Is a medium-heavy Dobyns Fury equivalent in power to a Mojo Bass Medium?

[Ohioguy25]

 

I’ve heard Dobyns are rated over one power, how accurate is this?

[LonnieP]

I would say probably so because my MH Mojo Bass is close to a power heavier than my Mh Fury

[NavyToad]

Dobyns HEAVY is closer to what I consider Medium Heavy etc…..

[Tennessee Boy]

I mostly ignore power ratings when comparing different rod brands.  I compare line weight and lure weight ratings on the rods.  Using this method the rods look very similar.

[MN Fisher]

2 minutes ago, Tennessee Boy said:

I mostly ignore power ratings when comparing different rod brands.  I compare line weight and lure weight ratings on the rods.  Using this method the rods look very similar.

Ya - ignore the words used - use the line/lure ratings for an accurate picture of the rod's capabilities.

[Ohioguy25]

58 minutes ago, LonnieP said:

I would say probably so because my MH Mojo Bass is close to a power heavier than my Mh Fury

See that’s what I thought, and my problem is Dobyns only offer a moderate-fast action in the medium heavy, the heavy is fast and so for treble hooked baits you are forced to use the medium heavy which if it’s overrated it is not enough backbone for throwing the 1/2 oz spinnerbaits, Chatterbaitsand whopper ploppers I’m wanting to use it for.  I guess I’m stuck w Mojo?

[MN Fisher]

22 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

See that’s what I thought, and my problem is Dobyns only offer a moderate-fast action in the medium heavy,

The thing is - once you step outside the 'normal' rods, Dobyns is closer to others in ratings. The FR-705CB is rated to 1oz max lure weight, so falls in line there with other Medium-Heavy rods.

 

I have no problems tossing 1/2 oz spinners and chatters with trailers on my 705CB.

 

Again - ignore the 'words', look at the line/lure stats.

[FrnkNsteen]

25 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

See that’s what I thought, and my problem is Dobyns only offer a moderate-fast action in the medium heavy, the heavy is fast and so for treble hooked baits you are forced to use the medium heavy which if it’s overrated it is not enough backbone for throwing the 1/2 oz spinnerbaits, Chatterbaitsand whopper ploppers I’m wanting to use it for.  I guess I’m stuck w Mojo?

If those are the lures you were planning to use and want Dobyns,... I'd jump to a 733 or 734, and if you want a little slower action, jump up to the Sierra series. It's not much more than a Mojo,... especially if you can find a 10% or 20% off sale

 

I love my Sierra 734 for spinnerbaits and swim jigs. I think it would work well for whopper ploppers too. I use a 735cb glass or 736cb glass for my chatterbaIts, depending on what weight I am using.

 

That being said,.. I think the 705cb would throw 1/2 spinnerbaits just fine as Fisher said. It definitely slower, but will casts those nicely.

[Ohioguy25]

36 minutes ago, FrnkNsteen said:

If those are the lures you were planning to use and want Dobyns,... I'd jump to a 733 or 734, and if you want a little slower action, jump up to the Sierra series. It's not much more than a Mojo,... especially if you can find a 10% or 20% off sale

 

I love my Sierra 734 for spinnerbaits and swim jigs. I think it would work well for whopper ploppers too. I use a 735cb glass or 736cb glass for my chatterbaIts, depending on what weight I am using.

 

That being said,.. I think the 705cb would throw 1/2 spinnerbaits just fine as Fisher said. It definitely slower, but will casts those nicely.

What power and action for each of those? I have no idea what those model numbers are.

[MN Fisher]

1 minute ago, Ohioguy25 said:

What power and action for each of those? I have no idea what those model numbers are.

The Sierra 734C is a Heavy/Fast - but the Sierra line is a little slower than other lines...so not quite as stiff as a fast in other lines.

The 735CB Glass and 736CB Glass are in the Champion XP line - about $250 retail

[Ohioguy25]

Just now, MN Fisher said:

The Sierra 734C is a Heavy/Fast - but the Sierra line is a little slower than other lines...so not quite as stiff as a fast in other lines.

The 735CB Glass and 736CB Glass are in the Champion XP line - about $250 retail

Don’t I want moderate fast for treble hooks?

[FrnkNsteen]

4 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

What power and action for each of those? I have no idea what those model numbers are.

Sorry,... Both are a 7'3", which is the first two digits of the model#. The last digit is the power, so a 733 is their MH and 734 is their H, but remember they seem to run a little light, so, a 733 is like a heavier medium and a 734 is around a MH, but in my opinion,... a little heavier MH. In my opinion the run about 3/4 of a power light.

 

Fury 733 is rated for 1/4 - 3/4oz while the Fury 734 is rated 1/4 - 1oz. My Mojo MH Mod Fast is rated for 3/8 - 3/4 oz

[MN Fisher]

3 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Don’t I want moderate fast for treble hooks?

Normally I'd say yes - but the Sierra line is slow enough that you can use the Fast action with trebles...otherwise you do want a MF or even M rod.
If you're willing to go to the Champ XP line - the CB-Glass rods are excellent treble lure rods.

[Ohioguy25]

1 hour ago, MN Fisher said:

Normally I'd say yes - but the Sierra line is slow enough that you can use the Fast action with trebles...otherwise you do want a MF or even M rod.
If you're willing to go to the Champ XP line - the CB-Glass rods are excellent treble lure rods.

Yeah my buddy was telling me about those glass cranking champions, that sounds like the move for me. May as well upgrade if I’m going to switch it up rather than a lateral move like Fury.

[FrnkNsteen]

I've heard good things about the Kaden 735cb as well. That one is priced around the same as the Sierra,... Maybe a bit higher, but cheaper than the Champion XP

 

If you watch for sales though, I've seen the Champion XP crankbait rods as cheap as around $190

[Ohioguy25]

On 9/17/2022 at 3:45 PM, FrnkNsteen said:

I've heard good things about the Kaden 735cb as well. That one is priced around the same as the Sierra,... Maybe a bit higher, but cheaper than the Champion XP

 

If you watch for sales though, I've seen the Champion XP crankbait rods as cheap as around $190

How big of an upgrade would that be from Mojo?

[FrnkNsteen]

15 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

How big of an upgrade would that be from Mojo?

I don't have a Kaden 735cb. I've only seen good reviews for them. I do have a Kaden 714 and 744 that I like, but those aren't crankbait models

 

I can say I've got two of the Mojo 7' MHMF rods. I'm typically not a big fan of the Mojo rods. They always seem to feel tip heavy to me, but for some reason I like that one. It is what they call their "Spinnerbait" rod and I really like it.

 

I throw a Whopper Plopper 90 on one and the other is used as a backup for lighter chatterbait style lures weighing 1/4 - 3/8oz. I was throwing a Rapala OG Slim on it this summer up north and got a nice Muskie up to the boat that just had ahold of the tail hook. It did well working it to the boat but let go as we were trying to land it.

 

I'll warn you that the Mojo MHMF has a soft tip, but it helps it cast well

[Functional]

if spinners/chatters are your primary lures for this Im with MN Fisher. I have a Sierra Micro 7' Heavy/Fast (704c) and while powerful its got more of a moderate fast action to it. Its become my dedicated chatter/spinner rod and I have no doubt it would do fine with trebles. I paired it with 17lb mono and a daiwa fuego ct and its an excellent setup, havent lost a fish yet once it gets hooked (exception is Gar). 

[MickD]

On 9/17/2022 at 12:46 PM, Ohioguy25 said:

Don’t I want moderate fast for treble hooks?

This  requirement, IMHO, is highly overated.  You have to consider rod length as well.  A fast action 7 1/2 foot rod is a lot like a 6 foot moderate action rod on a one foot  stick.  A 6 foot fast action rod is a lot different with respect to the issue of keeping trebles in.  

[Derek1]

The fury 705 cb is a great spinnerbait rod. 

[Deleted account]

On 9/17/2022 at 12:46 PM, Ohioguy25 said:

Don’t I want moderate fast for treble hooks?

Yes, but Mr Dobyns would pull a strand of spaghetti out of the pot, put some guides on it and call it Heavy/Fast...

[flyfisher]

Power ratings have no guidelines other than what the manufacturer wants to use.  Historically St Croix has been a rod company that feels heavier than their ratings but again, that is all subjective as between lines there are differences.  No way to know without fishing them.

 

[MickD]

5 hours ago, flyfisher said:

No way to know without fishing them.

Not quite true.  I agree with your whole post except for this.  It is very easy to test for objective power and action characteristics of all blanks and rods by using the CCS system developed by a brilliant (deceased) guy Dr. William Hanneman.  The answer for power is a measurement in grams of how many grams it takes to deflect the blank to 1/3 its length while mounted in a  specific way, and the action answer is the angle (called action angle) of the tip when the blank/rod is deflected as above.  The higher the number the faster the action.  https://www.common-cents.info/

 

The testing does no damage in any way to the blank/rod.  If one gets numbers he does not like he can return it.  Of course shipping gets in the way a bit, but if purchased locally from a reputable seller, easy peasy.  

 

When I get a blank that tests with numbers similar to a rod that I like I know before building that I will end up with a rod that fishes very much like the rod I like.  The numbers do a very good job of describing how it will fish.

 

If one wants to go further and measure the True Natural Frequency of blanks and rods, that too is easy and probably can be done with equipment most fishermen already have.  This is argued to be a good indicator of sensitivity.  Hi modulus blanks generally have higher TNF's than lower modulus blanks.  I can provide details if messaged.

 

Point Blank and Rainshadow's RX10 series have manufacturer-specified/published CCS numbers.  (for blanks)

[dodgeguy]

On 9/17/2022 at 12:46 PM, Ohioguy25 said:

Don’t I want moderate fast for treble hooks?

Not in a Dobyns. Sierra series will be fine especially if your not using braid.

 

[txchaser]

6 hours ago, MickD said:

True Natural Frequency

I had to head to a search engine for this. Interesting. 

Any surprising results when testing your own rods/blanks, or did the curve following pricing pretty well?