Co-polymer vs flouro.

[Mbirdsley]

I’ve kinda had it with flouro at least on spinning gear.  No matter what I do I get wind knots. I’ve tried just about every major brand and technique to mitigate the issue.
 

Does co-polymer have the same tendency as flouro with wind knots on spinning gear?

 

 I know they make some cheaper flouro IE kast king’s flouro kote and p-lines flouro clear out of co-polymer with a flouro coating but, didn’t know if straight co-polymer would behave the same. 

 

I would be using for your typical finnesse spinning gear plus jerk baits and shad raps. 

[Jar11591]

I recommend Yo-Zuri Hybrid. It’s very manageable on spinning gear. Handles similar to a limp nylon. 

[5by3]

Gamma polyflex is a nice option. Pretty low stretch and manageable in the low pound tests. It does run a bit thicker than other brands, so you’d probably want 6-8 lb on a spinning reel.

[FishTank]

Copoly is worse than FC on spinning gear to me.  I have used 6lb Invizx and Tatsu with no issues.  I also use to use Trilene 100% FC XL but the last two spools I bought were questionable in quality. They were bad enough that I might not use it again. 

[garroyo130]

+1 to Yo Zuri Hybrid. 4lb test should be manageable and plenty strong.

[ironbjorn]

4lb YZH. Its real strength is 7.5lbs. handles very well on spinning gear.

[casts_by_fly]

Just go braid to leader. 

[FryDog62]

In general, on spinning gear I’m a big fan of Yo-Zuri Hybrid. However, sometimes you need the sink rate of fluorocarbon (finesse, bottom contact, etc.).  Then I use braid but an extra long leader of FC maybe 10-15 feet long.  You get less of the line twist effect with a braided mainline but 12 feet of fluorocarbon still provides some sink rate which is an advantage for certain applications. 

[volzfan59]

When I got serious about bass fishing, my next door neighbor was a guide and fished what now is the B.A.S.S. Opens, no idea what they were called in the early 80's. One of his sponsor's was SilverThread co-polymer line so I got all I wanted for free.

I used it on my spinning and baitcasting tackle with zero issues. I've done the same thing that you've done except I'm swearing off all floro. I'm going to order some McCoy and Yozuri copolymer line and see which one I like best.

[roadwarrior]

32 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

+1 to Yo Zuri Hybrid. 4lb test should be manageable and plenty strong.

I think this might be your answer.

[MickD]

I used to use Yozuri Hybrid on casting gear . It is very soft, much different than FC.  But I gave it up because I thought it had excessive stretch.  For spin, it's all premium braids for me now.  Will never go back to FC or mono except possibly very light mono on panfish outfit. 

[Deleted account]

14 minutes ago, volzfan59 said:

One of his sponsor's was SolverThread co-polymer line so I got all I wanted for free.

Silver Thread and AN40 are (were) very good lines, I still have some in the stash.

[Eric 26]

I have 10 pound Suffix Advance Monofilament/Copolymer on a 2000 size spinning reel and have no issues whatsoever.

[Jig Man]

I was having trouble with 6# fluorocarbon rotting.  Roadwarrior put me on to Yozuri.  I’m running it on 5 setups and really liking it.

[ska4fun]

Owner Broad, the best copolymer I ever used.

[Mobasser]

Last fall, I spooled Yo Zuri hybrid 4lb. It handles good and is very strong. I'll be using it again this spring. On another rod I'm using 6lb P Line cx. Both these lines are good IMO. 

I like P Line cx also. It's thinner diameter,strong, and cast and winds well also. I've had good luck with it. But I think YoZuri Hybrid in 4lb is more popular.

[Junk Fisherman]

Not to be that guy but the wind knots are probably something you are doing.  I have used straight fluoro for years and the only times I've had wind knots was when I overfilled my spool or if my braid to leader knot was a little big.  I have used Gamma Touch in 7 lb A LOT and can't recall ever having a wind knot with that line.  8 lb P-Line Fluoro gave me no issues as well.  I only use Daiwa spinning reels and have heard they are good at preventing wind knots so maybe that has something to do with it.  Good luck.  

[WRB]

Start with the basics;

1. spinning reels between 1000 to 3000 are generally used by bass anglers. What reel are you using?

2. Line twist is different then wind knots common with light weight braided line. Monofilament or any single filament line will twist on a spinning reel; fixed spool with line being wrapped into it via a bail, 1 twist each bail rotation.

3. Any single filament line exceeding .010 diameter has too high memory for bass size spinning reel spools. 

A few questions;

Have you checked the bail roller?

Have you checked the rods guides for cracks?

Tom

[corey90]

try sunline defier 100% nylon

[Mbirdsley]

13 hours ago, casts_by_fly said:

Just go braid to leader. 

That’s not totally out as an option either 

5 hours ago, WRB said:

Start with the basics;

1. spinning reels between 1000 to 3000 are generally used by bass anglers. What reel are you using?

2. Line twist is different then wind knots common with light weight braided line. Monofilament or any single filament line will twist on a spinning reel; fixed spool with line being wrapped into it via a bail, 1 twist each bail rotation.

3. Any single filament line exceeding .010 diameter has too high memory for bass size spinning reel spools. 

A few questions;

Have you checked the bail roller?

Have you checked the rods guides for cracks?

Tom

I am using size 30 reels.  It happens on all of my spinning reels from $250 reels down to  $60 reels.  I’m using 8 lbs on the one reel and ten 10 lbs on the other reel 

[WRB]

Line Diameter not # test matters. Most 8 lb should be .010D or less, few 10# are .010D.

To manage line twist requires a method to prevent twist or untwist the line.

Boat anglers it’s as easy as dragging the line behind the boat at walking speed without anything tied on the end, the water untwist the line.

Shore anglers it’s not that easy. Pull off about 50 yards of line laying straight on your lawn. Wet a terry bath) towel with water and fold over the line near the rod tip. Rewind the line back onto the reel spool keeping slight finger tension pressure near the big guide. This will untwist the some, may take more then once.

Yo-Zuri Highbred isn’t a CoPolymer line it’s a Co-extruded line, mono with a FC jacket.

Tom 

[BrianMDTX]

I am 100% braid-to-leader on my spinning reels now, but when I fished mono, I screwed a small hook (like a picture hook, not a fish hook lol) into one of my trees, tied on a hook and put one end of a ball bearing swivel on the picture hook and the other on the fish hook. I’d walk back about 50 yards of line, pull the line taut and reel it back onto the spool as I walked along with the rig. Most times one pass removed all the twists. You can also take some line and tie it around a tree and tie on a swivel on the tag end. 

[Mbirdsley]

5 hours ago, BrianMDTX said:

I am 100% braid-to-leader on my spinning reels now, but when I fished mono, I screwed a small hook (like a picture hook, not a fish hook lol) into one of my trees, tied on a hook and put one end of a ball bearing swivel on the picture hook and the other on the fish hook. I’d walk back about 50 yards of line, pull the line taut and reel it back onto the spool as I walked along with the rig. Most times one pass removed all the twists. You can also take some line and tie it around a tree and tie on a swivel on the tag end. 

I may try this.  I usually only put about 75-100 yards on at a time 

[BrianMDTX]

4 minutes ago, Mbirdsley said:

I may try this.  I usually only put about 75-100 yards on at a time 

I would hold the line taut about a minute before I started reeling it in slowly. It really seemed to get rid of the twist for me. 
 

But in all honesty I vastly prefer braid-to-leader on spinning rigs. No twist at all. 

[NorthernBasser]

Do you close your bail by hand after a cast?