World record bass, livescope

[Woody B]

I know next to nothing about live scope.  A world record bass either largemouth or smallmouth is/was an anomaly.   Was Montgomery lake the kind of lake that "should" have had a 20+ pound largemouth 90 years ago?   This conversation would be different had Dottie been hooked inside her mouth.  What kind of lake did the 22 pound 5 ounce Largemouth come from in Japan?  I suspect the next world record Largemouth will come from a private lake.   To me that would be more controversial than whether live scope was used or not to catch it.  I believe everything has to be perfect to grow one of these monsters.   I suspect the public lakes that have conditions capable of growing a world record bass have so much fishing pressure it simply isn't going to happen.  Here in the Carolinas DD's are less common than they were years ago.  I blame fishing pressure and the introduction of spotted bass.   I've heard that spotted/alabama bass do even more damage to small mouth populations that large mouth.   

 

 

Regarding live scope.  How good is it?   Can you tell a fish is a bass?  I've never even looked at a screen.  Earlier this year (pre spawn) I was fishing up a cove.  A guy in a nice Bass Cat came idling by, turned around then came back by.  He stopped and said "I've got live scope, there's no fish in this cove"    I caught my best bass for this year, (7 pounds 13 ounces) while he was right next to me.   He saw me catch, weigh and release it.  He just laughed and shook his head.   

[CrashVector]

Livescope, etc is ruining fishing in my opinion.

[Drew03cmc]

1 minute ago, Woody B said:

I know next to nothing about live scope.  A world record bass either largemouth or smallmouth is/was an anomaly.   Was Montgomery lake the kind of lake that "should" have had a 20+ pound largemouth 90 years ago?   This conversation would be different had Dottie been hooked inside her mouth.  What kind of lake did the 22 pound 5 ounce Largemouth come from in Japan?  I suspect the next world record Largemouth will come from a private lake.   To me that would be more controversial than whether live scope was used or not to catch it.  I believe everything has to be perfect to grow one of these monsters.   I suspect the public lakes that have conditions capable of growing a world record bass have so much fishing pressure it simply isn't going to happen.  Here in the Carolinas DD's are less common than they were years ago.  I blame fishing pressure and the introduction of spotted bass.   I've heard that spotted/alabama bass do even more damage to small mouth populations that large mouth.   

 

 

Regarding live scope.  How good is it?   Can you tell a fish is a bass?  I've never even looked at a screen.  Earlier this year (pre spawn) I was fishing up a cove.  A guy in a nice Bass Cat came idling by, turned around then came back by.  He stopped and said "I've got live scope, there's no fish in this cove"    I caught my best bass for this year, (7 pounds 13 ounces) while he was right next to me.   He saw me catch, weigh and release it.  He just laughed and shook his head.   

Lake Biwa is a large, clear lake that gets more pressure than most lakes in the states. 

 

Nobody said a livescope-caught record would be controversial, just that it could make pinpointing the fish a little easier. 

1 minute ago, CrashVector said:

Livescope, etc is ruining fishing in my opinion.

Elaborate please?

[CrashVector]

1 minute ago, Drew03cmc said:

Lake Biwa is a large, clear lake that gets more pressure than most lakes in the states. 

 

Nobody said a livescope-caught record would be controversial, just that it could make pinpointing the fish a little easier. 

Elaborate please?

 

Previously uncatchable fish are easily caught when you can sit there and watch them react to a lure.

 

Personally, I think livescope should be banned in fishing tournaments.

[Drew03cmc]

Just now, CrashVector said:

 

Previously uncatchable fish are easily caught when you can sit there and watch them react to a lure.

 

Personally, I think livescope should be banned in fishing tournaments.

Easily caught isn't always the case. If they are seen, they can be specifically targeted. I believe that is what you're getting at. It's available to everyone, but not everyone uses it. John Cox is a good example. He doesn't even have a spot lock trolling motor.

[CrashVector]

Just now, Drew03cmc said:

Easily caught isn't always the case. If they are seen, they can be specifically targeted. I believe that is what you're getting at. It's available to everyone, but not everyone uses it. John Cox is a good example. He doesn't even have a spot lock trolling motor.

 I don't eschew technology...I use a down view sonar unit to find brush piles for crappie.

 

I just think livescope goes too far for tournaments.

[Drew03cmc]

1 minute ago, CrashVector said:

 I don't eschew technology...I use a down view sonar unit to find brush piles for crappie.

 

I just think livescope goes too far for tournaments.

Just because you see them, does not mean they will eat. Livescope is a crappie fisherman's dream. 

[Dirtyeggroll]

100% a live imaging sonar will result in the next world record bass. The newest version has 400 ft of range. Given that, live sonar systems can be setup like a game trail camera studying the behavior of fish. Moreover, certainly the definition and interpretation of live imaging will begin to determine more and more the size differences.

[Drew03cmc]

14 minutes ago, Dirtyeggroll said:

100% a live imaging sonar will result in the next world record bass. The newest version has 400 ft of range. Given that, live sonar systems can be setup like a game trail camera studying the behavior of fish. Moreover, certainly the definition and interpretation of live imaging will begin to determine more and more the size differences.

Thank you. I just want to have a discussion about this type of stuff. It's really fascinating to me.

[WRB]

I been around long enough to remember the same hysteria over “fish finding sonar”. 

Back in the 70’s Minnesota outlawed fish finders. Canada also considered outlawing fish finders. I made a custom tackle box to hide my paper graph when fishing in Canada because my in-laws from Minnesota didn’t want the local to see it.

We used 360 degree scanning sonar to find tuna schools for decades, it was too expensive for fresh water bass fisherman until recently.

You can’t put your head in the sand refusing to understand state of the electronics. It’s here and evolving everyday and has been for decades.

New WRB always a possibility where they exist!

Tom

[AlabamaSpothunter]

2 hours ago, Woody B said:

I know next to nothing about live scope.  A world record bass either largemouth or smallmouth is/was an anomaly.   Was Montgomery lake the kind of lake that "should" have had a 20+ pound largemouth 90 years ago?   This conversation would be different had Dottie been hooked inside her mouth.  What kind of lake did the 22 pound 5 ounce Largemouth come from in Japan?  I suspect the next world record Largemouth will come from a private lake.   To me that would be more controversial than whether live scope was used or not to catch it.  I believe everything has to be perfect to grow one of these monsters.   I suspect the public lakes that have conditions capable of growing a world record bass have so much fishing pressure it simply isn't going to happen.  Here in the Carolinas DD's are less common than they were years ago.  I blame fishing pressure and the introduction of spotted bass.   I've heard that spotted/alabama bass do even more damage to small mouth populations that large mouth.   

 

 

Regarding live scope.  How good is it?   Can you tell a fish is a bass?  I've never even looked at a screen.  Earlier this year (pre spawn) I was fishing up a cove.  A guy in a nice Bass Cat came idling by, turned around then came back by.  He stopped and said "I've got live scope, there's no fish in this cove"    I caught my best bass for this year, (7 pounds 13 ounces) while he was right next to me.   He saw me catch, weigh and release it.  He just laughed and shook his head.   

I don't believe that bit about Spots ruining LGM or Smallie habitats.    Sure research has shown the Alabama Bass to be the dominate and more aggressive among the three, but there are actual lakes in Alabama alone that are public and produce trophy class Alabama, Smallmouth, and Largemouth Bass....most notably Pickwick.   

 

25 years ago I took Alabama Bass from across the big public lakes and put them in a 200-300acre lake I've fished since I was a kid.    This lake produces two things.....almost all quality to big LGMs, and Alabama Bass of all sizes to include trophy ones in the 5-6lb range.    

 

Before any of the stocking me and another man did......this lake produced the exact same numbers of quality and big fish.   It's never been a numbers lake.   Perhaps if it was a numbers lake then the Spots might cut into their populations.     

 

Hard to argue against Spots when all public lakes around me have Crappie, Bream, and Channel Catfish....all of which are heavy predators on Bass fingerlings.

 

I'm biased though, a 6lb Alabama Bass is a far greater prize than 10-11lb LGM.   If it's not a 4-5lb+ LGM, it's not much different than catching sunfish, or crappie.    Spots are just fantatic angling fish imho, only matched by much bigger LGMs

2 hours ago, CrashVector said:

 

Previously uncatchable fish are easily caught when you can sit there and watch them react to a lure.

 

Personally, I think livescope should be banned in fishing tournaments.

To be fair, I see Bass every single time I go fishing that won't hit a bait.....think of how many fish you see bust something up top, then you throw a topwater at it.....and nothing.   Same with a shad pod that's being busted up by a large Bass, rarely do I get one to actually hit a bait.    

Seeing them and catching them is still different in my book.  I just wish I had the tech, and knew how to use it haha 

1 hour ago, Dirtyeggroll said:

100% a live imaging sonar will result in the next world record bass. The newest version has 400 ft of range. Given that, live sonar systems can be setup like a game trail camera studying the behavior of fish. Moreover, certainly the definition and interpretation of live imaging will begin to determine more and more the size differences.

Imagine once AI and algos start mapping Bass behavior in real time, and build up large data sets....yeah that will absolutely change fishing forever.    Doubt it could be applied as easily in saltwater fishing though 

[roadwarrior]

44 minutes ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

I don't believe that bit about Spots ruining LGM or Smallie habitats.    

 

Lay Lake would be an example of destructive invasion.

[AlabamaSpothunter]

40 minutes ago, roadwarrior said:

 

Lay Lake would be an example of destructive invasion.

I'll do some research and see if I can find some concreate data or studies on this.   Would especially like to see them on Lay.   It's important to remember that these fish are specifically native to the Coosa River system....not sure how they could be invasive to their native territory like Lay Lake.   I'm no biologist and always have an open mind.   

 

Spots have always existed since I've fished, it's only been recently that the newly classified seperate bigger, meaner Alabama Spot has stirred up controversy.   I never remember reading about people complaining about Spotted Bass in the late 90s and through 2010 give or take.

[Woody B]

1 hour ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

I don't believe that bit about Spots ruining LGM or Smallie habitats.

https://www.ncwildlife.org/Portals/0/Fishing/Lake-Norman-Black-Bass/ChangesinBlackBassPopulationCharacteristicsafterIntroofAlabamaBass.pdf

[AlabamaSpothunter]

2 minutes ago, Woody B said:

https://www.ncwildlife.org/Portals/0/Fishing/Lake-Norman-Black-Bass/ChangesinBlackBassPopulationCharacteristicsafterIntroofAlabamaBass.pdf

I'm gonna do some reading tonight, appreciate the resource.    

[garroyo130]

Theres too much money to be made with the record. I suspect that the record bass will be a bass that was raised by a person with the sole purpose of "catching" a world record bass. It will then be transported to a lake, "caught" on video for YouTube monetization and go on to make a good chunk of change for the guy who raised it. 

[roadwarrior]

1 hour ago, garroyo130 said:

There is too much money to be made with the record. 

Maybe depending on how it is marketed. The Japanese World Record did not result in any

noticeable economic bump. 

[throttleplate]

On 8/12/2022 at 11:14 AM, Darth-Baiter said:

that Tyler kid found his fish on the screen and casted to it.

 

I was an avid watcher of his fishing channel untill he aired that episode using his live scope and caught that fish. Just didnt feel authentic to fish like that so i deleted his channel and never been back.

[Drew03cmc]

4 hours ago, roadwarrior said:

 

Lay Lake would be an example of destructive invasion.

Lake Norman as well. Might as well include the site of this year's Classic to the list. They don't hurt the LMB or SMB, rather the ALB outcompete them, which allows them to populate the lake within years to shift the balance. Lake Norman took ten years. 

[Stratocat_Joe]

18 hours ago, CrashVector said:

 

Previously uncatchable fish are easily caught when you can sit there and watch them react to a lure.

 

Personally, I think livescope should be banned in fishing tournaments.

If you're against anglers watching fish react to a lure, are you against sight fishing, too?  To me, I don't see any difference between sight fishing and using FFS.  It's just that FFS allows anglers to "see" cover/fish in front of the angler (or wherever the transducer is pointed) at greater depths than the naked eye.  I wonder if there was the same uproar about polarized sunglasses allowing anglers to see what they previously couldn't see?

 

And, as any sight angler will tell you, just because you can see the fish and see it respond to a lure, doesn't mean you can catch it!

[TnRiver46]

I would imagine almost all people that say livescope makes fishing too easy have never used it 

 

I’ve got a pretty fancy depth finder with SI and DI, it’s at the console and I turn it off before my first cast . I’ve tried to use it to help me find fish and catch them, not easy. Id rather just fish 

[schplurg]

11 hours ago, Stratocat_Joe said:

If you're against anglers watching fish react to a lure, are you against sight fishing, too?  To me, I don't see any difference between sight fishing and using FFS.  It's just that FFS allows anglers to "see" cover/fish in front of the angler (or wherever the transducer is pointed) at greater depths than the naked eye.  I wonder if there was the same uproar about polarized sunglasses allowing anglers to see what they previously couldn't see?

 

And, as any sight angler will tell you, just because you can see the fish and see it respond to a lure, doesn't mean you can catch it!

 

Can you use a drone to find your prey in a hunting tournament, or while hunting at all? In many places that would be illegal. Can I use one in a fishing tournament in lakes where they are otherwise legal? If not, why?

 

There is a point where technology takes away from the sport, according to rules makers. My knee-jerk reaction is to ban FFS, but there is an argument that all sonar should then be banned (or none). I don't have firm stances as I don't tournament fish. Lines must be drawn at some point.

 

My stance on pleasure fishing is that the hunt is half the challenge. That's the "fishing" part, the rest is catching  

 

Polarized lenses....hey someone could make an argument I suppose if they wanted to. Has anyone?

[Kelvin]

No doubt about it.  Livescope is a game changer.  In time more refinements will come and it will be the definitive difference in who catches double digit monsters and who doesn't.  High technology is akin to modern day magic.  Think of the most valuable companies on the planet and its usually tech. 

[TnRiver46]

27 minutes ago, schplurg said:

 

Can you use a drone to find your prey in a hunting tournament, or while hunting at all? In many places that would be illegal. Can I use one in a fishing tournament in lakes where they are otherwise legal? If not, why?

 

There is a point where technology takes away from the sport, according to rules makers. My knee-jerk reaction is to ban FFS, but there is an argument that all sonar should then be banned (or none). I don't have firm stances as I don't tournament fish. Lines must be drawn at some point.

 

My stance on pleasure fishing is that the hunt is half the challenge. That's the "fishing" part, the rest is catching  

 

Polarized lenses....hey someone could make an argument I suppose if they wanted to. Has anyone?

There are hundreds of drones at big fishing tournaments 

[schplurg]

1 minute ago, TnRiver46 said:

There are hundreds of drones at big fishing tournaments 

 

Are the competitors using them? If so that must be a nightmare. I'd be against it.