High pressure vs Low pressure knots

[MOYO Bassin]

So I’ve heard it described before that low pressure knots (uni, trilene, San Diego jam, pitzen, etc) are better at shock absorption than a high pressure knot like a palomar(which unless cinched to near the breaking point to lock in the wraps even still has a good chance of cutting itself), although will often test out slightly lower on a straight pull because of reasons that I can theorize but can’t verify. Now my question is whether utilizing a triple wrap around the hook eye like an AG chain knot does which tests out at 100% (apparently) is something that would make sense on generic cinch knots so that you could maintain the smaller profile of a traditional single wrap above the wraps around the hook eye, instead of having the hulking 3 tag knot that is a doubled cinch style knot, but get the added strength of 3 wraps around the hook eye like the AG chain has while mitigating the 15 or whatever half hitches you would have to do with that knot. I use the palomar on baits where I’m going to be making a sweeping hookset, on drop shots, and also in cases with slower pressure changes or braid (braid is not the topic here though) which doesn’t feel the effects like a nylon or fluoro. Instead I use a miller knot which is basically a trilene that cinches even more tightly due to some fancy wrapping (a tournament angler showed me a similar knot after which I searched it up then found an improvement which is the miller knot).  With that being said, my knot is different, I use 3 wraps around the hook shank, which forces you to be more careful to wrap under or over depending on where the mainline is so as not to bunch up on one side of the knot but keep it balanced over the center, and it seems to improve strength noticeably once the cinching section is properly locked down over the traditional double wrapped miller. Any thoughts on the 3 wraps around the hook eye vs a palomar or a doubled cinch knot after my long essay, haha?

[garroyo130]

Its hard enough to go through the hook eye twice ... 

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28 minutes ago, MOYO Bassin said:

 Any thoughts on the 3 wraps around the hook eye

Thought: unnecessary.

[garroyo130]

For context, youre also asking someone who is super excited to have recently learned that you should wrap the line twice around the spool before tying the arbor knot. So not exactly a knot expert here

[A-Jay]

I only use a uni knot and a San Diego jam. Knot failure is not something I ever think about.

Because it hasn't been a problem.

So no triple wraps for this guy.

A-Jay

[Team9nine]

SDJ and Palomar test out amazingly similar, so that kind of shoots down this ‘high pressure’ vs ‘low pressure’ theory, wherever it came from. Use either of those two knots and you can’t go wrong. If you want to wrap line, use the Fish’N Fool (double wrap uni). Anything beyond that is totally unnecessary IMO.

[garroyo130]

whats the difference between high and low pressure knots? 

[T-Billy]

I use a Trilene knot for mono, and a Palomar for braid without issue. Both knots have been rock solid for me. I put more pressure on them when I cinch 'em down than I ever will with the rod and reel. If it's gonna fail, I want it to happen when I'm pulling on it, rather than when a fish is.

 

Edit to add: Forgot to mention the snell. Maybe the strongest of them all. I do ALL of my pitching with braid, and a snelled straight shank. I sometimes go several days without needing to retie it, and the hook and land percentage is excellent.

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23 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

whats the difference between high and low pressure knots? 

One is for when it's raining, and the other for when it's blue skies and not a stitch of wind...

[VolFan]

You’re overthinking it. Pick a couple knots and learn to tie them well. Learn how to tie a snell. Maybe a uni and a blood knot.

Fish without worries.

[MOYO Bassin]

4 hours ago, A-Jay said:

I only use a uni knot and a San Diego jam. Knot failure is not something I ever think about.

Because it hasn't been a problem.

So no triple wraps for this guy.

A-Jay

I don’t have issues with breaking either but I like to mess around trying to maximize knot strength. 

3 hours ago, VolFan said:

You’re overthinking it. Pick a couple knots and learn to tie them well. Learn how to tie a snell. Maybe a uni and a blood knot.

Fish without worries.

I tie an fg for leaders, improved snell for punching, a palomar for braid, and that modified miller for everything else

3 hours ago, T-Billy said:

Edit to add: Forgot to mention the snell. Maybe the strongest of them all. I do ALL of my pitching with braid, and a snelled straight shank. I sometimes go several days without needing to retie it, and the hook and land percentage is excellent.

I agree with the snell for braid

[WRB]

Monofilament line like Nylon and copolymer are easy the tie reliable knots. Fluorocarbon line is very sensitive to tying knot effectively without damaging the line during clinching the knot tight.

Braid doesn’t break at the knot but can slip loose.

I have been using both the San Diego Jam and Palomar knots before they had those names.

SD Jam knot for lures and Palomar knot for hooks and clips.

Tom

[dodgeguy]

Wow !!! My brain hurts !!!! Way to much overthinking here. I use a Palomar on everything and have never had a knot fail in over 30 years I've been using it.

[BrianMDTX]

33 minutes ago, dodgeguy said:

Wow !!! My brain hurts !!!! Way to much overthinking here. I use a Palomar on everything and have never had a knot fail in over 30 years I've been using it.

I feel the same about the IC. Simple to tie and strong enough for bass. 

[Tom Orr]

Back in the 80's on one of Jimmy Houston's tv shows, he was talking about using a Palomar knot for the majority of his knots, and showed how to tie it. I've been using a Palomar for everything since then and don't think I've ever had one fail. Fast and easy to tie.

[WRB]

3 hours ago, dodgeguy said:

Wow !!! My brain hurts !!!! Way to much overthinking here. I use a Palomar on everything and have never had a knot fail in over 30 years I've been using it.

Tying a Palomar to a multiple treble hook lure requires and loop big enough to pass the lure through without twisting that loop and snugging the looped line tight without over heating. 

For this reason a San Diego Jam knot is far easier to tie using the lures weight to create the knot.

2 knots shouldn’t over tax the simplest mind.

Tom

[PhishLI]

2 hours ago, WRB said:

2 knots shouldn’t over tax the simplest mind.

That was funny. Somewhat cruel, yet funny nonetheless. I didn't know you did funny. Kudos! ?

[garroyo130]

11 hours ago, MOYO Bassin said:

I don’t have issues with breaking either but I like to mess around trying to maximize knot strength. 

I tie an fg for leaders, improved snell for punching, a palomar for braid, and that modified miller for everything else

I agree with the snell for braid

 

cmon man you reply to all of these but not to "whats the difference between high and low pressure knots?"

[volzfan59]

I've never even heard the term "high pressure or low pressure knot"! Since I started serious bass fishing 40 years ago, I've only used a palomar or a Trilene knot. As far as I can remember, have never experienced a knot failure.

[roadwarrior]

13 hours ago, WRB said:

2 knots shouldn’t over tax the simplest mind.

 

 

                                                    

[Skunkmaster-k]

If a knot requires that much precision , I’m in trouble. 

[MOYO Bassin]

8 hours ago, garroyo130 said:

 

cmon man you reply to all of these but not to "whats the difference between high and low pressure knots?"

A high pressure knot has fewer wraps generally speaking and relies on the knot almost locking itself into place like a palomar does opposed to a low pressure cinching knot that uses a large amount of wraps to disperse force over a larger distance and doesn’t have the same inherent locking characteristics. 

[Jrob78]

I tie a Palomar, SDJ, Snell, Blood and Rapala knot for everything fishing related. The Palomar and SDJ account for 95% of it. I don't worry about knots and never really have. As someone else said, learn a few knots you can tie well and don't overthink it.

[A-Jay]

40 minutes ago, MOYO Bassin said:

A high pressure knot has fewer wraps generally speaking and relies on the knot almost locking itself into place like a palomar does opposed to a low pressure cinching knot that uses a large amount of wraps to disperse force over a larger distance and doesn’t have the same inherent locking characteristics. 

I have never heard nor read about this type of knot distinction.

There's a serious number of knot & line threads / posts on this forum alone

and as far as I know, this stuff stands alone.

Is there a source from which this information can be further examined

or is this knots according to @MOYO Bassin ?

A-Jay

 

[BrianMDTX]

45 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

I have never heard nor read about this type of knot distinction.

There's a serious number of knot & line threads / posts on this forum alone

and as far as I know, this stuff stands alone.

Is there a source from which this information can be further examined

or is this knots according to @MOYO Bassin ?

A-Jay

 

I’ve never heard the term myself. Googling it shows one hit: this thread on BR lol.