Spoil size and casting distance

[Fishydishy]

Does a bigger/wider spool cast further than a smaller/narrower spool?

 

70 size vs 150 size?

[bulldog1935]

Technically, a larger diameter, narrower, and lighter spool casts farther. 

Larger diameter = more line for the same spool rotation;

narrower = straighter coming off the spool;

lighter = lower inertia, faster, and less brake needed. 

 

 

The difference between a 70 and 150 package reel:

you'll see more distance casting heavy weights on the 150 because of the larger spool diameter;

you'll see more distance casting lighter weights on the 70 because of the narrower, lighter-weight spool. 

[ska4fun]

7 hours ago, Fishydishy said:

Does a bigger/wider spool cast further than a smaller/narrower spool?

 

70 size vs 150 size?

 

A narrow spool would not affect casting distance, in a synchronized level wind. But It would, over common baitcasters, since closed angles between line and the reel level wind would drastically increase attrition.

 

Weight plays a bigger role in casting performance. Together with the braking system.

[Fishydishy]

8 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

Technically, a larger diameter, narrower, and lighter spool casts farther. 

Larger diameter = more line for the same spool rotation;

narrower = straighter coming off the spool;

lighter = lower inertia, faster, and less brake needed. 

 

 

The difference between a 70 and 150 package reel:

you'll see more distance casting heavy weights on the 150 because of the larger spool diameter;

you'll see more distance casting lighter weights on the 70 because of the narrower, lighter-weight spool. 

It makes a lot of sense while it doesn’t. Maybe I am stupid.

 

how can you have a larger spool diameter with a narrower spool at the same time? Doesn’t a larger spool diameter mean wider spool?

[Team9nine]

2 minutes ago, Fishydishy said:

how can you have a larger spool diameter with a narrower spool at the same time? Doesn’t a larger spool diameter mean wider spool?

Taller - diameter/radius measured either across the entire frame, or from the spool shaft to the top edge of the spool.

 

 

[LrgmouthShad]

4 minutes ago, Fishydishy said:

It makes a lot of sense while it doesn’t. Maybe I am stupid.

 

how can you have a larger spool diameter with a narrower spool at the same time? Doesn’t a larger spool diameter mean wider spool?

If you imagine looking at the spool from the side, what you see (the cross section) is a circle. The diameter of that circle is the spool diameter that @bulldog1935 is referring to here. So you might think of spool diameter as how "tall" the spool is.

[bulldog1935]

@Fishydishy

If you notice my Custom 4500CT in my first post, it has Everything. 

37-mm dia, 22-mm wide, 5-mm-deep spool that only weighs 9 g, and still holds 150 m of threadline braid (PE#1, 25-lb X-braid). 

I use it for shore micro-jigging on an 8'9" rod rated 3 to 30 g.  The combo will cast a 5-g metal jig 50 yds. Where I use it, realistically need to fish 120+'

 

@LrgmouthShad - thanks - I have a goal to land an over-slot snook on this combo in 3 weeks.  I've broken off 3 over-slot winter snook on lighter tackle. 

[LrgmouthShad]

2 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

@Fishydishy

If you notice my Custom 4500CT in my first post, it has Everything. 

37-mm dia, 22-mm wide, 5-mm-deep spool that only weighs 10 g, and still holds 150 m of threadline braid. 

I use it for shore micro-jigging on an 8'9" rod rated 3 to 30 g.  The reel will cast a 5-g metal jig 50 yds. 

dang dude. that's sweet

[Fishydishy]

Thanks! It makes total sense now.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

I thought I remember hearing on a YT vid that Daiwa had found that a shallow wider spool will cast farther then a narrow spool.  Dude was comparing the newest Alphas BFS spool to an Aldebaran BFS spool, and was explaining how Daiwas theory was a little different from Shimanos.     

[bulldog1935]

Neither acknowledged by UKSF, but

The 2013 World Record Ground Cast of 924' was made on a 37-mm-dia spool. 

and so was this 2019 125g World Record Pendumum Cast - 920'

list of UKSF acknowledged records

http://the-uksf.co.uk/records.html

Noteworthy, in every category, multipliers (baitcasters) have the edge over fixed spool (what we call spinning reels). 

I was making spiral casts with weightless free shrimp on Daiwa Millionaire in the early 80s, and two different guides told me what was wrong with my cast.  Then we cast toe to toe, and I doubled their spinning cast distance. 

It's OK, I always made them look good back at the dock. 

[ska4fun]

15 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

Neither acknowledged by UKSF, but

The 2013 World Record Ground Cast of 924' was made on a 37-mm-dia spool. 

and so was this 2019 125g World Record Pendumum Cast - 920'

list of UKSF acknowledged records

http://the-uksf.co.uk/records.html

Noteworthy, in every category, multipliers (baitcasters) have the edge over fixed spool (what we call spinning reels). 

I was making spiral casts with weightless free shrimp on Daiwa Millionaire in the early 80s, and two different guides told me what was wrong with my cast.  Then we cast toe to toe, and I doubled their spinning cast distance. 

It's OK, I always made them look good back at the dock. 

In extreme distance casting, the way you hold line in the reel seat, before casting, in spinning reels/fixed spools, makes them unusable. I came from a competitive surfcasting background. Even with specific thimbles, weights above 150g (over head and OTG) and 130g (pendulum) were hardly manageable with spinning reels.

[Big Hands]

22 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

@Fishydishy

If you notice my Custom 4500CT in my first post, it has Everything. 

37-mm dia, 22-mm wide, 5-mm-deep spool that only weighs 9 g, and still holds 150 m of threadline braid (PE#1, 25-lb X-braid). 

I use it for shore micro-jigging on an 8'9" rod rated 3 to 30 g.  The combo will cast a 5-g metal jig 50 yds. Where I use it, realistically need to fish 120+'

 

@LrgmouthShad - thanks - I have a goal to land an over-slot snook on this combo in 3 weeks.  I've broken off 3 over-slot winter snook on lighter tackle. 

 

Your incredible attention to detail makes 'this guy' seem like a complete googan!

 

 

I can only imagine what your tackle rooms look like.

 

Thanks for sharing this stuff.

[bulldog1935]

@Big Hands - here's the old stuff - of course cane rods live inside - the plastic rods are ok in the garage. 

 

[stratos4me]

Baitcasters cast better the closer they are to capacity. Larger line capacity reels cast better than smaller capacity reels of the same width because the spool is fuller throughout the cast. The higher diameter the line, the more pronounced the effect will be. BFS spools largely avoid this effect because they are so shallow. It is almost like always having a reel near or at capacity. Hopefully this makes sense. If you don't get it, try casting a baitcaster at half capacity. My point will be immediately obvious.