JDM questions...

[Cbump]

15 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_SoCal said:

pull them in with rod then winding kind of slack line

I don’t do this. I’m not winding and grinding on them when they are making a run and pulling drag but I’m definitely not using the rod and winding the slack like I’m fishing for red snapper. 

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51 minutes ago, Bass_Fishing_SoCal said:

it is my birthday month anyway.

That was my excuse last month  

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On 9/13/2022 at 11:03 AM, PressuredFishing said:

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Absolutley I'm a budget angler but I can spend 10 on a cheap crankbait here or get a super tuned fancy jdm one with beautiful colors for 6 

What are some JDM crank baits you like? Something comparable to a LC 1.5 or Spro Rk Crawler?

[PhishLI]

16 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_SoCal said:

Just other side of mirror, I’m not saying who’s right, who’s wrong here. Forum is full of opinion, right?

Agreed.

16 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_SoCal said:

first of all, you based on member of 2 years used, but you don’t know how he fish or how often he uses the reel.

Correct, but I'm inclined to put stock in an opinion or observation by @iabass8 more than most when it comes to Daiwa.

16 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_SoCal said:

Winding in fight fish, nope we don’t do that, we let the fish pull drag, pull them in with rod then winding kind of slack line. I only winding against the fish just a short burst to get them up on surface when fishing weed.

This isn't an option where I fish. Our lakes are one big shore-to-shore weed with lily pads, so we have no choice but to keep the drag tighter than we'd like to, or end up tightening it mid-fight. Bass swim into pads and dive into weeds. Just fighting them through the pads to keep them from wrapping up puts plenty of stress on the gear train. Besides that, winding down on the slack and pulling up again puts every bit of stress on the interface of the pinion and gear teeth.

 

I avoid talking about things I have no experience with, and definitely dislike extrapolating or relying on anecdotes, but in this case I have. My buddy, who fishes where I do, has a new-ish Steez SV TW. He's dragged plenty of solid fish through what I've described above, and his aluminum gears are as smooth as ever. Also, he's been up at his cottage in NH alot this summer and has bagged a ton of big smallies with it. In my experience, if a reel is bound to go geary, then this type of duty will make it happen quickly, but it hasn't. This is close enough to proof for me that the JDM G can deal with tough fishing. Both have larger tooth hardened AL gears.

 

In addition, my Quantum Vapor PT with its aluminum main gear is as smooth as ever, and it's freaky smooth, even after catching plenty of fish and dragging several 5+ lbers through pad fields and weeds. The fact that it has a double bearing crankshaft and double bearing supported pinion certainly helps, but it's still a $149 reel. If a budget aluminum geared Banax reel can hold up to what I put it through I'm not going to stress over what "might" happen someday to a $349 aluminum geared Daiwa. Not these days. Life's too short.

[FishTank]

On 9/13/2022 at 12:01 PM, LrgmouthShad said:

The JDM monkey is rampant. No one is safe 

[JustJames]

@PhishLIif you fish the way you fish, where I would do the same, and you reels still smooth as ever, then I have nothing else to say. I have had quite a bit bad experience with Shimano and that make me worried. 
To my newest experience though, one of my alphas brass gear start buzzing when retrieve with some resistances. This is the gear I swap into zillion and had been fish hard around weed for the past 2-3 months. Lack of maintenance, no I made sure to degrease and then apply new grease. Gear swapped gone wrong, I doubt it. I swapped back the gear yesterday and the buzzing feeling still with the same gear when ever I reel the lure back in at fast pace. The other twos still remain smooth.

Again this is my own experience, who fish almost everyday. I didn’t not say anyone to base on my opinion, just put it out there.

[J Francho]

2 hours ago, PhishLI said:

Besides that, winding down on the slack and pulling up again puts every bit of stress on the interface of the pinion and gear teeth.

I'd say the AR bearing bears the stress.  I get why you play the fish the way you do - we have some serious thick slop on this side of the state too - but I feel like I can move the fish further with the rod.  That isn't to say I won't use the reel ever, though.  Especially if I can get them to the top ski them to the boat.  Maybe this is a separate discussion than this JDM thread.  Interesting viewpoints for sure.

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On 9/13/2022 at 12:01 PM, LrgmouthShad said:

The JDM monkey is rampant. No one is safe 

I'm like Ricky Henderson on second....

[PhishLI]

19 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I'd say the AR bearing bears the stress.

On a spinning reel, yes, but not on a bait caster.

 

21 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I can move the fish further with the rod. 

Agreed, and I do what I can with the rod when I can, but often need to winch them on runs before they get back into junk again. It's always hairy.

[iabass8]

20 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_SoCal said:

Just other side of mirror, I’m not saying who’s right, who’s wrong here. Forum is full of opinion, right?

first of all, you based on member of 2 years used, but you don’t know how he fish or how often he uses the reel. I can say my JDM zillion still smooth after a hard year or more of used with a bunch or 4-5lbs. But I use more like power finesse, not frog, punch rig, pulling deep crank.

I tournament fish most weekends and fish 2-3 times during the week when I'm not spanking @Jrob78 in Fantasy Football. It's got some use and then some. Their new hyperdrives are great. Replaced 4 sets of Steez As, Morethans /w the Zillion G gear set.

[FrogInTheWell]

53 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

I tournament fish most weekends and fish 2-3 times during the week when I'm not spanking @Jrob78 in Fantasy Football. It's got some use and then some. Their new hyperdrives are great. Replaced 4 sets of Steez As, Morethans /w the Zillion G gear set.

Are you saying you have had to replace the Steez and Zillion aluminums because of issues?

[PhishLI]

46 minutes ago, FrogInTheWell said:

Are you saying you have had to replace the Steez and Zillion aluminums because of issues?

Tranquilo, papi, tranquilo. He's saying the Zillion G gears are great. No need to smoke a tailpipe, Giuseppe.

[FrogInTheWell]

23 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Tranquilo, papi, tranquilo. He's saying the Zillion G gears are great. No need to smoke a tailpipe, Giuseppe.

I was just double checking,  I'm paranoid about aluminum gears as it is ?

 

 

[PressuredFishing]

6 hours ago, Cbump said:

What are some JDM crank baits you like? Something comparable to a LC 1.5 or Spro Rk Crawler?

Yes, but take everything with a grain of salt

 

 

Love the jackal mushbob SR is my favorite, its more expensive at 10$, but they charge alot more in the U.S I can reccomend that one, these others i have dabbled in but feel like I dont have enough experience to fully reccomend these the Megabass Griffin SR, a finessey crank and the duo realis 55m.

 

(P.S, baits out of japan have lighter wire hooks because they tend to fish lighter lines, so keep that in mind and plan accordingly+prices will change based on exchange rate)

[iabass8]

1 hour ago, FrogInTheWell said:

Are you saying you have had to replace the Steez and Zillion aluminums because of issues?

No, just better. Duralumin gears are fine. 

[FrogInTheWell]

4 minutes ago, PressuredFishing said:

Yes, but take everything with a grain of salt

 

 

Love the jackal mushbob SR is my favorite, its more expensive at 10$, but they charge alot more in the U.S I can reccomend that one, these others i have dabbled in but feel like I dont have enough experience to fully reccomend these the Megabass Griffin SR, a finessey crank and the duo realis 55m.

 

(P.S, baits out of japan have lighter wire hooks because they tend to fish lighter lines, so keep that in mind and plan accordingly+prices will change based on exchange rate)

Just some food for thought,  as a kind of joke, I bought a weedless frog lure at walmart earlier this year for 1.99.  Well, I have tallied 27 bass on that frog this summer...

[PressuredFishing]

27 minutes ago, FrogInTheWell said:

Well, I have tallied 27 bass on that frog this summer...

I bought the ozark trail frog too, its fine for fishing over cheese but other than that i hate it lol, it sinks after a few casts and doesnt walk sadly, but for two bucks I dont see how you can complain yknow

[FrogInTheWell]

17 hours ago, PressuredFishing said:

I bought the ozark trail frog too, its fine for fishing over cheese but other than that i hate it lol, it sinks after a few casts and doesnt walk sadly, but for two bucks I dont see how you can complain yknow

yeah, that is true,  it does fill with water, lol

 

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2 hours ago, FrogInTheWell said:

yeah, that is true,  it does fill with water, lol

 

That's a deal breaker for me.  No thanks, rather pay the $10 or so for better frogs.  Livewire, Booyah, and SPRO work pretty well for me.

[J Francho]

All frogs eventually wear out and fill with water, if you catch enough on them.  I've heard that some guys actually add slits to the back of their frogs, so the water drains on the cast.

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6 minutes ago, J Francho said:

All frogs eventually wear out and fill with water, if you catch enough on them.  [stuff deleted]

 

And that signals it is the time to replace them.

[FrogInTheWell]

I still have an old Bill Plummer Frog that I use ... works pretty well.

[Dash Riprock]

Unrelated question but I didn't want to start a new thread - I never see Okuma products on the JDM sites. Is there a reason for this? Aren't they a Japanese company (or is it Taiwan, I couldn't tell)?

 

I see Abu products on there all the time and they're based in Sweden (I think).

[bulldog1935]

Okuma Fishing

No. 11, Sec 3, Chungshan Rd.,

Tanzi, Taichung 42756,

Taiwan

@Dash Riprock

Pure Fishing Japan distributes and sells Abu in Japan. 

You'll see them listed on Asian Portal under the heading Purefishing Japan

https://fishing.asian-portal.shop/category/select/cid/352/bid/87

 

A great Doyo-built reel sold in Japan and the rest of the world, but not in the US,

is ZPI Alcance.  The ZPI spool is magnesium, titanium spindle, with ZPI tuned magnets and brake cam. 

[Eric 26]

13 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

Okuma Fishing

No. 11, Sec 3, Chungshan Rd.,

Tanzi, Taichung 42756,

Taiwan

@Dash Riprock

Pure Fishing Japan distributes and sells Abu in Japan. 

You'll see them listed on Asian Portal under the heading Purefishing Japan

https://fishing.asian-portal.shop/category/select/cid/352/bid/87

 

A great Doyo-built reel sold in Japan and the rest of the world, but not in the US,

is ZPI Alcance. 

I’m still drooling over this reel ever since @bulldog1935 first posted a photo of this reel. I’m a Daiwa fan but man my gen 4 Revo X winch just feels so good in hand.