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[roadwarrior]

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https://apnews.com/article/mlb-aaron-judge-returns-to-yankees-4d96769289e2b66ba7eaa268f90595b5#:~:text=Judge is staying with the,contract had not been announced.

[AlabamaSpothunter]

Wow, thought he'd get more money as crazy as that sounds.   

 

I guess he really did want to stay a Yankee to some degree.   

 

Philles are paying 6 players a billion dollars next year.....they make the Yankees look poverty tier ?

 

 

[Jar11591]

Talk was that he would get more. I’m a little surprised they didn’t front-load the contract considering he’s over 30, but to be fair he is coming off of one of the best non-PED-assisted offensive seasons in history. His best season could very realistically be behind him though. To me this seems like the A-Rod thing all over again. 40 home runs, near .300 BA and 100+ ribbies became not good enough for Yankee fans. 

[AlabamaSpothunter]

6 minutes ago, Jar11591 said:

Talk was that he would get more. I’m a little surprised they didn’t front-load the contract considering he’s over 30, but to be fair he is coming off of one of the best non-PED-assisted offensive seasons in history. His best season could very realistically be behind him though. To me this seems like the A-Rod thing all over again. 40 home runs, near .300 BA and 100+ ribbies became not good enough for Yankee fans. 

Agreed for sure......I mean what are the chances he hits 60+ HRs in a season again.

 

I just thought he was gonna get more because he bet on himself and won in the most epic manner.   

 

It would be a hard pill to swallow as management paying a player based on a 60hr year when you know he's likely to not repeat that same year.

 

I don't remember all the numbers now, but to me it sounds like he basically got the same money as Harper or Trout, and on a per year basis as Sherzer as well.  That 40mil a yr. level.    

 

 

[Jar11591]

2 minutes ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

Agreed for sure......I mean what are the chances he hits 60+ HRs in a season again.

 

I just thought he was gonna get more because he bet on himself and won in the most epic manner.   

 

It would be a hard pill to swallow as management paying a player based on a 60hr year when you know he's likely to not repeat that same year.

 

I don't remember all the numbers now, but to me it sounds like he basically got the same money as Harper or Trout, and on a per year basis as Sherzer as well.  That 40mil a yr. level.    

 

 

Im just imagining a 39 year old Judge, relegated to DH only facing RHP, hitting .200 with 20 home runs, getting completely trashed by Yankee fans like he wasn’t a dominant force at one time.
A-Rod was an absolute monster in a Yankee uniform. But because he got the biggest contract at the time, Yankee fans and media held him to an unrealistic standard. Judge has to do better than .300, 45+HR and 120+RBI which is still a huge season and will have you in the triple crown race. But that becomes not good enough for NY as soon as you sign your name on the dotted line. 

[12poundbass]

Verlander just got $43 million per season.

[AlabamaSpothunter]

2 hours ago, Jar11591 said:

Im just imagining a 39 year old Judge, relegated to DH only facing RHP, hitting .200 with 20 home runs, getting completely trashed by Yankee fans like he wasn’t a dominant force at one time.
A-Rod was an absolute monster in a Yankee uniform. But because he got the biggest contract at the time, Yankee fans and media held him to an unrealistic standard. Judge has to do better than .300, 45+HR and 120+RBI which is still a huge season and will have you in the triple crown race. But that becomes not good enough for NY as soon as you sign your name on the dotted line. 

Yep the exact opposite of what we just saw with the classy Cardinal fanbase and Pujols 

 

The Braves fans are true class, the ownership is the scum of the earth.  Dansby is going to walk.  Meanwhile Philly gets Trea.

 

LIFE IS NOT FAIR ?

[TnRiver46]

1 hour ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

Yep the exact opposite of what we just saw with the classy Cardinal fanbase and Pujols 

 

The Braves fans are true class, the ownership is the scum of the earth.  Dansby is going to walk.  Meanwhile Philly gets Trea.

 

LIFE IS NOT FAIR ?

Hey Freddy wants back doesn’t he? 

[AlabamaSpothunter]

56 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

Hey Freddy wants back doesn’t he? 

Doubt it now, but he doesn't seem in any better position.

 

 

[Woody B]

Disclaimer, I was a lifetime Braves fan.  I quit watching when MLB went woke.  

 

Has any player who got huge money ever live up to the expectations?   It seems like baseball keeps paying player for what they've done, not what they're going to do.  A-Rod had good numbers as a Yankee, but he choked every year during the playoffs.    Other players seemed to be at their best during the playoffs.   

 

I believe Pujols is the best player in my lifetime.   I know many players went to the AL later in their careers due to the DH.   I think Pujols would have had a chance at Hank Aarons (real) homerun record had he stayed with Saint Louis.  (not blaming him for leaving)   Many of his Saint Louis home runs would have bounced off the wall or been caught on the warning track in Angels stadium.   He only had 3 years as an Angel where he hit more home runs than he did in St Louis in 2022.   

 

 

[Deleted account]

5 hours ago, Jar11591 said:

A-Rod was an absolute monster in a Yankee uniform. 

Yeah, during the regular season. He all but disappeared at the plate in the playoffs.

[Koz]

9 hours ago, Jar11591 said:

Im just imagining a 39 year old Judge, relegated to DH only facing RHP, hitting .200 with 20 home runs, getting completely trashed by Yankee fans like he wasn’t a dominant force at one time.

 I don't see that happening. Even if and when Judge starts losing power, he's still a very good hitter. If he hits .290 with 20-25 HR's he's still valuable. He's also a plus defender, and he may even be able to see some time at first base later in his career if he can't cover ground in the outfield anymore.

[AlabamaSpothunter]

2 hours ago, Koz said:

 I don't see that happening. Even if and when Judge starts losing power, he's still a very good hitter. If he hits .290 with 20-25 HR's he's still valuable. He's also a plus defender, and he may even be able to see some time at first base later in his career if he can't cover ground in the outfield anymore.

Maybe with inflation by then those numbers will fly for the Yanks crowd, but I doubt it.   They don't support their players....I'd hate to play there.

 

Trout and Harper certainly haven't earned their record deals although at times they were easily the best player in the game.   Harper is going to be out most likely all next year plus all the stuff this year.  Same with Trout except he's been stuck on purgatory island with the Angels lol.

 

Sherzer straight ripped the Mets off, love to see it though ?

 

 

[Dwight Hottle]

18 hours ago, roadwarrior said:

Buy a World Series?

https://apnews.com/article/mlb-aaron-judge-returns-to-yankees-4d96769289e2b66ba7eaa268f90595b5#:~:text=Judge is staying with the,contract had not been announced.

That’s the only approach the Yankees have ever had. 

[Chowderhead]

19 hours ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

Agreed for sure......I mean what are the chances he hits 60+ HRs in a season again.

 

I just thought he was gonna get more because he bet on himself and won in the most epic manner.   

 

It would be a hard pill to swallow as management paying a player based on a 60hr year when you know he's likely to not repeat that same year.

 

I don't remember all the numbers now, but to me it sounds like he basically got the same money as Harper or Trout, and on a per year basis as Sherzer as well.  That 40mil a yr. level.    

 

 

According to FanGraphs, the highest paid position players by AAV:

[AlabamaSpothunter]

Dang I can't believe Boston lets so many studs walk.    Padres are looking like the new Dodgers.

 

"Xander Bogaerts and the San Diego Padres are in agreement on an 11-year, $280 million contract."

[GReb]

21 hours ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

Yep the exact opposite of what we just saw with the classy Cardinal fanbase and Pujols 

 

The Braves fans are true class, the ownership is the scum of the earth.  Dansby is going to walk.  Meanwhile Philly gets Trea.

 

LIFE IS NOT FAIR ?

Braves will be fine with or without Dansby. I believe the focus is on LF. 
 

Xander was the smart money this off-season. 

[Bird]

I just wish that all series were 7 games.

Not sure the best team comes out of a 5 game series, last season was a great example.

[Chowderhead]

1 hour ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

Dang I can't believe Boston lets so many studs walk.    Padres are looking like the new Dodgers.

 

"Xander Bogaerts and the San Diego Padres are in agreement on an 11-year, $280 million contract."

As a life-long Red Sox fan, these past few years have been rough. Hate seeing Mookie and Xander leave.

14 hours ago, Koz said:

 I don't see that happening. Even if and when Judge starts losing power, he's still a very good hitter. If he hits .290 with 20-25 HR's he's still valuable. He's also a plus defender, and he may even be able to see some time at first base later in his career if he can't cover ground in the outfield anymore.

You are spot on about even in decline (and assuming him not having the same all-time great season that he had last year), Judge is projected (listed at 50 percentile) to have several years of All-Star level production. With that said, the last few years of the contract looks rough...

 

[Koz]

16 hours ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

Trout and Harper certainly haven't earned their record deals

 

I strongly disagree. They are two of the best players in the game, I also think that Harper is worth a lot more than he's being paid. Harper makes $27M a season, and even though he had injuries this year he has still put up 9.1 WAR over the past two seasons. If you take the standard value basis of $8M per 1.0 WAR, he's given them $72M of production value.

 

And Mike Trout? He's so consistently good that people no longer realize how good he is.

[Chowderhead]

1 hour ago, Koz said:

I strongly disagree. They are two of the best players in the game, I also think that Harper is worth a lot more than he's being paid. Harper makes $27M a season, and even though he had injuries this year he has still put up 9.1 WAR over the past two seasons. If you take the standard value basis of $8M per 1.0 WAR, he's given them $72M of production value.

 

And Mike Trout? He's so consistently good that people no longer realize how good he is.

Totally agree that Trout has more than earned his contract. In the 5 seasons since Trout started making $30M+ per year, he has put up fWAR of 6.3, 7.9, and 9.9 - his other 2 seasons were cut short by injury and short season schedule due to COVID and he still put up nearly 2 fWAR each season. The knock on Trout is recent rash of injuries and playing for a team that simply is never competitive for a playoff spot.
 

As for Harper, he hasn’t been as productive from an fWAR perspective (some injury and some up/down play) but he still has over the last few years won MVP, Silver Slugger, multiple AS selection, and been a beast in the playoffs. As a Red Sox fan, would gladly pay $27M to have him on the team. If anything, Harper (presuming he recovers from latest injury) will likely be viewed as being underpaid relative to the MLB market.