Deep Diver for Kayaks

[Chaos10691]

Is there a DD that doesn’t pull a ton of drag? I’m in a kayak and I tried a 6XD and I swear I think it pulled my kayak to bait instead of the bait to my kayak. Any advice on fishing deeper in the winter in a kayak would be greatly appreciated.

[Choporoz]

Do you need a new crankbait?  This sounds like an opportunity to justify a new kayak instead!

 

Anyway, Norman DD22 doesn't pull you as much.  Keitech on underspin is an option.  Lipless and, especially, blade baits are your winter friends.  Optimum BLT can sub for a deep crank, but won't float up when it hits wood.

[Chaos10691]

3 minutes ago, Choporoz said:

Do you need a new crankbait?  This sounds like an opportunity to justify a new kayak instead!

 

Anyway, Norman DD22 doesn't pull you as much.  Keitech on underspin is an option.  Lipless and, especially, blade baits are your winter friends.  Optimum BLT can sub for a deep crank, but won't float up when it hits wood.

BLT?

[A-Jay]

21 minutes ago, Chaos10691 said:

Is there a DD that doesn’t pull a ton of drag? I’m in a kayak and I tried a 6XD and I swear I think it pulled my kayak to bait instead of the bait to my kayak. Any advice on fishing deeper in the winter in a kayak would be greatly appreciated.

Use an anchor.

A-Jay

[softwateronly]

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Azuma_Timmy_Horton_Z_Boss_Crankbaits/descpage-AZTH.html

 

They pull less than a 6XD and seem to get to the depth they say they will, but my cranking experience is limited.  A good anchor is probably the best solution.

 

scott

[flyfisher]

i always anchor up for any cranking other than squarebills.  That will be your best bet over finding some crankbait that doesn't pull as much.

[WRB]

Berkley Dredger series have less water resistance. 

DD 22’s are high water resistant divers imo.

If not tournament fishing troll the deep diver with your kayak.

3/4 oz Scrounger with 6” Sluggo will run as deep as you let it sink with little water resistance.

Tom

 

[Deleted account]

Patient: "Doctor, my kayak gets pulled all around the lake when I fish a deep diving crankbait"

Doctor: "Get out of my office!"

[Chaos10691]

6 hours ago, A-Jay said:

Use an anchor.

A-Jay

 

6 hours ago, softwateronly said:

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Azuma_Timmy_Horton_Z_Boss_Crankbaits/descpage-AZTH.html

 

They pull less than a 6XD and seem to get to the depth they say they will, but my cranking experience is limited.  A good anchor is probably the best solution.

 

scott

 

6 hours ago, flyfisher said:

i always anchor up for any cranking other than squarebills.  That will be your best bet over finding some crankbait that doesn't pull as much.

I’m gonna be totally honest. I legit didn’t think of that. The only concern I would have is what is a reasonable length and weight for an anchor for a kayak?

6 hours ago, WRB said:

Berkley Dredger series have less water resistance. 

DD 22’s are high water resistant divers imo.

If not tournament fishing troll the deep diver with your kayak.

3/4 oz Scrounger with 6” Sluggo will run as deep as you let it sink with little water resistance.

Tom

 

I’ve never messed with a scrounger. Do those do good in the winter months?

[Fishingmickey]

I use a 8# dumbbell and 75' 1/4" or 5/16" line. has been my kayak anchor set up for years. That will normally hold me in 20-25' of water unless it is blowing stink with big waves. Then it will drag

FM

[Chaos10691]

4 minutes ago, Fishingmickey said:

I use a 8# dumbbell and 75' 1/4" or 5/16" line. has been my kayak anchor set up for years. That will normally hold me in 20-25' of water unless it is blowing stink with big waves. Then it will drag

FM

How do you keep 75’ of rope from being all over the place?

[Fishingmickey]

You coil it neatly and I stow it next to the seat. I have about 40 - 50' out when I am anchored in 20' of water.

FM

[LCG]

27 minutes ago, Chaos10691 said:

How do you keep 75’ of rope from being all over the place?

I have seen videos of people using retractable dog leashes. I use a 2 1/2 pound weight and about 20ft of Paracord, but I don't fish deeper than 10ft and never use an anchor in current. 

[Choporoz]

6 hours ago, Chaos10691 said:

BLT?

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Optimum_Baby_Line_Thru_Swimbait/descpage-OBLT.html

 

[king fisher]

I fish deep diving cranks out of my kaya often.  Most of the time I make a long cast, then reverse the peddle drive, back up letting line out to get even more distance, then retrieve the crankbait while backing up slowly.  If you don't have reverse, than like others have said you can anchor.  I have also found trolling deep cranks with my kayak to be very effective.

      Rapala DD series crankbaits don't pull nearly as hard as some other brands.  They cast surprisingly well considering they are made of balsa.  I fish the DD series, when the bass want a more subtle action, but most of the time I am fishing hard pulling, wide wobbling, Strike king, or 6th Sense baits.

[flyfisher]

5 hours ago, Chaos10691 said:

 

 

I’m gonna be totally honest. I legit didn’t think of that. The only concern I would have is what is a reasonable length and weight for an anchor for a kayak?

I’ve never messed with a scrounger. Do those do good in the winter months?

I use a retractable dog leash mounted under my seat with the line replaced with paracord and running through some metal rings. That mount to my tracks up the front with an anchor wizard chute.  It is mainly set up for rivers since i don't have to worry about direction.  I use the chain da bomb anchor, i think around 7-8lbs, where i cut a couple links off so it would work on the chute on my particular setup.  They make a cable version too that is a little loghter but I wanted a little extra weight for river use.

I guess there is about 50' of cord on there and i never have to anchor deeper than 20-30'. I also find that the standard 3x the water depth for anchor line isn't as important on a kayak.  i usually use about  50% more than the depth and it seems to hold me just fine.  

[RDB]

6 hours ago, Chaos10691 said:

How do you keep 75’ of rope from being all over the place?

Retractable clothes line…replace the plastic cord with paracord & mount it on your crate, so it rotates depending on how you have the anchor deployed on your trolley.

[Koz]

Two words:

 

Pedal kayak.

[Bluebasser86]

Flat sided baits don't pull as hard. How deep do you need to get? I use a Strike King KVD HC flat side a lot for my "deep diver", but most of our lakes are shallower than 10' for a majority of them. 

[Chaos10691]

6 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

Flat sided baits don't pull as hard. How deep do you need to get? I use a Strike King KVD HC flat side a lot for my "deep diver", but most of our lakes are shallower than 10' for a majority of them. 

I'm in TN. We got places like Watts Bar where some of the deeper spots a fish may only get to 20ft but we also have Norris where 20 ft off the bank you can be in 50 ft of water. 

[BustedSwimbait]

14 hours ago, RDB said:

Retractable clothes line…replace the plastic cord with paracord & mount it on your crate, so it rotates depending on how you have the anchor deployed on your trolley.

This is exactly what I did. Mounted mine to the inside of my milk crate to keep everything nice and tidy and I can deploy on either side of the yak. Only gripe, sometimes my paracord can get twisted while retrieving because of how my anchor spins while I'm pulling it up. Aside from that, and still learning how to properly anchor while getting blown around, it works fantastic.

[RDB]

3 minutes ago, BustedSwimbait said:

Only gripe, sometimes my paracord can get twisted while retrieving because of how my anchor spins while I'm pulling it up.

Attach a swivel clip, so when the anchor spins, the clothes line doesn’t.  You can attach it to the clothes line or the anchor line…I attach to the anchor line.

 

 

[BustedSwimbait]

25 minutes ago, RDB said:

Attach a swivel clip, so when the anchor spins, the clothes line doesn’t.  You can attach it to the clothes line or the anchor line…I attach to the anchor line.

 

 

How I have my anchor line attached to the anchor, I don't think I could get away with that. I have mine setup somewhat like this just incase I get the anchor stuck in a fallen tree. Couple lakes I visit have big trees and have almost got stuck on them before.

 

[RDB]

27 minutes ago, BustedSwimbait said:

How I have my anchor line attached to the anchor, I don't think I could get away with that. I have mine setup somewhat like this just incase I get the anchor stuck in a fallen tree. Couple lakes I visit have big trees and have almost got stuck on them before.

 

I use a zip tie as well…I just have a swivel clip between the short anchor line and the clothes line.

 

 

[jitterbug127]

Anchor pulley system. Put it on both sides of your kayak and enjoy. Boat position just became your best friend. 
 

as far as anchors go I’ve to a 10 lb kettle ball or a 10 lb mushroom I’ll use. I haven’t used both yet, but they’d be necessary in really heavy wind. I’m a river fisherman, so spinning  due to wind isn’t normally a big concern. I’m fighting current more than anything