Zillion21 vs Lew's Lites

[Phil77]

actually i can palm the zillion without feeling it either. Just dont like the location, the new pro ti and their premier have the dial in the same place so ill be skipping those as well.

[PhishLI]

3 hours ago, KP Duty said:

I find it interesting that the clean looking zillion was deemed 'ugly'

I don't. You can't tell when you're being trolled? Would the hyperbolic rantings of a cantankerous goofball shift your perception of a dish you enjoy at your favorite restaurant? I'd imagine not. Besides, who cares what drives the taste of a total stranger?

[Phil77]

1 hour ago, PhishLI said:

I don't. You can't tell when you're being trolled? Would the hyperbolic rantings of a cantankerous goofball shift your perception of a dish you enjoy at your favorite restaurant? I'd imagine not. Besides, who cares what drives the taste of a total stranger?

Oh come on Phish how many times are other reels criticized on here? God forbid someone doesn't bow down to the alter of the almighty silver curado lol. I'll take the "cantankerous goofball" as a compliment. Anyhoo today will be the true test, weightless trick worm and 10+mph wind. Thank the fish gods I am armed with the almighty Hyperdrive Design, Hyperdrive Digigear, Hyper Tough Clutch, and not to forget HYPER ARMED HOUSING! All hail Zillion, may Hyper protect us. 

[bulldog1935]

d**n ugly reel.  

A new twist on the fanboy thread, spinning Vs. baitcasting, etc.  

BTW, next time you see VS on a thread title, read same old BS.  

Susceptibility to marketing hype seems to be a generational thing, as in, I wouldn't know what I need if they didn't tell me.  If you know what you need, you don't think about what they say.  

[Phil77]

10 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

d**n ugly reel.  

A new twist on the fanboy thread, spinning Vs. baitcasting, etc.  

BTW, next time you see VS on a threat title, read same old BS.  

Susceptibility to marketing hype seems to be a generational thing, as in, I wouldn't know what I need if they didn't tell me.  If you know what you need, you don't think about what they say.  

Now yours has some style, blue is not my color but that is definitely an improvement. Jesus you'd think I called someone's kid or wife ugly. I never said it was a bad reel, it just doesn't do anything better than any of my other reels except the steez. Honestly I've got reels at half the price of this one that perform better based on my first seven hours with it. I'm sure that will cause a tsunami of butthurt amongst the daiwa diehards as well. I really like the spool but the rest of it is just bleh for me. I ordered a boost spool for my steez last night so that reel will finally leave the rod locker and join my lites on the deck. Hey if you like it fine, I just don't think its superior to any other reels at it's price point.

[Tatulatard]

This guy is a zillion with factory adapter to take 34 mil spools.  It's a zillion you can drop a zillion 1000 spool into.  They reel was called the SV103 but its an old zillion.  Will it cast as well as the zillion 1000 let alone the steez sz tw with a zillion 1000 boost spool?  Don't know.  As you have found out the same spool in different daiwa platforms can have different braking profiles due to magnet strength or magnet distance variations between platforms.  Somebody else have to have done the swap and spilled the beans.  This is how word got out about how good the zillion 1000 boost spool is in the steez sv tw.  

[bulldog1935]

This thread began with promise - I'm taking these 2 reels fishing.  

Then it went polar - dump on Zillion.  

If anything was so bad, it wouldn't be in the market.  We're generally the last group that's going to hype something, and most of us can find the right niche for any piece of tackle.  

[PhishLI]

6 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

This thread began with promise - I'm taking these 2 reels fishing. 

Now that's it's been revealed that the spool tension is being leaned into enough to cast at 2 or 4 on the dial...comparisons to how the vast majority of people fish this reel are quite meaningless, regardless of whether he likes it or not.

[Phil77]

3 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

This thread began with promise - I'm taking these 2 reels fishing.  

Then it went polar - dump on Zillion.  

If anything was so bad, it wouldn't be in the market.  We're generally the last group that's going to hype something, and most of us can find the right niche for any piece of tackle.  

Hey I just pointed out the looks and the problems I had with the brakes not getting as low as I'd like. I thought the point of this board was to post about firsthand experience with these reels or is that only if it's a glowing non critical experience? My daughter is out here with me today using a stock SD with an 1/8 jig and bobby garland. This is her 5th one to my 0. The zillion is doing fine with the same jig and the brakes on 10.

4 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Now that's it's been revealed that the spool tension is being leaned into enough to cast at 2 or 4 on the dial...comparisons to how the vast majority of people fish this reel are quite meaningless, regardless of whether he likes it or not.

I run most of my spools loose or with wiggle however you want to define it. I couldn't cast  the zillion without it fluffing on 4 with the factory setting. So enlighten me, what was I doing wrong? Are we not allowed to tighten spool tension anymore either? It wasn't locked down.

[bulldog1935]

You could have asked what you were doing wrong.  

You proved I don't like this number is an ineffective way to set up a reel.  

Mine casts 1/8 oz into next week on 8, but not because of the number.  

[Phil77]

Jesus, I put the boost spool in my steez SV tw before even casting the zillion. The steez with it's stock spool would get hardly any distance maybe 80 feet with a casting plug. The boost spool in my steez was zipping with the dial on 2. Now swap over to the zillion and go to the lake first 10 casts work down from 10 on the dial to 4 and it starts fluffing. On 5 no problems but go down one and if fluffs not blowing up but close. Now at this point I've done what I've done with every other reel for the past 25 years and lightly increase spool tension to get it to stop looping/fluffing. I didn't lock it down but I couldn't go lower than a 4 without adding more tension which may stress may have made the handle bind on retrieve. So now that I've thoroughly explained it please tell me the right way because that way has worked for me just fine for a couple decades. It's worked on any other reel I've ever had but apparently I don't know what I'm doing.

[bulldog1935]

Wrong.  

Take back the last mag notch, and you're 100% set.  

 

enjoy your thread - i'm outta here

[Phil77]

Unless the wind is screaming like today I hardly rely on the brakes and run them very low on most my reels. Now when I'm doing that it's just wrist flicks, not putting elbows or shoulders into it and it's worked great for years.

3 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

Wrong.  

Take back the last mag notch, and you're 100% set.  

Well it's set how I like it and I'm sure I could tie on a 3/4 jig and six inch paddle tail and spool it if I wanted to.  

[AlabamaSpothunter]

1 hour ago, bulldog1935 said:

d**n ugly reel.  

A new twist on the fanboy thread, spinning Vs. baitcasting, etc.  

BTW, next time you see VS on a threat title, read same old BS.  

Susceptibility to marketing hype seems to be a generational thing, as in, I wouldn't know what I need if they didn't tell me.  If you know what you need, you don't think about what they say.  

Haha, all I know I need is a gucci Zillion like that, heck I just need another stock Zillion ?

 

I love the way Zillion SV TW looks.   Literally the only complaint I can come up with since late Aug. is that they don't use an AI drag dial like on the Zillion TW HD.   

 

Eventually I'll get around to replacing it with something like you got going on.  A metal drag dial just fits this reel better.  

 

See I can knock the Zillion too.  

[Phil77]

1 hour ago, Tatulatard said:

This guy is a zillion with factory adapter to take 34 mil spools.  It's a zillion you can drop a zillion 1000 spool into.  They reel was called the SV103 but its an old zillion.  Will it cast as well as the zillion 1000 let alone the steez sz tw with a zillion 1000 boost spool?  Don't know.  As you have found out the same spool in different daiwa platforms can have different braking profiles due to magnet strength or magnet distance variations between platforms.  Somebody else have to have done the swap and spilled the beans.  This is how word got out about how good the zillion 1000 boost spool is in the steez sv tw.  

See Daiwa already has the patent and trademark for these, would it kill them to at least do a limited or test release? I would hand them my wallet if they would put out some non twing or zero adjuster versions of the  older zillion, pixy, Sol, and Fuego. Guess they just don't think those older reels would catch the eye of the younger generation.

[Phil77]

1 hour ago, Tatulatard said:

This guy is a zillion with factory adapter to take 34 mil spools.  It's a zillion you can drop a zillion 1000 spool into.  They reel was called the SV103 but its an old zillion.  Will it cast as well as the zillion 1000 let alone the steez sz tw with a zillion 1000 boost spool?  Don't know.  As you have found out the same spool in different daiwa platforms can have different braking profiles due to magnet strength or magnet distance variations between platforms.  Somebody else have to have done the swap and spilled the beans.  This is how word got out about how good the zillion 1000 boost spool is in the steez sv tw.  

This is what they need to bring back. I had a chance at a used one years ago and still kick myself for not pulling the trigger on it.

[suzuki2903]

A good Lews reel will out cast a zillion definitely and isn’t as bulky feeling .   The zillion is better than the tatula sv tw but it’s still over braked and not as good of a skipping reel . Daiwa fanboys won’t ever admit it lol 

[dodgeguy]

I'm not knocking Diawa but I've always thought they were ugly. Just not my style. Shimano was always better looking IMHO. The most ergonomic comfortable reel to me is the Custom Lite. That of course would depend on your hand and finger sizes.Between the 4.9 oz weight and the size and shape I find it hard to put down. I just wish it came in a 6 and 8 speed also.

[king fisher]

The best reel I have ever fished with is my JDM Zillion SV I bought last fall for $230 from Digitka.

There may be a better reel for the money but I don't want to hear about it.  The Monkey was on my back for months before I bought the Zillion.  He already laughs every time I cast one of my other reels, and screams get rid of your old junk.  I don't want him to climb back on whispering in my ear about an even better reel I need to try.

[waymont]

18 hours ago, Phil77 said:

I can palm the lews without feeling the dial or plaque, not so much with the silver curado.

You are enjoying trolling. You needed some one to pay attention to you today?

[Cbump]

15 hours ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

Haha, all I know I need is a gucci Zillion like that, heck I just need another stock Zillion ?

 

I love the way Zillion SV TW looks.   Literally the only complaint I can come up with since late Aug. is that they don't use an AI drag dial like on the Zillion TW HD.   

 

Eventually I'll get around to replacing it with something like you got going on.  A metal drag dial just fits this reel better.  

 

See I can knock the Zillion too.  

you’re in luck because I have that star drag in the classifieds!

[AlabamaSpothunter]

Just now, Cbump said:

you’re in luck because I have that star drag in the classifieds!

I saw it 

 

I can't have down time for the Zillion while it's OEM drag is shipped, I can't fish without it, it just sucks, you know this ?

 

Building the arsenal back ain't cheap, I'm a few more rigs short of having a nice layout to start customizing handles, knobs, drag dials, etc.   

[Cbump]

No biggie! Just ship It once you receive the zpi and change It out! 
 

 

[LonnieP]

20 hours ago, suzuki2903 said:

A good Lews reel will out cast a zillion definitely and isn’t as bulky feeling .   The zillion is better than the tatula sv tw but it’s still over braked and not as good of a skipping reel . Daiwa fanboys won’t ever admit it lol 

This is the first time I’ve heard someone say the Zillion is bulky. I have 3 of them and I think they are the perfect size.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

I love this thread anytime a thread triggers Daiwa Fanboys I love it.