Do you have to buy a dedicated swimbait rod even for smaller (1-2.5 oz) baits?

[WRB]

33 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Will that work with my Curado K?

200K spool hold 110 yards of 14# mono, average being .015D

300K holds 180 yards mono .015D

P-Line CXX,  10# is ..014D,   15# is .016D

Big Game, 15# is .015D, 20# is .018D.

Depending on the reel size,   200K is marginal, maybe 17# Armilo is .013D about 125 yards. More line capacity consider braid w/leader...last choice!

300K will hold 165 yards of 25# Armilo at .016D or 180 yards of 22# Armilo.

Tom

[PhishLI]

6 minutes ago, WRB said:

200K spool hold 110 yards of 14# mono

Line diameter is meaningless on a 200k where him, me, or you are casting from a seated position in a kayak. If he's 6'4', athletic with an 80" wingspan, perhaps he'll chuck the baits he's listed 120' max. Probably a bit less on average. More like 90'-100'.

[Ohioguy25]

11 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Line diameter is meaningless on a 200k where him, me, or you are casting from a seated position in a kayak. If he's 6'4', athletic with an 80" wingspan, perhaps he'll chuck the baits he's listed 120' max. Probably a bit less on average. More like 90'-100'.

Word

 

25 minutes ago, WRB said:

200K spool hold 110 yards of 14# mono, average being .015D

300K holds 180 yards mono .015D

P-Line CXX,  10# is ..014D,   15# is .016D

Big Game, 15# is .015D, 20# is .018D.

Depending on the reel size,   200K is marginal, maybe 17# Armilo is .013D about 125 yards. More line capacity consider braid w/leader...last choice!

300K will hold 165 yards of 25# Armilo at .016D or 180 yards of 22# Armilo.

Tom

So what would you recommend with what I’m throwing, 20 lb Armilo?

[WRB]

6 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Line diameter is meaningless on a 200k where him, me, or you are casting from a seated position in a kayak. If he's 6'4', athletic with an 80" wingspan, perhaps he'll chuck the baits he's listed 120' max. Probably a bit less on average. More like 90'-100'.

What happens with a small diameter spool with 110 yds of 14# mono line capacity is severer (30-35%) reduction is in IPT after casting 30 to 35 yards. Very difficult to get a solid hook set if you can’t load the rod by reeling in line.

If the OP uses .018D mono or copoly the spool may only hold 75 yards of line, then the IPT is reduced further to 50% after casting 30-35 yards.

Tom

[PhishLI]

8 minutes ago, WRB said:

What happens with a small diameter spool with 110 yds of 14# mono line capacity is severer (30-35%) reduction is in IPT after casting 30 to 35 yards.

These aren't slack line presentations with single hooks. Other than glides where there are moments of slack, you mostly remain connected to the bait, yes? Many of my friends are also dedicated yak swim-baiters and have zero issues hooksetting treble baits with 7' 1/2" to 8' rods on the end of an average cast. Neither do I.

[WRB]

4 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

These aren't slack line presentations with single hooks. Other than glides where there are moments of slack, you mostly remain connected to the bait, yes? Many of my friends are also dedicated yak swim-baiters and have zero issues hooksetting treble baits with 7' 1/2" to 8' rods on the end of an average cast. Neither do I.

Are you using a 200K? If yes recommend a line for the OP.

Tom

[PhishLI]

3 minutes ago, WRB said:

Are you using a 200K?

Yes.

4 minutes ago, WRB said:

If yes recommend a line for the OP.

I did already on the previous page.

[WRB]

19 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Yes.

I did already on the previous page.

I recalled your IROD recommendation and agree but the OP doesn’t like the handle material, the reason I suggested the cork handle SB jr rod.

20 lb Izor copoly is .018D, that is your recommendation on a 200K, amazing!

Tom

[PhishLI]

10 minutes ago, WRB said:

20 lb Izor copoly is .018D, that is your recommendation on a 200K, amazing!

The rest of the world isn't a Cali mountain lake, Tom. We have weeds out in the boonies, and when a bass plows into them with a big treble swimbait I want all the horsepower I can get to pull it out. Those trebles often snag a mop of grass which increases the load. A little headroom doesn't hurt in this quite common scenario. I know for a fact that I would've lost fish and my bait with .015 diameter anything in the past.

[WRB]

We have the Delta and Clear Lake both are heavy cover fisheries. 

25# Armilo is only .016D, never lost a swimbait fish using it over 5 years. Heavy cover don’t use swimbaits with treble hooks. Nothing wrong with .018D copoly on a 300 size reel imo.

Anyway each to his own insanity.

Peace,

Tom

[Tatulatard]

I also throw 1.5 and 2.5 ounce swimbaits from a kayak.  A shorter rod and handle vs the normal 8' stick is definitely preferred. The rod I use is discontinued and was jdm anyways so I can't recommend there but I do like the tatula 200 for these baits.  I like the control the magnets offer when casting 2.5 ounce bait around cover.  Seems to help me put it where I want it.

[PhishLI]

On 1/15/2023 at 4:55 PM, WRB said:

Heavy cover don’t use swimbaits with treble hooks.

I'll pass that nugget of wisdom on to all the guys here that are fishing shallow waters that are 100% loaded with cover yet somehow manage to catch better fish on treble'd swimbaits all the time.

 

I don't expect someone in your exalted position to pay attention to any of my posts here, but I've mentioned over and over again that I'm often fishing in waters loaded with pads. It's very easy for a fish caught away from them to run into them. For that reason, combined with dense milfoil everywhere, the only insanity would be to use line which is marginal for the situation. Do it here and you'll get broken off. Guaranteed.

On 1/15/2023 at 4:55 PM, WRB said:

Nothing wrong with .018D copoly on a 300 size reel imo

And there's nothing wrong with 100' of payed out .018 line on a 200 size reel. It's kayak fishing from a seated position with a 7' 1/2" rod we're talking about here. Many casts will be to targets which is less than that on average, so this isn't the cardinal sin you're making it out to be. @Ohioguy25 will get by just fine right now with the reel he currently owns.

 

BTW, for all of the 300 sized reels I have I'm most often fishing with a Daiwa Catalina TW 100 on my yak throwing baits between 1 oz to 2.5 ozs. It's my light setup, and I simply like using it. Regardless of its "100" nomenclature, its 36mm tall by 28mm wide spool holds a little bit more line than a Curado 200. It works out just fine with .018 line. The fish don't seem to mind, or perhaps they're insane.

[WRB]

Exalted, I will try to let that sarcasm pass.

My point is this winding .018D mono or copoly onto a small diameter narrow spool creates high pressure causing the line to take set. This is the reason filler spools are larger diameter to reduce line coil memory. 

If you buy in bulk and change the mono- copoly line often the memory coiling issue is reduced.

Being a user of Berkley Big Game line for 20 years I changed it often using 4500C reel with larger and wider spool the 200K and Daiwa HTIA’s 103& 105 reels very similar spool size 200K’s. Never used either of those reels for swimbaits, too small spools and preferred Calcutta 250 & 300 reels using 20 lb Big Game.

When I started using Armilo 25#/.016D Mono it was a game changer. Stronger, higher abrasion resistance with very low memory and excellent casting performance.

You might want to try it.

Tom

[PhishLI]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

Exalted, I will try to let that sarcasm pass.

Good. Work on it. 

 

I'll do the same with this gem.

On 1/15/2023 at 4:55 PM, WRB said:

Anyway each to his own insanity.

 

[UmairF]

5 minutes ago, UmairF said:

Hey I just got this rod gonna try it out in the next few weeks. I’ll let you know how it fishes and hopefully get some bass on the other end of it too!

 

Got this rod for 6” magdrafts, swaver 168, chad shad 180, and gantarel jrs. Spoke to the folks at Dobyns and said that the 794.5would be perfect for all those baits and some more within that 1-3.5/4 oz range.

 

Read some reviews on TW for this rod lineup and almost all said that they would hesitate throwing anything at the upper range of the recommended weight. The baits I listed above range from around 1-2.75 oz and the 794.5 has a lure rating of 1-4 oz so hopefully it’s the perfect balance of what I’m looking for.

 

This is also a newer model and has a full cork grip (which I personally prefer over EVA). It’s a swimbait/glidebait/AR rod so seems pretty versatile.

 

Can’t remember the guy’s name that I spoke to from Dobyn’s (super helpful btw) but he said that he loves this new addition and uses it to throw pretty much everything I just listed. He said it’s pretty parabolic and emphasised it’s strong suit is treble hook baits but a magdraft freestyle would be a great fit on it as well. Not really venturing into the larger swimbaits atm since the largest we get in my neck of the woods is probably around 6lbs but that’s rare at times. (In the Chicagoland area and southern WI lakes).

 

On paper, super stoked to use this rod. In general based on all the feedback I’ve seen, won’t be throwing anything over 3oz on it. Not super well-versed with swimbaits/glidebaits in this lure rating but am going to superglue the technique to my hand all pre-spawn/spawn if the conditions seem right.

 

Oh and if you’re curious, I’m pairing it with a 2023 Lexa 6.1:1. Mot sure about line yet. Will probably go 20lb fluoro but might need a good amount of backing since it’s a 300 sized reel and I don’t want to keep getting super expensive fluorocarbon spools every so often.

 

If anyone else is using this rod or has gotten it out on the water already I’m curious to see what you think about it as well!

 

-Umair

Hey @badfish79 someone started a thread about the new champ xp swimbait rod you’re talking about and I just ordered mine. If anyone has any input on the rod would be super curious to know how you feel about it!

 

-Umair

[Ohioguy25]

10 hours ago, UmairF said:

Hey @badfish79 someone started a thread about the new champ xp swimbait rod you’re talking about and I just ordered mine. If anyone has any input on the rod would be super curious to know how you feel about it!

 

-Umair

Champ XP swim rod is good, just not ideal for yak fishing with that 20”+ handle. 17” is the sweet spot for me.

[Gera]

I don't think you have to, but what's the fun in that..