What would cause my line to do this?

[DFWO]

26 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Once you've twisted the line enough to cough up furballs there's no coming back with XL, and 10lb XL is not great on smaller spinners with light baits and slack line. Drop down. It has nothing to do with your rod.

 

8lb XL, or would you try something else?

 

 

15 minutes ago, volzfan59 said:

Matt Stefan has an excellent tutorial on his YouTube channel concerning getting the knot's out of you spinning tackle. I would link it, but I don't know how. 

 

 

Thanks, I'll look for it this afternoon

[PhishLI]

5 minutes ago, DFWO said:

would you try something else?

Yes. 10-15lb braid to leader and most of your troubles will evaporate as long as you follow the rules and control slack with your rod. 

18 hours ago, DFWO said:

I'm using a spinning reel

Which one. Details?

[WRB]

Suggest looking at line diameters;

Trilene XL 8 lb is .010D, 10 lb is .011D.

Sunline Super Natural 8 lb is .009D*, 10 lb is .010D

*Recommend Sunline Super Natural 8 lb test mono, $8 for 300 yard spool.

Tom

[casts_by_fly]

I'm with tom on this one.  Sunline supernatural has impressed me a lot.  I actually went up in diameter after trying 12 because it was so thin and limp.  The 14 is even as thin as some lines 12 or 10 lb.  8 lb supernatural would be perfect for a spinning reel.

[dodgeguy]

Maybe you spooled it backwards. 

[PressuredFishing]

Called wind knots, very common, there is so many reasons this can happen, line diameter, line type, overfill, too light a bait, casting into wind, the list goes on and on. You can either strip down on your line capacity greatly or go down line sizes.

[DFWO]

42 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Yes. 10-15lb braid to leader and most of your troubles will evaporate as long as you follow the rules and control slack with your rod. 

Which one. Details?

 

Daiwa Exceler 2500

 

I have two of them, maybe I'll try braid on one, and 8lb mono on the other

[MickD]

Putting line onto a spinning reel, in my opinion, is best done by taking it off the end of a stationary spool with it coming off opposite of the way it's going onto the reel.  If your reel puts line on by rotating clockwise (looking at the end of the spool) then let it go off the source spool counterclockwise (looking at the source spool).  The theory behind this is that the spinning reel puts a twist in the line with every rotor rotation.   Taking the line off the stationary spool does the same thing.  But by doing it in opposite directions one tends to negate the other.  

 

Braid is much less sensitive to twist than mono or FC, so one way to minimize twist problems is to use braid, I suggest 10 to 15 pound test for most applications.  I use ZERO mono and FC on spin.  All braid.  Having said this, not all braids are the same.  Go with the premium 8 strand braids for best results.  It lasts for years so the initial price is not as bad as it seems.

[volzfan59]

1 hour ago, DFWO said:

 

8lb XL, or would you try something else?

 

 

 

Thanks, I'll look for it this afternoon

It's called "The best spinning reel tip of all time."

[Spankey]

Generally when spooling a spinning reel you want the line to come off the factory spool with the same loop/ curl/hoop that the reel wants to put it on the reel spool. Turn your factory spool face around if necessary. Don’t always assume the paper label side is the correct side facing the reel when installing. 
 

Can’t say that I’ve ever had much of a problem with XL, SunLine Mono or McCoy Co-poly. I use some McCoy on spinning setups I only throw light crankbaits with. Great stuff stays real flat and doesn’t break down quickly. SunLine is good stuff for my plastics. XL and Stren is a general good product. 

 

BPS Excel Mono use to be great stuff for the money years ago. Was told way back when it was manufactured by Berkley. That stuff took a nose dive 10+ years ago. 

[txchaser]

I re-spooled a spinning reel with the new line spool flipped the wrong way one time. It was a complete train wreck. Only two ways to fix it - drag it behind the boat or just cut it off and start over. 

[Conclusion]

Not to further hijack the thread but here is a pic of the line twist I was dealing with. I was also using 10# xl but we've always used 10# line so wondering if it's the xl. I tried the pinch technique and it was a mess so I ended up cutting half the spool off. It continued on the second half of the spool so I know it wasn't due to the spool being over filled. Again this was trolling and not casting. 

[1984isNOW]

17 hours ago, PhishLI said:

Yes. 10-15lb braid to leader and most of your troubles will evaporate as long as you follow the rules and control slack with your rod. 

The braid will make the MEGA difference, either learn the FG knot or crazy alberto knot. Or both depending on how into your gear  and saving time you are.

 

@Conclusion That looks like you might have stretched the line out too much while trolling, which leads to line that wants to warp and bend and tangle because it gets weak and kinks. Watch your lure weight, line strength, trolling speed, and drag when you're trolling. 

 

Much love

[roadwarrior]

On 9/12/2022 at 8:57 PM, MN Fisher said:

One of a couple possible reasons I can think of off the top of my head

1: The spool is over-filled and it's pulling loops off

This is the culprit 90% of the time.

[Conclusion]

@PUTitinYOURmouthFISH

 

Thanks for the reply that's a really interesting thought that I hadn't considered. The setup we use is unofficially called the "Quebec Rig" and consists of a sinker then about 3 feet down a swivel connected to a Toronto wobbler followed by another 2 feet of line with a size 4 hook and a worm on it. The sinkers we use are typically 1oz so all told it's a heavier rig for sure. We've done this before with 10# line so it must be the xl is too soft, any recommendations for a stiffer line without going larger?

[Eric 26]

8 hours ago, Conclusion said:

@PUTitinYOURmouthFISH

 

Thanks for the reply that's a really interesting thought that I hadn't considered. The setup we use is unofficially called the "Quebec Rig" and consists of a sinker then about 3 feet down a swivel connected to a Toronto wobbler followed by another 2 feet of line with a size 4 hook and a worm on it. The sinkers we use are typically 1oz so all told it's a heavier rig for sure. We've done this before with 10# line so it must be the xl is too soft, any recommendations for a stiffer line without going larger?

I use 10 lb Suffix Advance Mono on a 2000 size spinning reel with zero issues.

[papajoe222]

On 9/12/2022 at 9:21 PM, DFWO said:

Ok, thanks.  I've been fishing all summer with cheap, generic mono and never had this happen.  I switched to Trilene XL last week and now I'm getting these tangles.

Sounds like you did one or two things wrong, maybe three.  Over filling the spool, not filling with the line under tension, or you had the line coming off the filler spool in the wrong direction. 
Glen did a video on spooling reels that will address all three. 

[Conclusion]

47 minutes ago, papajoe222 said:

Sounds like you did one or two things wrong, maybe three.  Over filling the spool, not filling with the line under tension, or you had the line coming off the filler spool in the wrong direction. 
Glen did a video on spooling reels that will address all three. 

I mentioned in a previous post that this continued after I cut half the line off, so not from over spooling. I have the piscifun spooling device so I had enough tension and I made sure the line was coming off correctly so none of those. 

[TnRiver46]

Most people blame it on the wind 

[the reel ess]

Spinning reels, by their very nature, twist line. You can minimize it by flipping your bail by hand and giving the line a little tug to be sure you're not winding line over loose line on the spool before reeling. Using braid as the main line greatly reduces the line twist problem.

[DFWO]

On 9/13/2022 at 9:54 PM, txchaser said:

I re-spooled a spinning reel with the new line spool flipped the wrong way one time. It was a complete train wreck.

 

I sort of think this is what happened.  I bought the line at BPS, and the guy putting it on didn't instill any confidence.  He had some kind of tangle putting it on, took a bunch of line off and removed the spool.

 

But I picked up some Sufix 832 10lb yesterday and i love it.

 

[Dash Riprock]

I get these more often than I care to admit and I'm using braid. I probably have the spool slightly overfilled but I always close the bail by hand. It seems to happen to me when I make a sloppy/jerky cast or when I'm fighting the wind.

 

I've learned that when it happens, if I can avoid putting much tension on the line I can usually tug at the knot a bit and get it to unwind. If it cinches down, though, I'll usually just cut it off. 

[Drew03cmc]

On 9/14/2022 at 7:08 PM, Conclusion said:

I mentioned in a previous post that this continued after I cut half the line off, so not from over spooling. I have the piscifun spooling device so I had enough tension and I made sure the line was coming off correctly so none of those. 

Which line spooler? Does it just hold the line so the spool rotates directly at the reel? If so, that spooler is great for casting reels, not so much for spinning and is contributing to the issue. 

 

With spinning gear, lay the filler spool flat on the floor, label up. That will come off the same direction the reel turns, preventing some twist.

[warefisher]

Lots of great comments and advice on this thread.  Thanks to all for contributing.  I’ve learned a lot.

Am currently using all braid on a saltwater speckled trout setup and loving it.  Inshore water is not clear and the lack of a leader doesn’t seem to matter.

Leaders will go back on when I return to Canada next year.