Weeds beaking line?

[Sami]

I fish in a small pond with a lot of seaweed .I use soft bait .  15 lb braided line

The line breaks at hook after couple hours of using it. I use a Palomar knot ??

Could the seaweed have a reaction with soft bait It has happened 10 times?????

[papajoe222]

It's very doubtful that the vegetation is the culprit. I would check to see if zebra mussels are present in the body of water you fish as they will play havoc on braid. I also doubt if it is your knot as even a poorly tied Palomar will retain decent knot strength.

[dodgeguy]

Just because you use braid doesn't mean you don't have to retie.heavy weeds require heavy braid. At least 50 lb. I crazy glue all my knots. I also use Sufix 832.

[Sami]

Thanks guys I am going to try crazy glue??

[padlin]

Do you check the line/knot occasionally for nicks? Pickerel can do them in too.

[garroyo130]

I'd guess the knot is slipping. When is it breaking off? On hookset? When snagged? 

[Sami]

Right at the hook??

I test it every 5 casts . Then after 20 or so casts breaks off in my hand as I test it???

Crazy

[Jar11591]

2 hours ago, Sami said:

Right at the hook??

I test it every 5 casts . Then after 20 or so casts breaks off in my hand as I test it???

Crazy

Yeah something isn’t right with that. First thing that comes to my mind is your line is being dragged across something abrasive. Taught braid is about the least abrasion-resistant line there is. If you’re dragging your line over a sharp rock, it can fray until it breaks. Do you see any fray in the line when it breaks? Are you sure the knot isn’t slipping? (Although I really doubt that).
 

 Try fishing the same spot with a line that you can feel abrasions in, like monofilament. If you’re dragging mono over a rock, you can feel the roughness in the line when you run your finger down it. If you feel the scuffs on the line, then I’m guessing the braid is being scraped until it frays apart. 

[dodgeguy]

You should be able to see frayed braid.

What brand of braid is this ?

[T-Billy]

What kind of braid? I routinely fish trigs on 20-40# 832 in rock for hours or even days on end without having to retie. 

[Basshunter90]

Bad knot or you probably have a cracked guide on your rod

[Deleted account]

15 lb braid isn't abrasion resistant, but it is fairly strong. I'd check the hook eye, some have a gap or rough edge where it meets the shank.

[Tatulatard]

Is the line breaking or is the knot coming undone?  

[MyKeyBe]

17 minutes ago, Deleted account said:

I'd check the hook eye, some have a gap or rough edge where it meets the shank.

This was my thought as well. 15lb braid is pretty thin. Wouldn't take much of a gap to slip through or much roughness on the eye to damage the line.

[WRB]

15 lb braid indicates you are using spinning tackle.

What specific hook are you using.

Palomar knot can slip using braid. You can add 2 1/2 hitches with the tag end and cut off leaving 1/4” of line. The improved clinch knot or use double line and tie the clinch. The double line will not slip but leaves 3 tag ends.

Tom

 

[dodgeguy]

Never had a Palomar slip with braid in over 30 years.

[Sami]

I used crazy glue and haven't had a problem.  Maybe not enough tag line after the knot. I cut close to knot??

Thanks for all the help

[The Maestro]

On 9/4/2022 at 7:11 PM, Basshunter90 said:

Bad knot or you probably have a cracked guide on your rod

A bad guide wouldn't be cause the line to break at the knot. I had a rod with a grooved guide and it would break in random spots. Took me a while to figure out what was going on.

[Mike L]

On 9/4/2022 at 9:47 PM, dodgeguy said:

Never had a Palomar slip with braid in over 30 years.

Ditto

 

Never cut the tag up against the knot using braid fir any knot. 
Always leave a little for slippage in case you don’t cinch tight enough or didn’t tie correctly 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mike

[MN Fisher]

12 minutes ago, Mike L said:

Never cut the tag up against the knot using braid fir any knot. 
Always leave a little for slippage in case you don’t cinch tight enough or didn’t tie correctly 

This is a rule for me whether it's braid/mono/FC/hybrid.

 

Always leave a bit of a tag - better to collect a small amount of weeds/algae rather than lose a lure when the knot slips.

[throttleplate]

12 hours ago, Mike L said:

Ditto

 

Never cut the tag up against the knot using braid fir any knot. 
Always leave a little for slippage in case you don’t cinch tight enough or didn’t tie correctly 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mike

use a pliers to cinch up.

[Functional]

I used to live in stormville NY, small town and small world.

 

how old is your braid? 

[Sami]

Line is new!!!!

I fish a small pond in Stormville 

It was great 2 weeks ago, 1 nice bass per day.

I have been skunked for 2 weeks.  Any input???

[MickD]

Everyone thinks braid just touches a zebra mussel or a rock and it fails.  Yet we need special scissors to cut it.  ???????  I'm going to introduce "rock braid scissors."  Just touch them to the braid and it's cut.

 

I don't see the answer to the question is the knot loosening or is the line breaking.

 

Everyone is assuming that their Palomar knot is the same as the Palomar knot of the OP'er.  Might not be true.  Maybe his knot is not a properly tied knot.  Since the braid is new, and I've never had a "bad batch," and I presume it happens with more than one hook design (maybe not?), and braid by its nature needs a correctly tied correctly selected knot, I think it's a bad knot.