Are most people opposed to live sonar?

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How many times are you going to tell us about the Muskie tournament? 

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Just now, Cbump said:

How many times are you going to tell us about the Muskie tournament? 

As many times as it takes.  Better refill your coffee.

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Takes for what? You’re not changing anyone’s mind. You think one thing, others think different. 
 

The majority do not care about what some Muskie fisherman did. Or about panfish in MN. This is a bass forum right? 

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38 minutes ago, Cbump said:

You think one thing, others think different. 

Completely agree.  Based on the responses in this entire thread, that's the case here and we can have a civilized discussion on the subject.  I'm not not against using it or having it, I just think there needs to be some kind of limit.  And eventually I think there will be.

 

I'm not in any tournaments here so my point of view is vastly different than someone like yours who is looking at it from a competitive point of view.

 

Just wondering, do you have it on your rig and how many units do you have?

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9” bird at console with SI, 7” bird at bow with DI, 10” garmin at bow, Livescope being delivered today. 

[gulfcaptain]

1 hour ago, gimruis said:

So you're OK with someone mounting 8 live or FFS units on their boat then.  OK.

 

As previously stated multiple times now, a team showed up in northern Wisconsin on the PMTT last July doing just that and cleaned house in a 2 day event.  All they did was scan the lake for muskies and then throw every lure they had at it, until they pestered it long enough to bite.  That's not fishing, and the Board of Directors saw it the same way.  Banned every live sonar unit for the remainder of the season.  It matters now because its against the rules.

 

Do I see this happening on a pro bass tour?  Maybe.  If someone showed up with a dozen live sonar units and cleaned house in an event because of it, I am pretty sure there would be a response from the rule makers and the rest of the competitors would be out with pitchforks too.

 

I am not against using it.  I've stated this many times.  But there should be a limit.  @Team9nine proposal on maximum screen size per boat is a pretty good idea.  There's limits on outboard size, there's limits on speed, there's limits on legal fishing hours, there's limits on lures/strategies, etc.  Are you against all those limits too?  

You realize they would have to have a dozen black box and transducers.  I remember this story and so finding a fish and pestering it to bite.....isn't that what people do bed fishing? Also believe that tournament  was tough and they happened to have a ffs unit which they fished with the whole season and did really well in this ONE event and everyone decided they needed it banned  because they got their butts whipped.  What was illegal? What did they do that was against the law? I think you're over exaggerated in "they had a dozen units".  And you realize the honest active distance is about 80ft of coverage, not to mention the power draw and space needed to mount a dozen let alone 8 black boxes, data hubs, and batteies to run it all. And about the other questions no I'm not. But there isn't anything screens or ffs does that is "illegal." If an organization  wants to ban it then I wouldn't fish with that group. You're going extreme in your examples. Yeah I've seen some now have 2 units, one to a trolling motor and one on a pole for use on spotlock fishing. Is it illegal, no it's smart.  So what if they want to put 3 16" screens on the deck and clutter it. Does it give them any advantage in fishing within the rules. Absolutely not. It gives them information on the area they are in. It's not fishing with minnows, not out before competition hours, not illegally harvesting, or fishing off-limits.  It's information.  They are limited on what they can have.  And most its 5 units. 2 in the console and 3 upfront.  Bigger screens take more room so there's your limit. 3 12" screens is about the most on a bow you could fit. Most use 10" screens. I use 2 9"s but not opposed to another if I'm able to get a 360, then most run 2 12" or 16" in the console. Seen more of the 2 12" then the 16"s. But there doesn't need to be a screen max. If they want to hinder themselves with that much clutter upfront that's their choice. It's not gonna make them a better fisherman. Still comes down to you having to catch that fish on an artificial.  And your 40" rule, 5 -7" units and a 5". Still have 8 on the boat. What would it fix in your rule...  I could  still have that many under your screen size rule.  I should have been on the debate team in school....lol

[Team9nine]

24 minutes ago, gulfcaptain said:

  And your 40" rule, 5 -7" units and a 5". Still have 8 on the boat. What would it fix in your rule...

What am I missing? 5 units at 7 inches and 1 unit at 5 inches = 6 units, not 8, does it not?

 

Not  designed to “fix” anything. It just caps the technology at a set parameter to try and keep everyone on a level playing field, yet still allow some personal flexibility and freedom to allow each angler to customize their setup to their style and strengths - like they cap everything else in the rules in the name of fair competition (16 pages worth of Bassmaster ‘rules’ last I checked.

 

My own thought from your example above is that few anglers would go for more units at the expense of size, because greater size = more detail and easier/enhanced viewing, so you’d inherently see less units on boats, not more.

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38 minutes ago, gulfcaptain said:

Also believe that tournament  was tough and they happened to have a ffs unit which they fished with the whole season and did really well in this ONE event and everyone decided they needed it banned  because they got their butts whipped.

My understanding is that they used 1 unit for the previous events, and then showed up with 8.  Not an exaggeration.  So the correlation is there for just that one event.  It just so happens that the same team used this exact rig in November of 2021 and caught a new MN state record out of Mille Lacs lake.  Coincidence?  Seems like more than just a coincidence.  I have a personal connection to these guys through my direct supervisor at work.  It really happened.  So not only did they blow away the competition in one event but they also have their name in the state record book because of it.  Sketchy at best.

 

I do think it was a knee jerk reaction by the Directors of the tour banning it completely though.

 

There is only one pro muskie tour too.  It has nowhere near the following or popularity that pro bass tours do.  So you can't just leave it and join another one.  Its this one or none.

[Logan S]

28 minutes ago, gimruis said:

Sketchy at best.

How so?  Did they illegally snag the fish?  Is there any legitimate reason to call them sketchy?  It's not fair cast a poor light on these anglers just because you don't like how they did it.

 

You don't fish bass tournaments, you don't fish musky tournaments (do you even fish for musky at all?), and you don't have FFS to even have firsthand knowledge of it's usage.  

 

So how does any of this actually impact you?

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Logan S said:

You don't fish bass tournaments, you don't fish musky tournaments (do you even fish for musky at all?), and you don't have FFS to even have firsthand knowledge of it's usage.  

 

So how does any of this actually impact you?

The title of the thread reads "Are most people opposed to live sonar?"

 

It does not read "Does live sonar actually impact you?"

 

Yes, I muskie fish.

 

And live sonar no doubt impacts the amount of fish being harvested here.  I fish here, so it impacts me.

 

I think I'm finished here.

 

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1 hour ago, gimruis said:

think I'm finished here.

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7 minutes ago, Cbump said:

whew

 

[gulfcaptain]

11 hours ago, Team9nine said:

What am I missing? 5 units at 7 inches and 1 unit at 5 inches = 6 units, not 8, does it not?

 

Not  designed to “fix” anything. It just caps the technology at a set parameter to try and keep everyone on a level playing field, yet still allow some personal flexibility and freedom to allow each angler to customize their setup to their style and strengths 

You got me it's 6. I'm for ffs, don't care if some don't like it. It ain't leaving.  If someone caught a world record of any kind using it as long as it was done legally awesome for them.  Fair playing field,  I'm not into fair playing fields. When I fish tournaments I fish to win. Not get a participation  ribbon.  And I don't care who I'm fishing against, it comes down to ME. I have to do my part and catch fish.  Ffs doesn't catch fish,  the person using it does. But been a good discussion and my vote is a yes, I love it as a tool and for the info it gives me in real time. Now excuse me I need to figure out where I'm gonna put the other 4 black boxes and units.....lol

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On 3/16/2023 at 8:40 AM, gimruis said:

As previously stated multiple times now, a team showed up in northern Wisconsin on the PMTT last July doing just that and cleaned house in a 2 day event.  All they did was scan the lake for muskies and then throw every lure they had at it, until they pestered it long enough to bite.  That's not fishing, and the Board of Directors saw it the same way.  Banned every live sonar unit for the remainder of the season.  It matters now because its against the rules. 

 

Even though the results of a single tournament seems like knee jerk reaction to me, In a niche sport like musky tournament fishing, I can see how having a perceived level playing field makes sense as a business decision, in a multi tour, multi owner, multi business model one like bass fishing, not so much. But ultimately, as I have said before, show me the rules, and let's go, no matter what they are. I don't have to agree with the rules to cash checks.

[thediscochef]

On 3/14/2023 at 6:13 AM, gimruis said:

For those of you that aren't against live sonar or FFS, are you against the number of units that should be permitted into competition?  Just wondering if you think 1 or 5 or 8 is fine, regardless of how many are mounted on the boat.

 

I'm accepting of this technology in tournaments (and general use by recreational anglers), I just think there needs to be a limit.  Like 1 unit per boat or something like that.  Although I think its ungodly boring to watch anglers stare at a screen in competition, its another tool that can be used in order to finish higher in the standings.

Bass fishing as a money-making sport is the ultimate pay-to-play *IF* you can actually utilize all the fancy gear. Plenty of tournaments are won by folks without all the bells and whistles. That said, eventually people will figure it out and unless you want to pay the troll toll you ain't gettin into that fishin hole. I do think there's a market for a "Lake X Old Fashioned Classic" or something like that. No sonar, no bells and whistles, just boat, man, rod. I would watch that; currently I think fishing tournaments are significantly less exciting than watching paint dry

[bowhunter63]

I Fish Rivers 99 percent of the time. I like looking around and not locked in a screen. I love when they crush the bait out of know where . Just not for me . I see cover or current breaks I fish it 

[TnRiver46]

1 hour ago, thediscochef said:

Bass fishing as a money-making sport is the ultimate pay-to-play *IF* you can actually utilize all the fancy gear. Plenty of tournaments are won by folks without all the bells and whistles. That said, eventually people will figure it out and unless you want to pay the troll toll you ain't gettin into that fishin hole. I do think there's a market for a "Lake X Old Fashioned Classic" or something like that. No sonar, no bells and whistles, just boat, man, rod. I would watch that; currently I think fishing tournaments are significantly less exciting than watching paint dry

Yeah there’s a market for that…… only problem is, it’s a much smaller market that would lead to bankruptcy 

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On 3/16/2023 at 8:45 AM, gimruis said:

As many times as it takes.  Better refill your coffee.

 

LOL. my grandmother used to tell me bed times stories from memory, and they would be a little different each time, but the funniest was when she would fall asleep half way through. I just remembered about that a couple of days ago when we had two really windy days (howling, gusty shake and rattle the house windy), and I was joking with the wife about being the little pigs with the brick face and siding house. 

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3 minutes ago, Deleted account said:

LOL. my grandmother used to tell me bed times stories from memory, and they would be a little different each time, but the funniest was when she would fall asleep half way through.

I was recently in a grueling training session at work and my supervisor was sitting right next to me the entire week.  The guy drinks mountain dew like its a religion.  The training was ungodly boring for 9 hours/day.  Every time we'd have a break, he'd come back with another mountain dew lol.  There was a girl sitting next to him in the training that finally asked "how many of those things are you gonna drink" when he returned with a full size liter of it, and his response was "as many as it takes."

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1 minute ago, gimruis said:

I was recently in a grueling training session at work and my supervisor was sitting right next to me the entire week.  The guy drinks mountain dew like its a religion.  The training was ungodly boring for 9 hours/day.  Every time we'd have a break, he'd come back with another mountain dew lol.  There was a girl sitting next to him in the training that finally asked "how many of those things are you gonna drink" when he returned with a full size liter of it and his response was "as many as it takes."

 

Mountain Dew fiends are almost as bad as crackheads, but in his defense, the Power Point nod off-head snap can cause neck injuries...

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Just now, Deleted account said:

Power Point

Lmao that's exactly what it was.  A whole freaking week of power point.  Unbearable.

[thediscochef]

4 hours ago, TnRiver46 said:

Yeah there’s a market for that…… only problem is, it’s a much smaller market that would lead to bankruptcy 

That's for the creditors to decide

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[TnRiver46]

9 hours ago, Cbump said:

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Slick 

[InfantryMP]

10 hours ago, Cbump said:

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Looks good, I like the tall mounts, If I ever upgrade my screen sizes, I will be raising mine up as well. Alot easier to manage waypoints when you do not have to bend all the way over lol.