Vision 110 question

[fin]

I found a Vision 110 floating in the lake with the hooks rusted off. I’ve been trying to replace the hooks and get it balanced to suspend horizontal, but when I get it to suspend or float, it usually sits heads-up, tail sunk. When jerked it will level off horizontal for a second, then the tail will usually sink. When I adjust the hardware to get it to sit horizontal, it slowly sinks.

 

Is it just supposed to sit like that?

 

Maybe this one is damaged from being in the lake too long. It’s transparent, so I can see there’s no condensation in there, but there is a little rust along the tracks the ball bearing rolls on. The ball rolls smoothly.

[AlabamaSpothunter]

Maybe damaged, but from the factory a 110 should sit nose down 45 degrees with just the tip of the tail poking from the water.    Shimano's WM suspends horizontally, along with a Jackall Rerange/Squidminnow.

 

They sell the actual outbarb replacement hooks, and someone will be along to give the proper splitring size.   IIrc they are #2s.   

 

I found one just like that, cleaned it up but haven't replaced the hardware yet.   Check for cracks because that's the only way the bait should have a sinking tail I'd imagine.  

[JediAmoeba]

The best hooks I have found are Daiichi Round Bend Death Trebles for the vision 110s

They sit like that because that's a result of the ball bearings that help with long casts. It's unfortunate but the fish don't seem to mind.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

3 G finesse nano trebles in #4 or 5 works.  You have to snap that transfer system back into the head of the bait in order for it it to be nose down.  

[fin]

11 hours ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

from the factory a 110 should sit nose down 45 degrees with just the tip of the tail poking from the water.

So AlabamaSpothunter is saying it should sit nose down.

 

10 hours ago, JediAmoeba said:

They sit like that because that's a result of the ball bearings that help with long casts.

JediAmoeba is saying it should sit nose up?

 

Maybe I should have done a poll...

 

5 hours ago, GetFishorDieTryin said:

You have to snap that transfer system back into the head of the bait in order for it it to be nose down.

Yeah, I have several jerkbaits that work like that. This 110 works like that for a second after you twitch it, but then the ball rolls back to the back.

[Tatulatard]

Maybe the tail is damaged and taking on water.  

[GetFishorDieTryin]

There could be around the rear hook hangar or somehow the magnet isn't functioning properly.  

[Smokinal]

A couple years ago, after hundreds of hook-bending fish, I replaced all the stock Katsuage hooks on all my 110's with the "most recommended" hook for them; I think it was an AMart GFinesse or something like that...couldn't catch a fish on any one of them.

Last season I put all new Katsuage back on them and they slay again.

The designers of the bait know more about these things than we do...put the stock hooks back on.

[roadwarrior]

11 hours ago, Smokinal said:

The designers of the bait know more about these things than we do...put the stock hooks back on.

Katsuage is my hook of choice.

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Megabass_Katsuage_Out_Barb_Treble_Hooks_5pk/descpage-MBKOBH.html

[fin]

12 hours ago, GetFishorDieTryin said:

There could be around the rear hook hangar or somehow the magnet isn't functioning properly.  

Where's the magnet?

 

11 hours ago, roadwarrior said:

Katsuage is my hook of choice.

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Megabass_Katsuage_Out_Barb_Treble_Hooks_5pk/descpage-MBKOBH.html

What size?

 

11 hours ago, Smokinal said:

The designers of the bait know more about these things than we do...put the stock hooks back on.

Yeah, I know some things on some baits are critical like that. Some stuff isn't as simple as it seems.

[Smokinal]

22 minutes ago, fin said:

 

 

Yeah, I know some things on some baits are critical like that. Some stuff isn't as simple as it seems.

Some small changes can make a drastic change in a bait.

I didn't mean to come across crass.

I had watched tons of vids, did hrs of homework before changing all those hooks. I watched the one we've all seen with the guy with the scale and the 3 different 110's; where he weighed them all with and without the hooks. Then he weighed them with his recommended hook and everything looked great...on video. The problem is they drastically changed the action of these baits for the worse. And the proof was in my catch rate.

My favorite 110's went from heros to zeros and back to heros...all because of different hooks.

Those things are just tweeked and designed with a certain style hook and, in my opinion, perform best with those exact hooks.

Idk, it's just not worth the loss in bites for a stouter hook.

[Logan S]

It's supposed to sit nose-down diagonally (I guess at like 45 degrees?) when 'in-action'.

 

After a cast, when the weights are in the tail from the cast, it will sit nose-up almost vertical...But as soon as you start moving the bait the weights will roll into the correct position and it will sit nose-down as it's supposed to.  Sometimes the weights can get stuck in the tail causing it to sit nose up all the time...A good tap or two will unfreeze them (if not, send it back to MB for a replacement). 

 

There are no magnets in a Vision 110.  The weights roll back and forth with gravity.  The Vision 110 has 2 ball bearings for the weight transfer, not 1.  I don't know of a 110 off the top of my head with a single ball for weigh transfer...Jr, +1, and FX are all two, the ITO Shiner is 3. 

 

#6 Katsuge Oubarbs are the direct replacement for a standard 110.  #5 G-Finesse have been said to be a very good alternative...However I prefer the factory outbarbs.

[fin]

4 hours ago, Logan S said:

The Vision 110 has 2 ball bearings for the weight transfer, not 1.

 

So that explains my problem. One of the ball bearings is stuck in the tail. I didn't know they both were supposed to roll. I have other jerk baits that have a stationary ball in the tail, so I thought it was designed that way. I had tried tapping on the ball to break it loose, but it's stuck good.

 

4 hours ago, Logan S said:

Sometimes the weights can get stuck in the tail causing it to sit nose up all the time...A good tap or two will unfreeze them (if not, send it back to MB for a replacement). 

 

That's tempting, but seeing how I found it, I wouldn't feel right about doing that. It might get some kind of bad karma curse on it ?

[roadwarrior]

What size hooks are on Megabass 110?

 #6 Megabass Katsuage.

[JediAmoeba]

11 hours ago, fin said:

 

So that explains my problem. One of the ball bearings is stuck in the tail. I didn't know they both were supposed to roll. I have other jerk baits that have a stationary ball in the tail, so I thought it was designed that way. I had tried tapping on the ball to break it loose, but it's stuck good.

 

 

That's tempting, but seeing how I found it, I wouldn't feel right about doing that. It might get some kind of bad karma curse on it ?

Send it back - someone paid for it and it's a faulty product. 

 

For karma reversal donate tackle to a kid you see fishing. I do this all the time for kids and although I haven't seen any good karma catches, I do feel good about helping a kid out. 

19 hours ago, Smokinal said:

The designers of the bait know more about these things than we do...put the stock hooks back on.

 

19 hours ago, roadwarrior said:

Katsuage is my hook of choice.

 

Yeah, until you stick one of those in your hand and can't use the braid technique to get it out. Sorry, those hooks are junk and rather than bend they break. A small finesse hook shouldn't break - it needs to bend and flex.

[fin]

2 hours ago, JediAmoeba said:

Send it back - someone paid for it and it's a faulty product. 

I think if you let any hollow lure float in a lake for long enough for the hooks to rust off, it's going to get some condensation inside. I guess even stainless will rust in a situation like that.

 

3 hours ago, JediAmoeba said:

For karma reversal donate tackle to a kid you see fishing.

?

[Tatulatard]

Tie to the rear hanger and cast it as hard as you can.  You will either free the weight xfr or sent it back into the lake from where it came.

[fin]

30 minutes ago, Tatulatard said:

Tie to the rear hanger and cast it as hard as you can.  You will either free the weight xfr or sent it back into the lake from where it came.

I don't that would exert as much force as I have already applied. I have banged on it to the point I thought I might crack the plastic. I think I chipped a little bit of the paint off.

 

I'm considering drilling a 1/32" hole around the end and inserting an old broken drill bit, then tapping on it to free it up and then resealing the hole with epoxy.

[Logan S]

If it's stuck back there and you do happen to free it up, it's likely to just get stuck again.  The plastic can swell if they get really hot and it probably swelled in that channel for the weight transfer causing it to get stuck in the first place.  If so, it'll probably just get stuck again and again.  I had one do this to me, I could smack it back into place, but it'd get re-stuck every 2 or 3 casts.   

 

It's a freebie you found floating...Would be cool if it worked out, but I wouldn't put the effort into it.  Karma questions aside, MB might replace it - but if there's rust inside they might deny the claim (they are all fisherman too, they will probably know a found lure when they see it).  

 

How much is your time and effort worth?  Just go grab a new one if you are deadset on having one.  Then you can pick your own color and know that the hooks are the right ones .  

[fin]

My time is cheap ?

 

You're right though. I expect the ball is coated in rust, and just knocking it free is not going to stop it from getting stuck again as the ball rotates.

[Deleted account]

7 hours ago, JediAmoeba said:

Send it back - someone paid for it and it's a faulty product. 

 

LMAO. That's not how warranties work, I didn't go to law school or stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I think that's what legal folks call not having standing.

[Darth-Baiter]

i would put the thing into the garbage and proceed with the rest of my life.

 

 

[fin]

1 hour ago, Darth-Baiter said:

i would put the thing into the garbage and proceed with the rest of my life.

 

 

 

That's what I did eventually. It was fun trying to fix it, but it was hopeless.

 

 

[Cbump]

On 3/6/2023 at 9:44 AM, Smokinal said:

A couple years ago, after hundreds of hook-bending fish, I replaced all the stock Katsuage hooks on all my 110's with the "most recommended" hook for them; I think it was an AMart GFinesse or something like that...couldn't catch a fish on any one of them.

Last season I put all new Katsuage back on them and they slay again.

The designers of the bait know more about these things than we do...put the stock hooks back on.

You still have all those A-Mart hooks? I can’t find them in stock anywhere. 

[Smokinal]

24 minutes ago, Cbump said:

You still have all those A-Mart hooks? I can’t find them in stock anywhere. 

I think I do bud; lemme look. I'll send them to you if you want them.