70A that will probably outcast all the reels mentioned but with that said,  I'll take a 130 foot average all day.

 

 

 

 

[waymont]

14 hours ago, suzuki2903 said:

Lol awful feisty aren’t ya ….. so yes quite often the majority group on here does jump on one brand or type etc as to being the holy brand or product, where anything else is just trash…. That’s very common on here !   As to facts , it’s all over YouTube and other decent forums … the zillion is a lot of hype and a ok reel for the price but it’s over braked, doesn’t skip as well and is bulky to some! Them are facts ! Not to mention when is comfortable to me might not be to you …. Everyone has an option ! Heaven for bid I didn’t agree with you ! Guess what I own a lot of stuff ! Maybe even more than you ? I like to try new products etc and see what all the talk is about , if I don’t like it or get tired of it I sell it off and buy something else…. So that’s twice now you’ve said I don’t have or know what I’m talking about … so the real problem here is clearly you and have your panties in a bunch!! Oh here’s a pic of the Catalina jdm reel and the zillion is in the boat at the moment . But hey I proved you wrong huh  back off and quit making assumptions about me

Here’s a couple more pics to let you chew on since I “ don’t show or prove what I have “  so since you made it personal I had to prove you wrong yet again 

Point out the Zillion. I'm not seeing it.

[a1712]

18 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

horse hockey - no one's feelings were hurt - the thread apparently trolled out exactly as intended.  

Gee, I can make the reel backlash if I don't set up the brake.  

Your Lew's will do the same thing - when you find incipient backlash, set the brake a notch lower.  

Amen. I find it odd that people think it's a sign of manhood to have their brake dial number as low as possible. My Bud will over run his spool every cast so he can say "I only have my dial set to 1". I'd bump it to whatever to not have to worry about it. Brian.

[Tatulatard]

1 hour ago, FishTank said:

Thanks. I knew you would go there and was hoping you would have some solid facts but opinions are always welcome. 

 

I actually like Shimanos for the most better than Daiwas. I have an Antares 70A that will probably outcast all the reels mentioned but with that said,  I'll take a 130 foot average all day.

 

 

 

 

If my options are a reel thay throws my bait 130 feet and can skip it under a dock easily vs a reel that throws it 135 feet but can't skip worth a darn then I'm taking the 1st reel everytime