Death by Ned

[Team9nine]

29 minutes ago, gimruis said:

I think it’s safe to say that your opinion is probably more valued on this subject than anyone’s, including Dudley’s. After all, you did set a record using one. How many during that record swallowed it to the point where you thought they were going to die?

It honestly happens so infrequently, I don’t even remember if one got it deep during that stretch. 

[papajoe222]

I have a problem with that 1500 number because it's based on the assumption that every angler in every one of those 150 boats is catching 30 fish a day solely on a Ned.  I've fished club tournaments with as few as 10 boats (20 anglers) and few, if any, were throwing the same presentation. So maybe one in 10 boats would be a much more realistic number and that would bring the number down to 150 and that's assuming that the only presentation they used for 5 days was a Ned rig.

There is no doubt in my mind that gut hooked fish have a low mortality rate and that we should take measures to avoid it. I use circle hooks on many of my soft plastics and almost never fish a finesse plastic deeper than 12ft. because  strike detection  decreases the deeper you fish (more line out). 

[12poundbass]

3 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

Didn't we have this 'discussion' a couple years ago...using the exact same vid as the 'instigation'?

Yup, nothing but a click ***** looking to make money to stay relevant since his fish catching abilities can’t on the pro tour.

 

Side note: I’ve never thrown a NED rig. 

[Obi_Wan]

Agree with 12poundbass.  Click****  Nothing more.  I've watched this before and its just a bunch of assumptions.  Not worth the time it takes to watch.

[MassBass]

How about the tons of plastic polution in freshwater from baits like this. Pollution that is consumed by other fish, impacting their gut and slowly wasting them. Having a pack of soft baits get thrown off is just as bad if not worse than throwing your water bottles and beer can cuzis in the lake.

[Tennessee Boy]

For 40 years I’ve listened to fisherman say that one thing or another is going to kill all the bass.  I’ll start paying attention when I see a drop in the bass population.

[Smokinal]

Didn't watch but I think I get the gist from the comments.

On the contrary, 99% of my Ned fish are hooked nicely in the roof of the mouth and easily released.

[DinkDreams]

I got my father into fishing with a Ned rig. It’s the only thing he fishes. Over 10 years he has never gut hooked a fish on a Ned rig, even when he was first starting and let them hold on a little too long (catfishing background, it’s just a habit to let them munch on the bait for a bit).

 

Has he been lucky? Probably. But he’s probably caught thousands of bass in that time.

[Basser2021]

I'm not a huge fan of ned rigs, but I've never heard of fish swallowing the hook being a problem. The only thing I've had fish swallow is a Berkley Power Worm. Even when I would set the hook in a timely fashion they would swallow it instantly. It only happened at one pond though so it may have just been those bass.

[Cbump]

39 minutes ago, Basser2021 said:

I'm not a huge fan of ned rigs, but I've never heard of fish swallowing the hook being a problem. The only thing I've had fish swallow is a Berkley Power Worm. Even when I would set the hook in a timely fashion they would swallow it instantly. It only happened at one pond though so it may have just been those bass.

You were definitely not setting the hook instantly. 

[TnRiver46]

I’ve gut hooked fish on a pop R, I haven’t caught “thousands of fish” on anything without gut hooking. 
 

my friends have gut hooked quite a few on ned, mostly winter smallies. Not novice anglers either. 

[Bird]

So the moral of the story is....... depends on who's throwing the Ned. ?

[Sphynx]

If you haven't gut hooked a bass, you haven't caught as many bass as you think you have, kind of like if you've never had one spit a hook or bury a treble in you.

 

This guy sounds like another washed up wannabe in a long line of washed up wannabes that are desperately trying to use emotional arguments to get a reaction out of folks and stay relevant, don't think I care to watch any more of his nonsense. 

[MickD]

I've been teaching a guy to fish lately, and he was having trouble gut hooking fish on tubes and Neds.  I coached him to make long casts, then immediately take up the slack, wait only a few seconds, then work the lure back towards him, slowly, some stop and go, but not letting it rest for long.  This strategy gave much less opportunity for slack line. 

 

  We also pinched the barbs.  With both of these we have about licked the problem.

 

I think if people fish Neds or other smaller plastics and have not had at least an occasional gut hooked fish they must be working the lure to keep from having slack line.  Or they are not telling the truth.  But we are all fishermen, right?  So we don't lie.

[TnRiver46]

1 hour ago, Bird said:

So the moral of the story is....... depends on who's throwing the Ned. ?

Or who is telling the story 

[KP Duty]

On 8/6/2022 at 4:18 PM, T-Billy said:

Basically, they're balls of deep fried cornbread. I put diced Jalepenos in mine. Mmmm Good!!!

I read that hushpuppies were invented by anglers frying fish on the docks....their dogs wanted to eat some of the fish and would bark, so instead of giving them fish, they just rolled the cornmeal breading into balls and fried them.  Pleased the puppies, and they hushed.

[ironbjorn]

3 hours ago, Sphynx said:

If you haven't gut hooked a bass, you haven't caught as many bass as you think you have, kind of like if you've never had one spit a hook or bury a treble in you.

 

This guy sounds like another washed up wannabe in a long line of washed up wannabes that are desperately trying to use emotional arguments to get a reaction out of folks and stay relevant, don't think I care to watch any more of his nonsense. 

One of my biggest ever smallmouth got a squarebill in the back of its throat. Full on lodged. It's never happened since, and it never happened before. I'm not sure how she did that.

 

I doubt I'll ever get another hook, treble or not, stuck in me by a bass. I got a lipless once, a Whopper Plopper once, and a regular EWG once. After the WP, I changed things big time. I do not handle treble hooked bass by hand. Fish grips every time, pliers every time. With regular hooks, they can get unhooked when they stop going psycho. My hands have become more important to me than their comfort.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

I really think his numbers are fudged and a bit alarmist tbh, but if that video saves a few fish then I'm glad he made it.  

I just wish he would have gone into detail a little more to educate his subs.  Using the smaller lighter wire hooks along with smashing barbs will give the fish a much better chance at surviving.  

I've caught a lot of fish on jig worms and neds.  I've had my fair share of fish swallowing the bait.  Since I use smaller hooks and smash the barb, the vast majority of the time I can pop that hook out with minimal tissue damage resulting in very little or no bleeding.  In the past 5 years I can only recall releasing 2 fish that I was really concerned about and 1 was caught by my nephew.  

It all comes down to who's using it and how well they can detect a fish.  The guys that ned rig constantly are least likely have a high kill ratio.  

In my experience the bait with the highest mortality rate by far is a weightless senko.  Again there are things you can do to mitigate damage, but with the slow sink rate and slack it just seems to get choked especially on windy days.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

I really think his numbers are fudged and a bit alarmist tbh, but if that video saves a few fish then I'm glad he made it.  

I just wish he would have gone into detail a little more to educate his subs.  Using the smaller lighter wire hooks along with smashing barbs will give the fish a much better chance at surviving.  

I've caught a lot of fish on jig worms and neds.  I've had my fair share of fish swallowing the bait.  Since I use smaller hooks and smash the barb, the vast majority of the time I can pop that hook out with minimal tissue damage resulting in very little or no bleeding.  In the past 5 years I can only recall releasing 2 fish that I was really concerned about and 1 was caught by my nephew.  

It all comes down to who's using it and how well they can detect a fish.  The guys that ned rig constantly are least likely have a high kill ratio.  

In my experience the bait with the highest mortality rate by far is a weightless senko.  Again there are things you can do to mitigate damage, but with the slow sink rate and slack it just seems to get choked especially on windy days.

I really think his numbers are fudged and a bit alarmist tbh, but if that video saves a few fish then I'm glad he made it.  

I just wish he would have gone into detail a little more to educate his subs.  Using the smaller lighter wire hooks along with smashing barbs will give the fish a much better chance at surviving.  

I've caught a lot of fish on jig worms and neds.  I've had my fair share of fish swallowing the bait.  Since I use smaller hooks and smash the barb, the vast majority of the time I can pop that hook out with minimal tissue damage resulting in very little or no bleeding.  In the past 5 years I can only recall releasing 2 fish that I was really concerned about and 1 was caught by my nephew.  

It all comes down to who's using it and how well they can detect a fish.  The guys that ned rig constantly are least likely have a high kill ratio.  

In my experience the bait with the highest mortality rate by far is a weightless senko.  Again there are things you can do to mitigate damage, but with the slow sink rate and slack it just seems to get choked especially on windy days.

[JustJames]

If I gutted hook bass more, my wife would be even happier and might let me buy more stuffs. Last year she only got 2-3 bass, this year one so far, sleeping in the freezer from deadly Fatika and 4/0 hook and that compare to several hundreds I caught each year. What is percentage 1%? I’ll take that.

Like my pro golf always tell me “get off those YouTube video” 

[WRB]

Anytime bass engulfs soft plastics into their throat area there is a chance of severe or fatal damage to the bass as a result.

Doesn’t,  Matter if it’s a Ned rig Trd a Weightless stick bait or C-rig. How we remove the hook without bleeding is what matters.

Live wells kill move bass then Ned rigs every weekend.

Tom

[Sphynx]

10 hours ago, ironbjorn said:

One of my biggest ever smallmouth got a squarebill in the back of its throat. Full on lodged. It's never happened since, and it never happened before. I'm not sure how she did that.

 

I doubt I'll ever get another hook, treble or not, stuck in me by a bass. I got a lipless once, a Whopper Plopper once, and a regular EWG once. After the WP, I changed things big time. I do not handle treble hooked bass by hand. Fish grips every time, pliers every time. With regular hooks, they can get unhooked when they stop going psycho. My hands have become more important to me than their comfort.

Yep, I have seen some goofy stuff, and I couldn't agree more about the fish grips/pliers. If you do something long enough, every possible outcome will eventually occur, some folks see things sooner, others later, but if you play the game long enough, you get to see some statistically low probability, wild stuff.

[J Francho]

On 8/6/2022 at 6:45 PM, Team9nine said:

I think he should have stopped at, “They’re rough stats. They’re not accurate. They’re just an assumption of what’s going on,” IMO . Been throwing it hard for 10 years - very few have ever swallowed it - maybe 2-3 every year.

The one we can say for sure is he's pumping his monetized video really hard with all the sensationalism. That's a stat you can take to the bank. The rest is bologna. 

[Bluebasser86]

One of the most ridiculous videos I've ever had the displeasure of watching when he put it out. I unfollowed his channel after he posted this junk. It's ironic considering how much DD fishes a wacky rig, which fish swallow at a much higher rate than a Ned rig IMO. 

[DitchPanda]

45 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said:

One of the most ridiculous videos I've ever had the displeasure of watching when he put it out. I unfollowed his channel after he posted this junk. It's ironic considering how much DD fishes a wacky rig, which fish swallow at a much higher rate than a Ned rig IMO. 

Maybe he sucks with a Ned and he's tired of other guys kicking his a#$ with it. Wacky is his bread and butter so he can't throw shade at it. Make it fit your narrative buddy...that's the move.