Last question - what line do I want for 1-3 oz swimbaits/glide baits, and do I need a new reel or can my Curado 200XGK handle it just fine?

[Ohioguy25]

5 hours ago, WRB said:

I tried to explain the issue using small narrow spools with .018D line. Your reel holds 110 yards of .014D line at full spool. Using .018D line is a significant increase that impacts how much line can be put on your reel spool.

Estimate is approximately 75 yards. After you cast 30 to 35 yards p, a short cast using swimbaits, you have about 40 yards of line in the spool or nearly 50% smaller spool diameter of line, it’s very small. When you turn the reel handle 1 full turn the IPT will drop 36” maximum IPT at full spool to 18” or less depending how full the is before casting.

With each reel handle turn the lure speeds speeds the. More. Line recovered. Onto the spool until it. Reaches maximum IPT. 

The fact reel is strong enough to cast heavy lures isn’t the issue, it’s line capacity bad changing IPT as the lure is retrieved. 

For the reasons stated several times now smaller diameter line that is strong enough not to loose lures was suggested.

Straight 40#  Braid at .013D would work. My suggestion was Armilo 22# / 015D.  

Your choice, try the .018D it’s inexpensive.

Tom

Gotcha, thx. Why exactly do a lot of people recommend fluro, do you really need that sensitivity? Seems mono/nylon would be less likely to break.

[Big Hands]

6 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Why exactly do a lot of people recommend fluro, do you really need that sensitivity? Seems mono/nylon would be less likely to break.

Reasons for some to favor Fluorocarbon line: Fluoro has a tendency to sink (more so than mono) and many feel it gives them an advantage in keeping the bait in their desired strike zone as well at affecting the angles the bait will operate at. 

[WRB]

^^^this^^^ 

Today we have Braid that sinks!

Had zero issues keeping in contact with swimbaits or Glides using Armilo mono, the Hudds are heavy enough to keep in contact with the lure and glides and rat strikes are easy to detect.

Tom

[Ohioguy25]

38 minutes ago, Big Hands said:

Reasons for some to favor Fluorocarbon line: Fluoro has a tendency to sink (more so than mono) and many feel it gives them an advantage in keeping the bait in their desired strike zone as well at affecting the angles the bait will operate at. 

And I suppose the disadvantage would be tensile strength/abrasion resistance?

17 minutes ago, WRB said:

^^^this^^^ 

Today we have Braid that sinks!

Ihad zero issues keeping in contact with swimbaits or Glides using Armilo mono, the Hudds are heavy enough to keep in contact with the lure and glides and rat strikes are easy to detect.

Tom

So is that Armilo you recommended mono?

[WRB]

For the 3rd time, yes...22#/ .015D  Armilo.

100% knot strength vs 75% with FC, higher abrasion resistance, small diameter and excellent casting performance with lower  memory.

Tom

[PhishLI]

2 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Why exactly do a lot of people recommend fluro,

You're fishing a 75' wide super shallow river. A fast sinking line is the last thing you want with big treble swim baits in this situation. The smallies you're targeting are going to dive hard into cover and you'll want as much horsepower as possible to get them back up to the surface. I wouldn't trust small diameter fluoro for this at all. The Izorline XXX is a good middle ground between fluoro and mono. It sinks slightly more than mono, but just slightly.

[Fat Ika]

On 1/15/2023 at 4:22 AM, Ohioguy25 said:

Sorry all the questions, trying to do this right as I don’t want to lose any $75 baits!  Currently running 15 lb seaguar red but had bad experiences with fluro breaking off.  
 

Will this Curado work once adjusted properly or is it going to be difficult casting these heavy baits? Thanks!

Agree with all the copoly recommendations. Izorline, Armilo, or Yozuri Hybrid around .015. Personally use 15#/.016 Yozuri Hybrid on small rivers/bank fishing and Daiwa Samurai Flouro 22# off boats. All I throw is 1.5-2.8 oz glides with a 7:3:1 Tatula 150. Have never broke off with Yozuri Hybrid. 

[Ohioguy25]

15 hours ago, WRB said:

For the 3rd time, yes...22#/ .015D  Armilo.

100% knot strength vs 75% with FC, higher abrasion resistance, small diameter and excellent casting performance with lower  memory.

Tom

Sorry I was just unclear as to what the exact material Armilo was, description on TW seems vague did not know if “nylon” was synonymous with mono, or if it was some other hybrid.

14 hours ago, PhishLI said:

You're fishing a 75' wide super shallow river. A fast sinking line is the last thing you want with big treble swim baits in this situation. The smallies you're targeting are going to dive hard into cover and you'll want as much horsepower as possible to get them back up to the surface. I wouldn't trust small diameter fluoro for this at all. The Izorline XXX is a good middle ground between fluoro and mono. It sinks slightly more than mono, but just slightly.

Yeah, good point.  I really don’t need or want it to sink, the 2 oz bait will stay down just fine by itself.

6 hours ago, Fat Ika said:

Agree with all the copoly recommendations. Izorline, Armilo, or Yozuri Hybrid around .015. Personally use 15#/.016 Yozuri Hybrid on small rivers/bank fishing and Daiwa Samurai Flouro 22# off boats. All I throw is 1.5-2.8 oz glides with a 7:3:1 Tatula 150. Have never broke off with Yozuri Hybrid. 

Isn’t Armilo mono and not copoly?

[WRB]

Monofilament means single or 1  filament. For decades all “mono” fishing lines were Nylon with UV additive to reduce sunlight degradation. 

Copolymer means 2 polymers, Nylon and a blend of Nylon mixed with polyester or polyurethane being the most common to improve strength and abrasion resistance.

When Fluorocarbon line was introduced to differentiate Nylon monofilament line from other marketing promoted Fluorocarbon line stating it was invisible to fish.

Yo-Zuri Hybrid is another manufacture technique called co-extrusion naming their line a Hybrid to separate it from Copolymer line. Yo -Zuri Hybrid is the largest diameter per lb test on the market.

Sunline introduced a small diameter high strength Nylon monofilament line called Defier Armilo is one of the smallest diameter mono line on the market per lb test.

Tom

[Ohioguy25]

48 minutes ago, WRB said:

Monofilament means single or 1  filament. For decades all “mono” fishing lines were Nylon with UV additive to reduce sunlight degradation. 

Copolymer means 2 polymers, Nylon and a blend of Nylon mixed with polyester or polyurethane being the most common to improve strength and abrasion resistance.

When Fluorocarbon line was introduced to differentiate Nylon monofilament line from other marking called Fluorocarbon line stating it was invisible to fish.

Yo-Zuri Hybrid is another manufacture technique called co-extrusion naming their line a Hybrid to separate it from Copolymer line. Yo -Zuri Hybrid is the largest diameter per lb test on the market.

Sunline introduced a small diameter high strength Nylon monofilament line called Defier Armilo is one of the smallest diameter mono line on the market per lb test.

Tom

So the narrative that abrasion resistance directly correlates to diameter is incorrect?

[WRB]

Abrasion resistance correlate to hardness to the line outer surface and tensile strength properties. The problem has been trying retain lower memory and increase abrasion resistance. If the line is high memory with high abrasion resistance it becomes too stiff to manage on small diameter reel spools. The larger diameter the line is the more memory is retained tending to coil on a smaller diameter spool.

Big Game is a Mono Nylon line with good physical properties average diameter per lb test and inexpensive.

I used Big Game for decades before changing to Armilo Nylon. 25 lb / .019D  Big Game coiled on my 300 size swimbait reels and resulted in res pooling line above every 5 outings.

Changed to 25 lb / .016D Armilo about 6 years ago and only changed the line if it was damaged about every 3 years.

FC tends to have lower knot, impact strength and abrasion resistance then mono lines.

Tom

[Ohioguy25]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

Abrasion resistance correlate to hardness to the line outer surface and tensile strength properties. The problem has been trying retain lower memory and increase abrasion resistance. If the line is high memory with high abrasion resistance it becomes too stiff to manage on small diameter reel spools. The larger diameter the line is the more memory is retained tending to coil on a smaller diameter spool.

Big Game is a Mono Nylon line with good physical properties average diameter per lb test and inexpensive.

I used Big Game for decades before changing to Armilo Nylon. 25 lb / .019D  Big Game coiled on my 300 size swimbait reels and resulted in res pooling line above every 5 outings.

Changed to 25 lb / .016D Armilo about 6 years ago and only changed the line if it was damaged about every 3 years.

FC tends to have lower knot, impact strength and abrasion resistance then mono lines.

Tom

Makes sense, thanks!