Super User Bankc Posted August 25, 2022 Super User Posted August 25, 2022 That guy's braver than I am. But those electric vehicles are insanely heavy, so I guess getting traction in almost three feet of water over sand isn't as much of an issue for him.
Super User GaryH Posted August 25, 2022 Super User Posted August 25, 2022 Ain’t happing… I didn’t get a boat so I could drive my truck in the lake. 2
Super User casts_by_fly Posted August 25, 2022 Super User Posted August 25, 2022 the biggest issue I see is that they didn't put someone in the boat to start with! Why not put a person at the steering wheel to drive it off once you floated it? Now someone has to hopefully float around the back and jump in. 1
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted August 25, 2022 Super User Posted August 25, 2022 it that is right, i'd rather be wrong.
Functional Posted August 25, 2022 Posted August 25, 2022 are the doors really that water tight? I'm not thinking they are.
Super User Bankc Posted August 25, 2022 Super User Posted August 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Functional said: are the doors really that water tight? I'm not thinking they are. It's supposed to be. They advertise they can ford water up to 43 inches deep. Gotta love that guy on the jet ski that wipes out in the background! 1
schplurg Posted August 27, 2022 Posted August 27, 2022 No oil changes, no blown head gaskets, no buying oil from disgusting dictatorships, no smell, can haul and launch a boat, no smog inspections, higher resale value, fast....no wonder my Dad complains about electric vehicles! His main complaint is the range, but they will be able to go much farther on a charge in a few years. I think Tesla (maybe another company) claims 700 miles soon. "I can only go 300 miles on a charge!" "Dad, you'd need a nap anyways after 220 or so " 2
Super User flyfisher Posted August 27, 2022 Super User Posted August 27, 2022 Brilliant..now get the price under 6 figures by 50k or so and i may consider getting one
Super User roadwarrior Posted August 29, 2022 Super User Posted August 29, 2022 Makes for a funny video, but I don't think anybody is that stupid.
Super User casts_by_fly Posted August 29, 2022 Super User Posted August 29, 2022 On 8/27/2022 at 5:52 PM, schplurg said: No oil changes, no blown head gaskets, no buying oil from disgusting dictatorships, no smell, can haul and launch a boat, no smog inspections, higher resale value, fast....no wonder my Dad complains about electric vehicles! His main complaint is the range, but they will be able to go much farther on a charge in a few years. I think Tesla (maybe another company) claims 700 miles soon. "I can only go 300 miles on a charge!" "Dad, you'd need a nap anyways after 220 or so " The Tesla Cybertruck has an estimated range of over 500 mi, but that is strictly tesla marketing info since at the time they hadn't built enough for actual testing. if they do come out with a 500 mi range option, I will definitely consider one. We are a one electric, one gas household. My ram is the gas and my wife has a model X (with 320 mi range). I wouldn't be opposed to an electric truck while she gets a small gas runaround like a corvette or something... The range question is still real for trips over 100-150 mi one way. For day trips around home there is no problem and it is excellent. For commuting the same. For longer trips though, you have to consider the charging network along your path. Our families are in Pittsburgh and we're in northern Jersey. There are a couple super chargers along the route and one that is near her parents house. So we can charge full at home, drive most of the way (a quick bathroom break topup mid-way) and park it. We can charge near either one day while we're home or leave home a half hour early to charge on the way. That charger wasn't there a year ago and the 350 mile one-way trip was a real pain as we'd end up empty on arrival with no place to charge or we'd have to spend a 45 minute charge stop that we didn't really need before we got home. Longer trips like NJ to OBX add about 2 hours of charging to an 8 hour journey. That's just a bit too long for me to justify so we take my truck which has a 600 mile range and fills in 10 minutes. With a 500 mi electric range, we could do it with one 45 minute stop en route (which we make anyway for lunch). 1
DaubsNU1 Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 On 8/27/2022 at 4:52 PM, schplurg said: No oil changes, no blown head gaskets, no buying oil from disgusting dictatorships, no smell, can haul and launch a boat, no smog inspections, higher resale value, fast....no wonder my Dad complains about electric vehicles! His main complaint is the range, but they will be able to go much farther on a charge in a few years. I think Tesla (maybe another company) claims 700 miles soon. "I can only go 300 miles on a charge!" "Dad, you'd need a nap anyways after 220 or so " Those are great points. I'm curious about the global production of lithium to power electric vehicles. I worry about the power grid handling all this increased demand. Heck, even here in Nebraska my 81 year old dad was without power last winter when we sent electricity down to Texas in our shared grid. I worry about brown-outs in California. I worry about water in Lake Mead. I wonder where we will dispose of all those used batteries? I am sure with technological advances, all these worries / questions will be solved and answered. I would certainly love to have the option of a vehicle strong enough to tow this to Montana and back. I'm sure not all electric vehicle batteries will cost this much to replace. We will continue to get better technology...I'm sure people complained about the new "horse-less carriage" back in the early 1900's...look where we are now. 1
Super User MN Fisher Posted August 30, 2022 Super User Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, DaubsNU1 said: worry about the power grid handling all this increased demand. It's not just that. Where's the extra electricity going to come from? There's only so many places you can put wind-farms on. Not everywhere is good for solar generation We're about tapped out for hydro-station locations...and the ones we do have are suffering lack of water flow Crybabies don't want nukes - even though in the long run it's the most efficient. So - we burn more coal/oil/natural gas to generate that electricity so the 'average person' can feel good about not polluting...while we pump more into the air than the replaced gas-powered cars would have. And as you said - the power grid was NOT designed to handle what we're already pumping into it...add all those electric-car charge stations, and brown-outs are going to be a common occurrence country wide. 2 1
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted August 31, 2022 Super User Posted August 31, 2022 progress. it aint for the faint of heart. i read a book about the automobile. in 1915 you know what the leading cause for transitioning to the horse-less carriage? the pollution. in this case: horse crap. they didnt have a good way to handle the monumental load of horse dung. enter the internal combustion engine. i imagine a bunch of OG's sitting around with straw clench in their teeth bemoaning the new fangle coach..."I'd take my horse carriage any ol day of the week! where are they going to get all this Gasoline stuff?" now? while i hesitate to say its the pollution again, it is certianly one of the culprits. sure as it stands our power grid is inadequate. but the EV movement is a multi faceted thing. they will have to fix the power source i suppose. i'll probably have my DL taken from my decripit butt by then anyways. i'll be sitting in a driverless car anyways. whippersnappers!! oh..i am waitlisted on the Cybertruck. sure it looks like a doorstop, but yea. hoping it has the range to get me and my kayak to some distant lakes..like New Melones. and back of course. in the meantime i think a hybrid Tacoma coming out 2024 might get my money instead.
Super User slonezp Posted September 1, 2022 Author Super User Posted September 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Darth-Baiter said: progress. it aint for the faint of heart. i read a book about the automobile. in 1915 you know what the leading cause for transitioning to the horse-less carriage? the pollution. in this case: horse crap. they didnt have a good way to handle the monumental load of horse dung. enter the internal combustion engine. i imagine a bunch of OG's sitting around with straw clench in their teeth bemoaning the new fangle coach..."I'd take my horse carriage any ol day of the week! where are they going to get all this Gasoline stuff?" now? while i hesitate to say its the pollution again, it is certianly one of the culprits. sure as it stands our power grid is inadequate. but the EV movement is a multi faceted thing. they will have to fix the power source i suppose. i'll probably have my DL taken from my decripit butt by then anyways. i'll be sitting in a driverless car anyways. whippersnappers!! oh..i am waitlisted on the Cybertruck. sure it looks like a doorstop, but yea. hoping it has the range to get me and my kayak to some distant lakes..like New Melones. and back of course. in the meantime i think a hybrid Tacoma coming out 2024 might get my money instead. Electric vehicle technology has been around as long, possibly longer, as gasoline powered vehicles. They weren't viable then and.... I saw a new EV Hummer driving down the road on my way to the lake on Saturday. Not a bad looking truck. Better looking than the Rivian. I believe the Hummer stickers for around $125K, maybe more. A few things need to happen to make EV's a viable option and I don't see them happening anytime soon. Power grid and range have already been mentioned. Batteries have a shelf life. Lithium batteries are not the answer. Let's forget the fact that mining lithium is not good for the environment. Let's forget disposal of lithium batteries is not good for the environment. Let's forget about charging station wait times and charging stations without enough amperage to charge your particular battery pack. Let's forget if I run out of "juice" during my travels and have to get a tow rather than hitching a ride to a gas station to fill up a gallon jug with petrol. Let's talk about cost to the consumer. Let's say I drop $100K on an EV. Battery life is currently 7-10 years. Battery packs are $20K-$30K from what I understand. I trade it in at 7 years because I want a new vehicle and I know my batteries days are numbered. The battery pack is at the end of it's life. Is that included in the depreciation when I trade it in? So rather than getting $60K on my trade, will I only get $40K because they have to install a new battery pack before selling it? Do I get the $60K and owner #2 buys the vehicle for $70K and now has to drop $20K for a new battery pack? Performance numbers on EV's are fantastic. 100% efficient torque and horsepower at the wheels is a pipe dream for fossil fueled vehicles. Are the benefits worth the sacrifice? I'll let you know once I win the Powerball. My personal opinion is, in it's current state, the EV's functionality is a hybrid between a fossil fueled vehicle and a motorcycle or scooter. Battery technology needs to change drastically for the technology to ever become viable. 2
Bassin Bruce Posted September 1, 2022 Posted September 1, 2022 On 8/27/2022 at 5:52 PM, schplurg said: No oil changes, no blown head gaskets, no buying oil from disgusting dictatorships, no smell, can haul and launch a boat, no smog inspections, higher resale value, fast....no wonder my Dad complains about electric vehicles! His main complaint is the range, but they will be able to go much farther on a charge in a few years. I think Tesla (maybe another company) claims 700 miles soon. "I can only go 300 miles on a charge!" "Dad, you'd need a nap anyways after 220 or so " And no charging when GovCo says no electricity for the Holliday weekend, lol 1
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted September 1, 2022 Super User Posted September 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Bassin Bruce said: And no charging when GovCo says no electricity for the Holliday weekend, lol Texas had the more infamous power outage IMHO. But CA is the more popular target. I had ties to both places. Family was in the dark in Texas. everyone I know in CA has solar panels. I’m holding out because I have a flat roof. Sucks. It’s getting better and better here. Progress. People learned.
Super User J Francho Posted September 1, 2022 Super User Posted September 1, 2022 The only thing I see inherently wrong is not having someone in the boat. Also, the invoice for the batteries above is a fake, circulated to generate political fanfare. As such, we're done here too. This is a FISHING forum.
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