Death by Ned

[leinad]

don't agree at all - my experience tells me live bait is the real killer , worms, minnows etc., i stopped using live bait at least 20 years ago. i fish ned rigs 95% of the time , maybe more and have caught over 400 smallies this year from shore or wading and not a single fish has ingested a ned bait, all are lip caught or the very rare snagged fish. i guess if you sit there and wait 5 minutes to set the hook i guess that would happen no matter what your bait is.

[WRB]

What % of today’s bass anglers are live bait anglers.....1% of entry anglers at best. 

Circle hooks eliminate 100% of gut hook bass using live bait.  

Tom

[ironbjorn]

40 minutes ago, leinad said:

don't agree at all - my experience tells me live bait is the real killer , worms, minnows etc., i stopped using live bait at least 20 years ago. i fish ned rigs 95% of the time , maybe more and have caught over 400 smallies this year from shore or wading and not a single fish has ingested a ned bait, all are lip caught or the very rare snagged fish. i guess if you sit there and wait 5 minutes to set the hook i guess that would happen no matter what your bait is.

I don't watch or follow Dudley. Is he one of those who waits "to make sure they have it" before setting the hook/leaning/reeling into them?

[dodgeguy]

On 8/7/2022 at 8:18 PM, Sphynx said:

If you haven't gut hooked a bass, you haven't caught as many bass as you think you have, kind of like if you've never had one spit a hook or bury a treble in you.

 

This guy sounds like another washed up wannabe in a long line of washed up wannabes that are desperately trying to use emotional arguments to get a reaction out of folks and stay relevant, don't think I care to watch any more of his nonsense. 

I wouldn't call him a washed up wannabe . He's a 4 time FLW  angler of the year and has won 4.2 million . Last AYO was 2019. It's ok you don't agree with him but he's far from a washed up wannabe. He's achieved way more than most anglers.

 

[leinad]

6 hours ago, WRB said:

What % of today’s bass anglers are live bait anglers.....1% of entry anglers at best. 

Circle hooks eliminate 100% of gut hook bass using live bait.  

Tom

you sound like dd just throwing out percentages - dd statement was about the ned rig in general and used tournament figures for his argument. there are 39,000,000 licensed fishermen in usa in 2021 (per statista ) and 1% is 390,000 and they don't all use circle hooks. using dd's argument you can do the math. i have no data to back it but my gut tells me live bait may still be #1 in catching fish among lic.fisherman and those who fish without

[ironbjorn]

19 minutes ago, leinad said:

you sound like dd just throwing out percentages - dd statement was about the ned rig in general and used tournament figures for his argument. there are 39,000,000 licensed fishermen in usa in 2021 (per statista ) and 1% is 390,000 and they don't all use circle hooks. using dd's argument you can do the math. i have no data to back it but my gut tells me live bait may still be #1 in catching fish among lic.fisherman and those who fish without

According to this article and survey from 2019, modern anglers use live bait nearly 65% of the time.

 

https://midwestoutdoors.com/fishing-stats-revealing/

 

This is surprising to me. I usually see artificial lures for bass, corn for carp, cut bait for catfish, and when I do see live bait, it's worms for panfish. Most of the fishing I see and know of is artificial lures for bass and cut bait for catfish. I hardly ever see the ol worm and bobber, and I personally know of nobody that is interested in it.

 

 

 

 

[TnRiver46]

If only the bass knew that those worms were intended for only panfish. Someone should inform them with a bi weekly memo delivered to their little bass mailboxes 

On 8/6/2022 at 7:01 PM, MN Fisher said:

Didn't we have this 'discussion' a couple years ago...using the exact same vid as the 'instigation'?

Just searched for it, the whole thread was hidden. But yes we did this exact same song and dance two years ago 

[ironbjorn]

20 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

If only the bass knew that those worms were intended for only panfish. Someone should inform them with a bi weekly memo delivered to their little bass mailboxes 

Just searched for it, the whole thread was hidden. But yes we did this exact same song and dance two years ago 

There's always going to be bycatch no matter what someone's intent and target is. I don't mean to catch the ridiculous amount of crappie that I do on a regular Vision 110.

[Cgolf]

My 2 cents and flame me or block me if you want. I river fish a lot and I always fish on a tight line, with the only exception of giving a lure enough time to drop to the bottom. As soon as I feel a take I set the hook, I refuse to let a fish chew on a bait allowing it to take a bait deeper. This has worked well for me with hardly any deep hooked fish. IMO though true slack line tactics run a much higher risk of deep hooking a fish and I refuse to use them. Jerkbait fishing is close, but I use the reel to stop the lure and don't sweep the rod and then reel up the slack line.

 

Again my opinion and how I fish, but I won't fault anyone that fishes differently and it works for them.

 

This video is older and the last time I was in Walmart I saw a David Dudley ned rig kit, which I thought was interesting after watching the video when it first came out.

[J Francho]

Wait, he has a poop jig kit?  Yeah, this video is exactly what I thought it was.  

[Cgolf]

6 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Wait, he has a poop jig kit?  Yeah, this video is exactly what I thought it was.  

 

Yup

https://profishiency.com/perfectionlures/product/dudleys-9-piece-pre-rigged-ned-rig-kit/

[J Francho]

By all means, post a link. This thread is just the shill we wanted from that video. Whose soap you buying today?

[Cgolf]

13 minutes ago, J Francho said:

By all means, post a link. This thread is just the shill we wanted from that video. Whose soap you buying today?

Was just proof of the hypocrisy. I ain’t buying them as I already have too many turd rig baits. I don’t think anyone would take that as a promo link. 
 

Since you asked we use Kirkland hand soap an Irish spring was the cheapest so I bought that;)

[J Francho]

Fishing soap operas, lol.

[gim]

4 hours ago, ironbjorn said:

I usually see artificial lures for bass, corn for carp, cut bait for catfish, and when I do see live bait, it's worms for panfish. Most of the fishing I see and know of is artificial lures for bass and cut bait for catfish. I hardly ever see the ol worm and bobber, and I personally know of nobody that is interested in it.

 

Come up here to walleye country.  I would say that 90% if not more are using some form of live bait, and walleye is king here so it is by far the top target.  Panfishing would be second and I would say that half of all anglers are using live bait for them.

 

I don't remember the last time I specifically saw someone bass fishing with live bait here.  If they are doing it, it occurred by accident while they were targeting something else.

 

Bear in mind too that ice anglers here almost exclusively use live bait (minnows or waxies) here because they are limited to a vertical presentation.  Most of them just set up tip ups or rattle reels and wait and wait and wait for something to show up and bite.

 

I personally rarely ever use live bait anymore myself simply because I got sick of trying to keep it "alive."  Plus it just got to be annoying to stop at the bait shop every time.  I know a few people who are hell bent on using live bait every time they go fishing though.

[dodgeguy]

I stopped fishing live bait 35 years ago. I stopped because of gut hooking.I wound up catching more bass with lures than I ever caught on live bait.

[gim]

5 minutes ago, dodgeguy said:

I stopped because of gut hooking.

 

People up here targeting walleye don't care if they gut or gill hook a fish.  Their intention is to keep them, not release them.  Its almost exclusively a meat hunting demographic.

[TnRiver46]

16 minutes ago, gimruis said:

 

Come up here to walleye country.  I would say that 90% if not more are using some form of live bait, and walleye is king here so it is by far the top target.  Panfishing would be second and I would say that half of all anglers are using live bait for them.

 

I don't remember the last time I specifically saw someone bass fishing with live bait here.  If they are doing it, it occurred by accident while they were targeting something else.

 

Bear in mind too that ice anglers here almost exclusively use live bait (minnows or waxies) here because they are limited to a vertical presentation.  Most of them just set up tip ups or rattle reels and wait and wait and wait for something to show up and bite.

 

I personally rarely ever use live bait anymore myself simply because I got sick of trying to keep it "alive."  Plus it just got to be annoying to stop at the bait shop every time.  I know a few people who are hell bent on using live bait every time they go fishing though.

Catching your own bait can be quite fun, and I’ve caught a lot of big smallmouth with dead shad or stone rollers 

 

you don’t necessarily have to stop at the bait store or keep them alive 

[J Francho]

I haven't used them since the mid 90s, but we caught countless smallies  on soft shell crabs. 

[WVU-SCPA]

Any fish I've hooked deep on the ned was 100% my fault due to lack line management and bite detection.  That number is maybe 5 fish out of 1,000???  I've seen more then 5 fish with senkos stuck in the exit end.

 

If i ever do it again I'll make sure I give myself a 5 minute penalty. 

[Sphynx]

6 hours ago, dodgeguy said:

I wouldn't call him a washed up wannabe . He's a 4 time FLW  angler of the year and has won 4.2 million . Last AYO was 2019. It's ok you don't agree with him but he's far from a washed up wannabe. He's achieved way more than most anglers.

 

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you more or less proved my point, everything you listed was a past accomplishment. I could hang around Ft. Benning giving advice and telling stories to young paratroopers today because I played that game and accomplished things the vast majority of them will never accomplish (opportunity has a lot to do with this) but that would make me exactly what I called him, a washed up wannabe, because I'm no longer a successful participant. 

[Jrob78]

I don't fish Ned Rigs but Fat Ikas and other "palm tree" style baits are by far the baits that I've gut hooked the most fish on. I automatically bend down the barbs when I fish those baits now. They are super productive for me so I just do the best I can.

[Mobasser]

1 hour ago, gimruis said:

 

People up here targeting walleye don't care if they gut or gill hook a fish.  Their intention is to keep them, not release them.  Its almost exclusively a meat hunting demographic.

Agree. I have relatives in Wisconsin. They always take nightcwalers

[dodgeguy]

24 minutes ago, Sphynx said:

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you more or less proved my point, everything you listed was a past accomplishment. I could hang around Ft. Benning giving advice and telling stories to young paratroopers today because I played that game and accomplished things the vast majority of them will never accomplish (opportunity has a lot to do with this) but that would make me exactly what I called him, a washed up wannabe, because I'm no longer a successful participant. 

So KVD is a washed up wannabe also ?

[Cgolf]

23 minutes ago, Mobasser said:

Agree. I have relatives in Wisconsin. They always take nightcwalers

 

Not everyone in WI fishes nightcrawlers for walleye. Lots of trolling and the owner of the cabins we stay at, N WI, fills his freezer with lipless baits, zero livebait. I used to fish crawlers for walleyes, but it was inefficient and made a mess in the boat.