Reel for Dobyns Champ Extreme Spinning?

[Turtle Angler]

I’m looking to buy a Dobyns Champion Extreme 742 spinning rod and am wondering if anyone has suggestions on what reel to pair it with? Going to use for Neds, wacky, Neko, tubes, mostly lakes, some river.

 

I currently have a Champion XP 703 paired with a Vanford 3000 (which I love). I want to upgrade the rod slightly when purchasing this 2-power/ML rig for increased sensitivity since it will mostly be fished slow along the bottom.

 

I’ve noticed there are very few spinning reel options between $250 and the high end ($500+) stuff. My inclination is to stick with what I know and get another Vanford, but would love to hear other people’s opinions.

 

Thanks

[Turtle Angler]

Also, has anyone used the Shimano Twin Power FD Spinning before?

[FishTank]

Shimano Vanquish 3000 (JDM). Super smooth and light. Also one the best drag systems I have seen on a spinning reel.

[MN Fisher]

4 minutes ago, FishTank said:

Shimano Vanquish 3000 (JDM). Super smooth and light. Also one the best drag systems I have seen on a spinning reel.

I was gonna recommend that same reel.

 

GMTA

[FishTank]

13 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

I was gonna recommend that same reel.

 

GMTA

I think @bulldog1935 has one as well. 

 

One other thing with this reel, I really like it for braid. I very rarely get loops on the spool. It seems to lay the line perfectly. 

[bulldog1935]

My Vanquish is C2000S, and it's over the top for finesse fishing. 

Side by side, you can really tell the wind-inertia difference with small-frame Stradic, which is internally the same as Vanford.  No resistance to start, doesn't push your hand when you stop. 

While parts are part of it, it's mostly from parts-matching by Japan bench technicians. 

 

For @Turtle Angler description of his wants, don't think you could go wrong with Vanquish C3000MHG, and there's current JDM stock.  I'd say don't pass go here. 

 

My medium frame is Twin Power C3000MHG, which is a bad boy from frame, rotor and spindle stiffness to drag - also Japan bench-made.  This reel is not light weight like Vanquish, and has forged aluminum rotor. Vanquish will be lighter with magnesium frame and CI4+ rotor - otherwise, they're the same, titanium bail, same drive, spindle and drag. Vanford shares the Vanquish CI4+rotor, but not the titanium bail, extra BBs, magnesium frame, and Japan bench assembly. 

[QED]

These would be good reels to consider in their respective price ranges.  I believe they all come in 3k sizes, but I listed the 1k sizes because those are the ones I actually have and thus have easier access to the corresponding comparative data.

 

Shimano Stella FK 1000               5.8 oz            4/160, 6/110
Shimano Twin Power FD 1000     6.2 oz            4/160, 6/110
Shimano Vanford 1000F              5.3 oz            4/160, 6/110
 

[Dwight Hottle]

Take a look at the JDM Daiwa 19 Certate in the LT2500 models or LT3000 models. Available from Japan Lure Shop for $264.45.

[lunkerboss923]

I can't imagine finding anything better than a Vanford. 

[Turtle Angler]

On 11/21/2022 at 10:41 AM, bulldog1935 said:

My Vanquish is C2000S, and it's over the top for finesse fishing. 

Side by side, you can really tell the wind-inertia difference with small-frame Stradic, which is internally the same as Vanford.  No resistance to start, doesn't push your hand when you stop. 

While parts are part of it, it's mostly from parts-matching by Japan bench technicians. 

 

For @Turtle Angler description of his wants, don't think you could go wrong with Vanquish C3000MHG, and there's current JDM stock.  I'd say don't pass go here. 

 

My medium frame is Twin Power C3000MHG, which is a bad boy from frame, rotor and spindle stiffness to drag - also Japan bench-made.  This reel is not light weight like Vanquish, and has forged aluminum rotor. Vanquish will be lighter with magnesium frame and CI4+ rotor - otherwise, they're the same, titanium bail, same drive, spindle and drag. Vanford shares the Vanquish CI4+rotor, but not the titanium bail, extra BBs, magnesium frame, and Japan bench assembly. 

Thanks @bulldog1935. I have a couple of questions:

 

Which JDM website do you trust enough to buy from?

 

What do the “C” before the 3000 and “MHG” after stand for? It’s not obvious on the Shimano website. I assume the HG has to do with gear ratio, but the rest has me stumped.

[Dwight Hottle]

The best JDM web site for explaining tackle differences is Japan Tackle. 

[roadwarrior]

5 minutes ago, Turtle Angler said:

Which JDM website do you trust enough to buy from?

https://www.digitaka.com/

https://japantackle.com/

[warefisher]

27 minutes ago, Dwight Hottle said:

The best JDM web site for explaining tackle differences is Japan Tackle. 

Good website.  Very helpful.

[bulldog1935]

Jun Sonada is the smartest baitcast guy in the world. 

 

@Turtle Angler C is for compact - a larger diameter spool on a smaller frame. 

 

I buy from Asian Portal, Digitaka, Japan Tackle, FishingShop.kiwi ($40 to ship, but major discounts on most things), TackleJapan.    Also note, different shops may be better at one thing - another shop may be better at another. 

For websites that don't market direct to US, e.g., Haneda Craft, Squidmania, KTF, I use my broker noppin.com.  Also for Yahoo auctions and Rakuten. 

 

I've been using Masamichi at noppin 20 years - back then, you could only buy from Japan using a broker because of Japan banking laws and, especially, the language barrier. 

Masamichi is very good about getting answers to questions for you. 

[Turtle Angler]

39 minutes ago, Dwight Hottle said:

The best JDM web site for explaining tackle differences is Japan Tackle. 

Thanks so much. You’d think the manufacturer websites would have this info easily available…

[bulldog1935]

53 minutes ago, Turtle Angler said:

Thanks so much. You’d think the manufacturer websites would have this info easily available…

The Language Barrier. 

When you send an e-mail to Asian Portal, Hedgehog Studio, it's forwarded to a contract interpreter, communication back and forth with the vendor, then the interpreter's final response forwarded to you. 

Jun Sonada has great English, Masamichi has great English.  Jun has made the effort to essay his experience and put it in technical articles on his website. 

The manufacturers concentrate on design and production, competing with each other, and marketing to JDM - and we want them to continue with just that. 

[Dwight Hottle]

9 minutes ago, Turtle Angler said:

Thanks so much. You’d think the manufacturer websites would have this info easily available…

 

While your there read up on the Certate by Jun the owner. I am a Shimano fan & always have been but I learned a long time ago that Daiwa makes a better spinning reel than Shimano for the buck spent with the Certate. The sealed line roller & pinion mag seal system is a step above & helps eliminate normal maintenance requirements. I have five different Certate models over the last ten years or so & I have never needed any maintenance on my reels.   

[Turtle Angler]

9 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

 Also note, different shops may be better at one thing - another shop may be better at another. 

For websites that don't market direct to US, e.g., Haneda Craft, Squidmania, KTF, I use my broker noppin.com.  Also for Yahoo auctions and Rakuten. 

 

I've been using Masamichi at noppin 20 years - back then, you could only buy from Japan using a broker because of Japan banking laws and, especially, the language barrier. 

Masamichi is very good about getting answers to questions for you.

Can you tell me more about noppin.com? I went to the site and tried to search for stuff but it’s nearly all in Japanese. How do you navigate it?

[bulldog1935]

@Turtle Angler

Comes up in English for me

There's a language toggle right beside the sign-in. 

Noppin is a broker for buying from Japan vendors that don't ship direct to the US. 

20 years ago, there was no such thing - Japan vendors couldn't take payment from the US, so there was no reason for them to ship here. 

 

I've been using them since they were crecent-shop.com.  They went down for awhile in '20 and came back with a new website.  I liked the old one better, but this one works.  Go through the usage guide.  You can message Masamichi through the Contact Board.  You can also use the Contact Board to submit a shopping request with a link to what you want to buy. 

They charge broker fee, you can store up many small orders from different shops, Yahoo auctions, Rakeuten, up to 60 days free and send a Packing Request for DHL.  You transfer money (paypal) to your Wallet and pay invoices from your wallet - they'll refund whatever funds you have in your wallet to your paypal account at any time. Add to Wallet is also set up to transfer the exact amount you need to pay their invoice. 

 

But again, you don't need them for the websites marketing and shipping direct to US -

- here the shops I use them for frequently, along with Yahoo and Rakuten - they search Yahoo and Rakuten for you in English and allow you to bid and buy direct. 

For shops other than Yahoo and Rakuten, you have to submit a Shopping List. 

https://www.squid-mania.com/

Squid Mania will make up and sell any Livre handle/knob combination at a discounted price. 

http://www.karil.co.jp/index.html

Karil Bait & Tackle sells IXA salt-resistant finesse spool bearings. 

https://www.hanecra.com/product/54

Haneda is the place for Ambassadeur stuff and wood plugs. 

 

20 years ago, Japan was the only source for new glass rods, and amazing bench-made fly reels for a fraction of US bench-made ones.  Masamichi ordered a custom-rolled-on-order inshore S-glass fly rod for me.  Also, my first finesse Rockfish rods over a dozen years ago were ordered on Rakuten through noppin (this is a 3-wt pack rod with benchmade fly reel)

[Turtle Angler]

Does anyone know how to get a 2500 size handle on a 3000 size reel for the Vanquish? I don't feel like I'd like the thicker T-style handle of the 3000 series, but I don't want to give up the 5 kg extra drag that comes on the 3000.

[MN Fisher]

4 minutes ago, Turtle Angler said:

Does anyone know how to get a 2500 size handle on a 3000 size reel for the Vanquish? I don't feel like I'd like the thicker T-style handle of the 3000 series, but I don't want to give up the 5 kg extra drag that comes on the 3000.

Handles should be interchangeable...and the drag is at the top of the spool, so changing handles won't affect that at all.

[Turtle Angler]

26 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Handles should be interchangeable...and the drag is at the top of the spool, so changing handles won't affect that at all.

Thanks. Do you think handles from ALL Shimano spinning reels are interchangable, or only from other 19 Vanquish? Also, is there a well-known place to buy Shimano parts? A quick google search make sit seem like buying a Vanquish handle will cost $100, which seems ridiculous.

[MN Fisher]

4 minutes ago, Turtle Angler said:

Thanks. Do you think handles from ALL Shimano spinning reels are interchangable, or only from other 19 Vanquish? Also, is there a well-known place to buy Shimano parts? A quick google search make sit seem like buying a Vanquish handle will cost $100, which seems ridiculous.

I dunno whether handles from other models will fit...might have to search around.

[dodgeguy]

I would buy a Lew's hypermag . But then again I wouldn't since I don't fish spinning.

[SproDD79]

11 hours ago, Turtle Angler said:

Does anyone know how to get a 2500 size handle on a 3000 size reel for the Vanquish? I don't feel like I'd like the thicker T-style handle of the 3000 series, but I don't want to give up the 5 kg extra drag that comes on the 3000.

I have the Vanquish C3000M HG, I did not care for the T-shaped knob so I just ordered a knob from Shimano (RD18785) or (BNT5089). There is no need to purchase a new handle, I believe both parts fit, don't forget to order the knob caps as well.