Are most people opposed to live sonar?

[Catt]

12 minutes ago, Cbump said:

the minority that are really good at using It, but there are waaaaay more people that own It that don’t even know what they’re  doing.

 

The heaviest five-fish limit ever reported in a tournament on Toledo Bend is 42.36#. This was during a Bass Champs tournament on February 11, 2023. 

 

I will look at all the results from first to last place. During this particular tournament I noticed several "hammers", "sticks", that skunked! They all had foward facing sonar!

[Mobasser]

I don't have FFS yet. I'm not sure if or when I'll get it. But, it's here. We have to accept it. Some guys will love it, and like other new things, some guys will be against it. Either way it's here. 

[Cbump]

I’ve got my new garmin 106sv and Str8up mount sitting in my room. Ordering my amped outdoors 32ah lithium today. Will have livescope 34 ordered and installed by end of the month. I’m all in baby! 

[DitchPanda]

10 hours ago, Deleted account said:

 

Every sport has a sweet spot, sure fishing isn't gymnastics or figure skating, but you loose a step every year after a certain age. There will always be outliers, but I can't see someone dominating after their mid 40s or so. I remember I was 31 when I first noticed I had lost a bit of foot and hand speed along with reflexes in tennis, not to mention mental drive and physical stamina, 60 is the new 60..

I started dating my wife at 28, ill be 40 in a few months. I was moving one heavy crap in the basement last weekend. She asked if I still felt as strong as I did when we first got together. I just laughed.

 

53 minutes ago, Captain Phil said:

 

Success is not about who is "hot" at the moment, it's about lifetime achievement.  The problem with getting old is once you have life figured out, you are gone.   Hopefully, you pass along some of the things you learned.

 I'm not taking anything away from anybody, there is no doubt a ton of learning opportunity with guys like Clunn and Blaukat. They have an undeniable wealth of knowledge on bass behaviour, boat operations, tournament etiquette. I was speaking purely to the continued tournament success.

 I used to watch Randy all the time, but I got tired of his hypocrisy. He would ***** about electronics then talk about how much 2D sonar helped him when it came out. The next video he's complaining about how many people are getting into tournament fishing, followed quickly by a tournament recap video. I just don't understand why he gets to do things but if anybody else does its unfair or cheating.

[Tennessee Boy]

The people who believe in live sonar the most seem to be the ones that don’t have it yet.  It’s easy to imagine how it can revolutionize your fishing.  It’s harder to actually do it.

 

I’ve had Humminbird MEGA Live for about a year.  I absolutely love it but I also know that I’ve caught fewer fish in the last year because of it.  It changed the game and I’m a rookie at the new game.  I can tell you stories about fish I caught with it that I would have never caught without it.  I also know that I didn’t catch fish while I was messing with the settings.   I spent a lot of time chasing non bass that I could see on the screen and spent a lot of time throwing at fish that would follow but not strike. 
 

One trip I was forced to fish with only my console fish finder and none of my bow electronics due to a battery charging mistake.  I had to switch back to the techniques that had served me well for decades and I had the best day of the year.  My second best day,  the fish were so close to the bank that I rarely looked at my electronics.
 

I love live sonar because it makes fishing more interesting.  Knowing that a fish followed my lure but didn’t take it makes a cast much more interesting than just throwing a lure out and reeling it in.  I’m also learning a lot about bass behavior and even more about baitfish behavior.  I’m convinced that it’s making me a better angler but like everything it takes time on the water to master.  I’m also convinced that most anglers will not take the time necessary to master it because most anglers have not mastered the electronics they already have.

Time will tell how much live sonar will change fishing.  The fish may have to adapt.   The fish and wildlife agencies may even have to adapt.  I have no doubt that all the hype will fade with time when the next new thing capture our attention.

 

[Captain Phil]

1 hour ago, Cbump said:

This is ridiculous. No one is forcing anyone else to buy the 100k bass boat. There are other options. 
 

As far as FFS…I know exactly ZERO people that own It who know how to utilize It properly. And I know a lot that own It. The vast majority that have It, put in their boat then go beat the bank anyway. Just like before with sidescan.  Doesn’t bother me at all for It to be allowed in local derbies. In fact, I don’t even think about It. Not sure why a bunch of bank beaters and bass buster pond fisherman on forums care either. I assure you no one cares that you don’t like watching a pro stare at a screen. It’s not like bass tournaments have ever drawn viewers like other sports anyway. 
 

As far as “decimating” fish numbers…that’s up to the wildlife agencies to manage with bag limits. The bag limits were set for a reason. Who cares if you catch 25 crappie in 10 minutes with FFS or 25 crappie in 7 hours. It’s still 25 crappie. If it’s made It too easy to get the bag limit, to the point where so many people are doing It and decimating a fishery (which I doubt) then they should drop the bag limit. 
 

The hammers with ffs, were the hammers without ffs. Social media (including this forum) highlight the minority that are really good at using It, but there are waaaaay more people that own It that don’t even know what they’re  doing. 
 

This is all much ado about nothing and will go away before too long (except for the whiners). 

 

News flash. It’s still fishing. 

 

My concern with the cost of bass fishing is that it causes people to believe they "need" expensive boats, tackle and electronics to catch bass.  Most of us started out being "bank beaters and bass buster pond fisherman".  Many still are.  When I began fishing, bass fishing was a poor man's sport fish.  All I see in TV bass tournaments these days are a bunch of guys shilling for sponsors.   Bass tournament fishing is not bass fishing, it's a competition between anglers.  The fish are secondary. 

[Catt]

"Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life, as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed" - Booker T. Washington

[Deleted account]

50 minutes ago, Catt said:

"Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life, as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed" - Booker T. Washington

 

If, by Rudyard Kipling...

 

If you can keep your head when all about you   

    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

    But make allowance for their doubting too;   

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,

Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,

    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

 

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   

    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

    And treat those two impostors just the same;   

If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken

    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,

    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

 

If you can make one heap of all your winnings

    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,

And lose, and start again at your beginnings

    And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew

    To serve your turn long after they are gone,   

And so hold on when there is nothing in you

    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

 

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   

    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,

If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,

    If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute

    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   

Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   

    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

[Cbump]

1 hour ago, Captain Phil said:

 

My concern with the cost of bass fishing is that it causes people to believe they "need" expensive boats, tackle and electronics to catch bass.  Most of us started out being "bank beaters and bass buster pond fisherman".  Many still are.  When I began fishing, bass fishing was a poor man's sport fish.  All I see in TV bass tournaments these days are a bunch of guys shilling for sponsors.   Bass tournament fishing is not bass fishing, it's a competition between anglers.  The fish are secondary. 

 

Why does what others think they need bother you? What others want, perceive they need, and have is no concern of mine. 

1 hour ago, Tennessee Boy said:

The people who believe in live sonar the most seem to be the ones that don’t have it yet.

Ive used It a lot on my 76 year old friends boat. He bought It and literally has no idea what to do with It. Scared to even play with the settings. 
 

I don’t believe it’ll revolutionize my fishing. But I do think it’s a tool I’ll utilize. Oh and I fish derbies lol. 

[Deleted account]

7 minutes ago, Cbump said:

8 minutes ago, Cbump said:

Why does what others think they need bother you? What others want, perceive they need, and have is no concern of mine.

 

 

Remember the time folks "thought" that it was a good idea to lend money to folks who clearly couldn't possibly repay it, and also "thought" that it would be a good idea to repackage these loans into smoke and mirror derivative investments? 

[Cbump]

1 minute ago, Deleted account said:

 

Remember the time folks "thought" that it was a good idea to lend money to folks who clearly couldn't possibly repay it, and also "thought" that it would be a good idea to repackage these loans into smoke and mirror derivative investments? 

Is that the same thing as people owning livescope or a bass boat? 
 

There’s a lot of people out there with a lot of money. More people can afford these boats than you may think. 

[Deleted account]

2 minutes ago, Cbump said:

Is that the same thing as people owning livescope or a bass boat? 
 

There’s a lot of people out there with a lot of money. More people can afford these boats than you may think. 

 

No, it's the same thing as thinking that what other folks do or think doesn't affect you because you don't think or participate.

[AlabamaSpothunter]

2 minutes ago, Cbump said:

Is that the same thing as people owning livescope or a bass boat? 
 

There’s a lot of people out there with a lot of money. More people can afford these boats than you may think. 

Or more likely there are a lot more people out there with okay credit and a willingness to pay for a Bass boat over a decade +.

 

It's like anything in America today, many people are overextended and have empires built on credit.   But from the outside nobody sees the scramble to make payments each month.

 

Had a few buddies lose top of the line Bass rigs after getting swallowed by the payment book.  

 

 

[Cbump]

1 minute ago, Deleted account said:

 

No, it's the same thing as thinking that what other folks do or think doesn't affect you because you don't think or participate.

That’s apples to oranges. We’re talking about bass fishing here. That’s It. Not a mortgage crash or student loans or any other of a million things others can do to affect everyone. 
I see first hand every day in my profession how what other folks do affects people. 

Just now, AlabamaSpothunter said:

Or more likely there are a lot more people out there with okay credit and a willingness to pay for a Bass boat over a decade +.

 

It's like anything in America today, many people are overextended and have empires built on credit.   But from the outside nobody sees the scramble to make payments each month.

 

Had a few buddies lose top of the line Bass rigs after getting swallowed by the payment book.  

 

 

It happens. It also happens that many people pay cash. There’s a National bass boat forum I can’t name on here that is more indicative of bass boat owners than this forum. 

[Deleted account]

1 minute ago, Cbump said:

That’s apples to oranges. We’re talking about bass fishing here. That’s It. Not a mortgage crash or student loans or any other of a million things others can do to affect everyone. 
I see first hand every day in my profession how what other folks do affects people. 

 

More like Granny Smiths and Golden Delicious, If you don't see it, I'm not typing the explanation, maybe over a couple of beers...

[Cbump]

2 minutes ago, Deleted account said:

 

More like Granny Smiths and Golden Delicious, If you don't see it, I'm not typing the explanation, maybe over a couple of beers...

 
It’s close and I’d love to sit down to beers lol 

[Captain Phil]

38 minutes ago, Cbump said:

 

Why does what others think they need bother you? What others want, perceive they need, and have is no concern of mine.

 

I am concerned that young people will get the wrong idea about bass fishing.   Bass fishing is about doing something that doesn't take a computer, a phone or a big bank account.  It's learning about nature, spending quality time with friends and perhaps even bonding with your family.   I took my son fishing when he was a child.  He still fishes today.  My grandfather and I fished off the bank.   We have a lifetime of memories that no computer can replace.  TV bass tournaments are reality shows.   I find them boring.   Real bass fishing is nothing like that.

[Cbump]

18 minutes ago, Captain Phil said:

 

I am concerned that young people will get the wrong idea about bass fishing.   Bass fishing is about doing something that doesn't take a computer, a phone or a big bank account.  It's learning about nature, spending quality time with friends and perhaps even bonding with your family.   I took my son fishing when he was a child.  He still fishes today.  My grandfather and I fished off the bank.   We have a lifetime of memories that no computer can replace.  TV bass tournaments are reality shows.   I find them boring.   Real bass fishing is nothing like that.

I’m with you but that’s just what bass fishing is to you and I. That’s not what It is to everyone. To others it’s a job. To some it’s to be in nature. To some it’s a pursuit of only trophy bass. To others it’s for the competition of tournaments. Others don’t care as much about the fish as they do about go fast boats. 
There’s no right or wrong. 

[Tennessee Boy]

I would say 80% of the bass boat owners I have known could not afford their boat.  I’m not saying they couldn’t/didn’t pay off the loan.  I’m saying they didn’t understand the implications of the debt they were taking on.  I bought my current boat in 2018 for $32K.  I could have paid cash for any bass boat on the market.  If I had paid $110K for a boat I would not have been able to retire 4 years later at 59.  If I had spent the last 35 years fishing out of top of the line bass boats I’d be working another 10 years.

[Cbump]

Mine ships Monday. 

[thediscochef]

The FFS cat is out of the bag, the bag is gone to the dump, and you're alone with the cat. Also the cat is watching you on livescope.

 

If I could afford truck+fiberglass+FFS I would do it without hesitation. I don't think I've seen any legitimate arguments against the FFS technology, in terms of actually harming fisheries or being environmentally problematic. It's mostly just purists, and people who are upset because they can't afford/understand how to use it, and want those things to be someone else's fault. ?‍♂️?‍♂️ don't spend my two cents all in once place, not in this economy

[FishOn!GetTheNet]

I’m fine with forward facing sonar yes I have it and I had it back when it was the original panoptix is it a game changer yes will I ever fish without it probably not have. I’ve been beat by people that don’t have it. Yes, all the tools and gimmicks in the world Still don’t put fish in the boat. It all comes down to the angler using it. I will agree with some of you guys out there though Randy is a troll. I can’t stand his videos or his opinions. 

[Fishin Dad]

I am against it.  Eventually, all people are going to do is strap on screens to their face and sit around.  I don’t even like watching tournaments where everyone is staring at screens.  I am only 53 years old, but technology is out of control.   Do I have technology in my boat, yes.   Am I a hypocrite, maybe.  I just think we have to draw the line somewhere, and why not start now.  
And, NO, I don’t watch Randy videos.   Just my two cents.  

[gim]

1 hour ago, Fishin Dad said:

I don’t even like watching tournaments where everyone is staring at screens.

Those are the worst. Midsummer up north where they’re all drop shotting for smallmouth. Terribly boring way to fish, and even worse to watch. Haha

[Fishingmickey]

On 3/10/2023 at 7:59 PM, DitchPanda said:

I agree to a point, but if that was 100% true then Rick Clunn and Randy Blaukat would be dominating.

 

Please don't include Randy when your speaking about one of the greats.

FM.