Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted March 9, 2023 Global Moderator Posted March 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said: what do they do with the salt byproduct? If you take it out……. Then put it back in…… where do you come up with the surplus? Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted March 9, 2023 Super User Posted March 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: If you take it out……. Then put it back in…… where do you come up with the surplus? you take it out. then water the plants, drink it, put it into swimming pools. you saying you put it back into the...sewage? maybe i dont understand. where exactly are you putting it back in? we studied it in college. my wastewater class. professor said the biggest problem was the byproduct. been 20 years since that class, but i remember it. Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted March 9, 2023 Super User Posted March 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said: you take it out. then water the plants, drink it, put it into swimming pools. you saying you put it back into the...sewage? maybe i dont understand. where exactly are you putting it back in? we studied it in college. my wastewater class. professor said the biggest problem was the byproduct. been 20 years since that class, but i remember it. You either mine it, or you put it back in the ocean. We won't do it here, too much $. Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted March 9, 2023 Global Moderator Posted March 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said: you take it out. then water the plants, drink it, put it into swimming pools. you saying you put it back into the...sewage? maybe i dont understand. where exactly are you putting it back in? we studied it in college. my wastewater class. professor said the biggest problem was the byproduct. been 20 years since that class, but i remember it. You posted earlier the oceans would be extra salty if you put it back . If you take it out, then put it back, wouldn’t it then be equally salty? Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted March 9, 2023 Super User Posted March 9, 2023 Just now, TnRiver46 said: You posted earlier the oceans would be extra salty if you put it back . If you take it out, then put it back, wouldn’t it then be equally salty? No, but it's like the fly on the elephant. Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted March 9, 2023 Super User Posted March 9, 2023 Just now, TnRiver46 said: You posted earlier the oceans would be extra salty if you put it back . If you take it out, then put it back, wouldn’t it then be equally salty? ahhhh...sorry. i assume the water is gone. so the water gets saltier. a stronger dilution. hahaha..sorry, i was totally unclear. Just now, Deleted account said: No, but it's like the fly on the elephant. but if there are a billion flies? we know where this is going. we cant even manage our prescription pill surplus. Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted March 9, 2023 Super User Posted March 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said: we cant even manage our prescription pill surplus. The ones from Matamoros won't be adding to the surplus for now. Quote
JediAmoeba Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 Not here in Pa - we had warming trends and fish were moving up. Now we are back to 3rd winter. Quote
Super User gim Posted March 9, 2023 Super User Posted March 9, 2023 26 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said: where exactly are you putting it back in? My understanding is that they pump it back into the sea via a large pipe that has a discharge a ways out. Obviously you wouldn't want to dump the salt back into shallow water right by the shore. Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted March 9, 2023 Super User Posted March 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, JediAmoeba said: Not here in Pa - we had warming trends and fish were moving up. Now we are back to 3rd winter. us as well! i was getting my kayak ready, and now i am just back to watching the rain and figuring out what new stickers to paste onto my boat Quote
Super User NorcalBassin Posted March 10, 2023 Super User Posted March 10, 2023 11 hours ago, Darth-Baiter said: i have been talking the the Army corp guys. they said they are making some changes, but really it is about not blowing out our dams. back to the "gross mismanagement". they have 5 or six reserviors under a pilot program. they typically have a calendar date where they release water. now? they are basing those release dates on actual rain and snow. still risky, since a quick thaw can over burden the dams. they hope they can react in time... Just one example, but Melones dam isn't going to be at any risk anytime soon. 4th largest reservoir in the state and currently 47% of capacity and 128 feet away from being full while rising at a very modest 6"/day the past month. With all this rain coming it will likely go up 20-30 ft the next couple weeks, but at this point I'm just hoping they actually keep enough water in there to get the main ramp back in the water. Quote
Fishlegs Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 20 hours ago, Darth-Baiter said: what do they do with the salt byproduct? I'm no engineer or chemist, but couldn't it be used for treating icy roadways (big $ Dept. of Transportation contracts), certain cleaning solutions, abrasion/power washing, weed/pest control, or for industrial cooling processes? I know there would be challenges to these things, but there has to be an industrious business person who can find a way to make billions off of this. 2 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted March 10, 2023 Global Moderator Posted March 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Fishlegs said: I'm no engineer or chemist, but couldn't it be used for treating icy roadways (big $ Dept. of Transportation contracts), certain cleaning solutions, abrasion/power washing, weed/pest control, or for industrial cooling processes? I know there would be challenges to these things, but there has to be an industrious business person who can find a way to make billions off of this. Yep, should be easy. The Bi product of phosphate mines in Florida is fluorosilicic acid . Expensive to dispose of, of course they turn it to fluoride and sell it to municipalities to treat drinking water . Turn problem into profit 1 Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted March 10, 2023 Super User Posted March 10, 2023 Just a quick google says they currently put the brine back into the ocean. Which is what my professor says happens. Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted March 10, 2023 Global Moderator Posted March 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said: Just a quick google says they currently put the brine back into the ocean. Which is what my professor says happens. Seems like the easiest way, put it back where ya found it Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted March 10, 2023 Super User Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, TnRiver46 said: Seems like the easiest way, put it back where ya found it yup. that same professor would say, "the best solution to pollution is dilution" hahahha. Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted March 10, 2023 Super User Posted March 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said: Just a quick google says they currently put the brine back into the ocean. Which is what my professor says happens. 10 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said: yup. that same professor would say, "the best solution to pollution is dilution" hahahha. Lets look at some figures. Percentage of salt in ocean water 3.5% by mass (USGS) For every ton (cubic meter = 1,000 liters) of water desalinated, you get 35kg of salt Volume of the oceans = 13350011738632800 cubic meters (NOAH) Amount of salt in the oceans = 467250410852148 tons Percentage increase in salt for every ton of water desalinated = 7.49x10-17 (.0000000000000000749%) 1 Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted March 10, 2023 Super User Posted March 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, MN Fisher said: Lets look at some figures. Percentage of salt in ocean water 3.5% by mass (USGS) For every ton (cubic meter = 1,000 liters) of water desalinated, you get 35kg of salt Volume of the oceans = 13350011738632800 cubic meters (NOAH) Amount of salt in the oceans = 467250410852148 tons Percentage increase in salt for every ton of water desalinated = 7.49x10-17 (.0000000000000000749%) i'm and engineer. i took one water class. by your logic the entire ocean would be the same temp and salinity because it mixes? i cant get my cake batter to mix without stirring it. but whatever. i am not debating this. it is not my area of expertise. it was always just a thought. long term anything is always an afterthought. historically. you clearly are much better at this. you're probably a scientist using the exponents instead of running out the decimal point...ahhh..you did both!! 1 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted March 10, 2023 Super User Posted March 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Darth-Baiter said: i'm and engineer. i took one water class. by your logic the entire ocean would be the same temp and salinity because it mixes? i cant get my cake batter to mix without stirring it. but whatever. i am not debating this. it is not my area of expertise. it was always just a thought. long term anything is always an afterthought. historically. you clearly are much better at this. you're probably a scientist using the exponents instead of running out the decimal point...ahhh..you did both!! <- Aquatic Biology major in college - took Limnology classes for that. Figures are based on world-wide averages - of course there will be slight deviations based on location, but still...I think desalination on a large scale isn't going to affect the oceans to any noticeable degree. Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted March 10, 2023 Super User Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, MN Fisher said: <- Aquatic Biology major in college - took Limnology classes for that. Figures are based on world-wide averages - of course there will be slight deviations based on location, but still...I think desalination on a large scale isn't going to affect the oceans to any noticeable degree. i hope you are correct. profoundly. pumping stuff into our vast atmosphere is working out in a strange way. lets get back to talking about fishing, bud. ahhaha..but awesome thoughts. for sure. love the vast perspectives. Quote
Super User gim Posted March 11, 2023 Super User Posted March 11, 2023 On 3/10/2023 at 11:36 AM, Fishlegs said: I'm no engineer or chemist, but couldn't it be used for treating icy roadways (big $ Dept. of Transportation contracts), certain cleaning solutions, abrasion/power washing, weed/pest control, or for industrial cooling processes? I know there would be challenges to these things, but there has to be an industrious business person who can find a way to make billions off of this. They dump enormous amounts of salt on our roads up here in the winter. Then it all runs off in the spring when it melts and rains, right into the watershed. Some lakes in the twin cities are projected to be so salty within 50 years that life, including fish, will not be able to survive in them. Do I think something like that could happen in the ocean? No, as long as it’s not all discharged into one specific little area. Quote
Super User NorcalBassin Posted March 12, 2023 Super User Posted March 12, 2023 Had record snowfall the past couple weeks followed by an atmospheric river to melt most of the snow and now this. We don't do tornados out here, so it was quite the surprise to get the alert. Fortunately it "just" ended up being a lot of hail/heavy rain and nearly two hours of thunderstorms that didn't ever seem to not be rolling. I'm ready for spring. ? Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted March 12, 2023 Author Super User Posted March 12, 2023 Rain is gone! It's going to be cold and clear here for the next several days. 1 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted March 12, 2023 Super User Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, roadwarrior said: Rain is gone! It's going to be cold and clear here for the next several days. Trade ya.... Quote
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