Breaklines

[GoneFishingLTN]

So I’m reading about breaklines in more detail and I see a diagram where there is a deep and sudden drop off, but that is not listed as the break line. the Breakline listed is the grass about 10 foot from the drop off. Wouldn’t the breakline be both?

Edited January 9, 2023 by GoneFishingLTN

[Team9nine]

Yes. Both are typically considered breaklines, though depending on specifics they could be one and the same or two different ones. Sometimes it’s hard to discern distances with any accuracy in diagrams unless specifically labeled or described.

[GoneFishingLTN]

10 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Yes. Both are typically considered breaklines, though depending on specifics they could be one and the same or two different ones. Sometimes it’s hard to discern distances with any accuracy in diagrams unless specifically labeled or described.

 

[Team9nine]

1 minute ago, GoneFishingLTN said:

 

I’m guessing they are trying to focus attention specifically on the weedline for this example. These type drawings usually aren’t considered as to scale, so could be any distance, but I’d agree that both should be considered breaklines. Many cases where you’d only find one or the other.

[GoneFishingLTN]

3 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

I’m guessing they are trying to focus attention specifically on the weedline for this example. These type drawings usually aren’t considered as to scale, so could be any distance, but I’d agree that both should be considered breaklines. Many cases where you’d only find one or the other.

Ok, thank you. Now I have one more question currently they said there is two points where the two channels meet but I do not see it I must be blind 

[Deleted account]

That looks like the author is defining the breakline on the weed line (where it ends as water gets deeper) because there is a constant slope there, and there is no change until where the fish are. 

[Team9nine]

21 minutes ago, GoneFishingLTN said:

Ok, thank you. Now I have one more question currently they said there is two points where the two channels meet but I do not see it I must be blind 

The points are on each side of the feeder creek where it meets the main channel - one on each side (2 total). Again, no scale, so in some waters they could be a good distance apart. In others, just a boat length or less. All depends on the size of the feeder creek and main river.

 

[GoneFishingLTN]

35 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

The points are on each side of the feeder creek where it meets the main channel - one on each side (2 total). Again, no scale, so in some waters they could be a good distance apart. In others, just a boat length or less. All depends on the size of the feeder creek and main river.

 

This one I'm having trouble seeing, I don't see the point at the area A. If this was a point, why wouldn't the right side of A, Be a point? 

[Team9nine]

53 minutes ago, GoneFishingLTN said:

This one I'm having trouble seeing, I don't see the point at the area A. If this was a point, why wouldn't the right side of A, Be a point? 

Don’t over interpret this. It’s just a hand drawn diagram. I marked the two points in red; “A” and the point on the other side of the feeder creek. Both points are formed by the merging of the two channels. Points come in all shapes and sizes - some long and narrow, others more rounded and wide sweeping, and everything in between. Think of it as an upside down capital “T” if that helps - two points formed where the two lines meet.

 

Edit: I think I get what you’re trying to point out - is what we would call the inside turn of the main channel not also a point? And yes, you could make the argument there are 3 points in this diagram because of the bend in the river channel. However, the diagram shows no breaklines leading to the shallows on that inside turn, so that is why they are just focusing on the two. A ‘structure situation’ has structure, breaks, breaklines and deep water all related to each other and the shallows.

[WIGuide]

Here's a more real world example of what was illustrated. The main channel could have a change in direction that could be a point, but many times it's just a flat break into the channel. There will always be at least 2 points where the feeder comes into the main channel though which is more clearly illustrated above. 

[Catt]

@GoneFishingLTN @Team9nine @WIGuide

 

I tend to think of it as a "Y", I also see 3 points. Left side, right side, & top. 

 

My favorite structure ?

[padon]

16 hours ago, WIGuide said:

Here's a more real world example of what was illustrated. The main channel could have a change in direction that could be a point, but many times it's just a flat break into the channel. There will always be at least 2 points where the feeder comes into the main channel though which is more clearly illustrated above. 

ok heres a question i have.in a scenario like that above, obviously if you can find a rock piile brush pile etc on those points you would have prime habitat. what if they were fairly bare? maybe just some scattered rock. are they still good fish holding structures? 

[Team9nine]

2 hours ago, padon said:

ok heres a question i have.in a scenario like that above, obviously if you can find a rock piile brush pile etc on those points you would have prime habitat. what if they were fairly bare? maybe just some scattered rock. are they still good fish holding structures? 

Absolutely! 
 

A lot of great structure spots have been ruined over the years because guys felt like they had to load them up with brushpiles and such to attract bass ?

[Tennessee Boy]

19 hours ago, WIGuide said:

 

That is some seriously deep structure.

[Catt]

10 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Absolutely! 
 

A lot of great structure spots have been ruined over the years because guys felt like they had to load them up with brushpiles and such to attract bass ?

 

Exactly ?

 

The sweet spot on structure is usually going to be a hard spot. A hard spot is exactly that, clay, shell, gravel, rock. Nothing grows on it so it's bare. Bass will hold around the bare spot & annihilate anything that enters it.

[WIGuide]

27 minutes ago, Tennessee Boy said:

That is some seriously deep structure.

It certainly isn't shallow haha. I wasn't looking so much at a particular depth, just looking over a map to find a real world example of where a creek meets the river channel. 

[WRB]

9 hours ago, padon said:

ok heres a question i have.in a scenario like that above, obviously if you can find a rock piile brush pile etc on those points you would have prime habitat. what if they were fairly bare? maybe just some scattered rock. are they still good fish holding structures? 

Looks good until you see the depth maybe 10’-15’ too deep depending on the seasonal period, yes good area.

Tom