Casting Rod vs Spinning Rod Specific Techniques

[PressuredFishing]

Lighter=spinning

Heavier=casting

Keep it simple

[Jeffrey Walker]

so indont really see a purpose 

12 minutes ago, PressuredFishing said:

Lighter=spinning

Heavier=casting

Keep it simple

oknseems to be the consensus generally speaking.  

 

if that true, would it be fair to say that Medium Heavy and Heavy power spinning rods are less popular for bass fishing than medium and medium light spinning rods,  since spinning gear flr bass seems to be favored for lighter applications? 

[PressuredFishing]

20 minutes ago, Jeffrey Walker said:

so indont really see a purpose 

oknseems to be the consensus generally speaking.  

 

if that true, would it be fair to say that Medium Heavy and Heavy power spinning rods are less popular for bass fishing than medium and medium light spinning rods,  since spinning gear flr bass seems to be favored for lighter applications? 

Yes, I use large 5000-6000 size reels in open deep water in wind for mackerel off piers in california with 1-3oz all the time, spinning reels also hold up better to salt than conventional due to their closed design. Spinning reels have the ability to fight wind well and cast long distances off beaches with ease. 

 

Baitcasters are usually preferred in fw for lmb because of their ability to pitch and land heavy lures softly and accurately near in and around cover, the ability to slow the spool before the lure Lands offers much more control than slowing a lure with a spinning reel.

 

If you are fishing for lmb bass offshore open water With little target able cover (ex. A rockpile, riprap, humps, etc) with a 1-2 oz jig you can fish it with a heavy 4000 spinning or 100 casting and it's a wash. 

 

Finally you get into the semantics of line twist vs backlash, flipping a bail vs pushing a button etc etc. 

 

Keep it simple, pick your poison, both cons of both reels can be minimized greatly to improve quality of life while fishing. 

[Mbirdsley]

At least as far as finesse fishing goes .3 years ago I would have said yes, That their are techniques better suited for spinning than bait casting.  
 

However, with the advent of BFS I don’t know if I could say that any more.  I’ve never used a bfs set up but, I think with bfs rigs they can do anything a lighter spinning rod can do 

[fin]

7 hours ago, Jeffrey Walker said:

so indont really see a purpose 

oknseems to be the consensus generally speaking.  

 

if that true, would it be fair to say that Medium Heavy and Heavy power spinning rods are less popular for bass fishing than medium and medium light spinning rods,  since spinning gear flr bass seems to be favored for lighter applications? 

 

No, that is not safe to say. I fish with a Medium Heavy spinning rod, that is my primary rod.

 

I think the OP may be hunting and pecking on a cell phone. That would help explain their short responses. Maybe English is not their first language.

 

It would be nice to know what they are trying to really get at. I suspect they are thinking about buying a rod/reel and have no clue what to buy.

[Jar11591]

19 hours ago, gimruis said:

That is the point I was trying to make.  Using the most effective tool for the job will make you a better angler.  Just utilizing one tool for every job might work, but it will not be as effective.  That is simple physics.

 This is always my line of thinking. Sure you can bash a nail into a wall with the butt end of a wrench, but no one is going to argue that a wrench is just as good as a hammer for bashing nails. 

[scaleface]

I only carry one spinning outfit and have been using it more and more . Thinking about toting along a second one . Been using it for tubes , neds and dropshot .

[QED]

16 hours ago, TOXIC said:

I will repeat and die on the hill that a weightless Senko should never be thrown on anything heavier than 8lb test mono and a spinning rod.  Ever. 

 

I fish mostly UL/L/BFS/ML gear.  Unweighted Senkos are actually pretty heavy (4" Senko with o-ring and hook weighs about 0.23 oz) and cast very well with BFS gear and 6 lb test.

[Darth-Baiter]

On 8/2/2022 at 5:55 AM, Bird said:

Spinning for skipping baits.

 

i should get my feeble brain on board with this.  i'n not sure i'll ever master skipping a baitcaster.  

 

this would put a Neko/Wacky worm on a spinner for me. 

[MN Fisher]

5 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said:

i should get my feeble brain on board with this.  i'n not sure i'll ever master skipping a baitcaster.  

 

this would put a Neko/Wacky worm on a spinner for me. 

Join the club

I skip jigs, spinners, chatters on a MH/F spinning rig

Nekos, Wacky, etc on either my M/F spinning rig or my ML/MF spinning rig.

[QED]

7 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said:

i should get my feeble brain on board with this.  i'n not sure i'll ever master skipping a baitcaster.  [stuff deleted]

 

Are you trying with appropriate baitcasting gear? Baitcasting skipping has similar requirements to BFS gear, e.g., shallow, low inertia spools.

[Darth-Baiter]

5 minutes ago, QED said:

 

Are you trying with appropriate baitcasting gear? Baitcasting skipping has similar requirements to BFS gear, e.g., shallow, low inertia spools.

nope.  i'm eyeballing that Lews Pro reel.  i'm trying to perfect my birdnest picking skills on deep deep backlashes.

 

but good point.  i'll try to skip a senko on my BFS.  

[fishwizzard]

23 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said:

 

but good point.  i'll try to skip a senko on my BFS.  

 

Make sure the worm is well secured to the hook and check it every skip.  I don't think any mortal man has the thumb speed to save the spool if that worm flies off mid-skip.  

[TOXIC]

1 hour ago, QED said:

 

I fish mostly UL/L/BFS/ML gear.  Unweighted Senkos are actually pretty heavy (4" Senko with o-ring and hook weighs about 0.23 oz) and cast very well with BFS gear and 6 lb test.

You’ll get no argument from me that castability is easily a possibility with bait casting gear even the traditional baitcasters not designed for finesse applications.  Where they all differ from a spinning reel is the totally free flowing line from the spool.  There is no baitcaster you can do that with, even those designed to throw super light baits.  ?

[WRB]

I can’t recall Gary Yamamoto using a casting reel as a pro angler.

Every pro I see on TV has a spinning out on the deck along with casting. 

Mark Davis for example skips under docks using spinning as do several other pros.

Spinning reels have become the right tool for several presentations.  

It’s as simple as lighter spinning, heavier casting.

Tom

[fishwizzard]

1 hour ago, TOXIC said:

  Where they all differ from a spinning reel is the totally free flowing line from the spool.  There is no baitcaster you can do that with, even those designed to throw super light baits.  ?

 

Have you actually tried it with a modern finesse spooled reel set w/o any spool tension?   I have and I can't notice any difference in fall rate or action letting a 5" Senko sink by stripping line manually vs letting the spool roll, so long as you put a little slack in the line at splashdown.  

[TOXIC]

3 minutes ago, fishwizzard said:

 

Have you actually tried it with a modern finesse spooled reel set w/o any spool tension?   I have and I can't notice any difference in fall rate or action letting a 5" Senko sink by stripping line manually vs letting the spool roll, so long as you put a little slack in the line at splashdown.  

Yes.  Even a modern finesse baitcaster in freespool won’t feed line the same way as a spinning spool with the same line.  My other point still holds true that by hand feeding the line you are missing hits.  Once my bait hits the water, I no longer have any attention on my reel.  None.  I am watching my line at 2 locations.  1 where it enters the water and is closest to my Senko and 2 where the line touches the water closest to my rod.  I couldn’t do that hand feeding line.  I may be an oddity I’ll admit but I have been a Senko fanatic since they were first offered.  I even notice different sink rates in different color/fleck combinations and different colors that skip better than others.  My ability to do that is directly related to the gear I throw them on.  

[fishwizzard]

1 minute ago, TOXIC said:

Yes.  Even a modern finesse baitcaster in freespool won’t feed line the same way as a spinning spool with the same line.  My other point still holds true that by hand feeding the line you are missing hits.  Once my bait hits the water, I no longer have any attention on my reel.  None.  I am watching my line at 2 locations.  1 where it enters the water and is closest to my Senko and 2 where the line touches the water closest to my rod.  I couldn’t do that hand feeding line.  I may be an oddity I’ll admit but I have been a Senko fanatic since they were first offered.  I even notice different sink rates in different color/fleck combinations and different colors that skip better than others.  My ability to do that is directly related to the gear I throw them on.  

 

I am not talking about hand-pulling line, my point was, that with the gear I have (Alphas SV, DIY Spool, 10lb Sniper), I cannot detect any difference in fall/action when the line has no pressure on it (hand-pulling the line) vs just letting the spool do it's thing.  Eyes off the reel, hands ready to crank the handle to engage the spool.  The Senko isn't falling in a vacuum, at some point the "pull-back" from the spool revolving isn't going to matter much at all due to the other forces acting on the Senko as it falls. 

 

It also matters how deep you are fishing, most of the time I am throwing a weightless Senko I am in like 5-6' of water max.  By raising the rod tip on splashdown and then lowering the tip as the lure sinks I can get a totally free fall and keep the spool engaged and ready to react to a hit.  

 

 

[WRB]

It wasn’t long ago that spinning reels were not allowed on salt water charter sport fishing boats. The problem was the anglers couldn't control hard fight fish and spools would fail stripping off rods guides on the up the rod.

Way back in the 70’s Don Iovino was custom tuning Ambassador 2500C reels for finesse bass fishing using light line ( 5 lb UG) and winning tournaments earning Don a place in Fishing Hall of Fame as the Father of Finesse fishing.

About 15 years ago Don started using spinning reels and his finesse bait casters.

Tom

 

[TOXIC]

5 minutes ago, fishwizzard said:

 

I am not talking about hand-pulling line, my point was, that with the gear I have (Alphas SV, DIY Spool, 10lb Sniper), I cannot detect any difference in fall/action when the line has no pressure on it (hand-pulling the line) vs just letting the spool do it's thing.  Eyes off the reel, hands ready to crank the handle to engage the spool.  The Senko isn't falling in a vacuum, at some point the "pull-back" from the spool revolving isn't going to matter much at all due to the other forces acting on the Senko as it falls. 

 

It also matters how deep you are fishing, most of the time I am throwing a weightless Senko I am in like 5-6' of water max.  By raising the rod tip on splashdown and then lowering the tip as the lure sinks I can get a totally free fall and keep the spool engaged and ready to react to a hit.  

 

 

We have different styles and I am glad yours works for you. I’m afraid It would be too much of a reeducation or learning curve for me to change up now.  I can see you make it work for you.  That’s fantastic.  I will never be able to see where any baitcasting reel that has drag, casting and frame mounting mechanisms on it can feed line as freely as a spinning reel with the only friction being the line guides.  I would like to share a boat with you sometime, I think we could both learn something. ?

[fishwizzard]

 

I will very much "agree to disagree" with you in the most pure intention of that saying. 

 

There are people right now who are pushing the limits of what one can do with casting tackle and while a lot of it seems like "Art for art's sake", there is still a lot that can be very useful in terms of offering useful options for fishing traditionally-spinning presentations.  The tech is getting better all the time as well, most of my collection is older tuned/moded reels and it took a lot for me to admit that the BFS/UL casting reels that have come out in the last few years are a noticeable improvement over my old classics. 

 

24 minutes ago, TOXIC said:

  I would like to share a boat with you sometime, I think we could both learn something. ?

 

I would love nothing more and my sea-legs aren't the best so I will be easily be rid of if my questions become too tiresome.   

[soflabasser]

I prefer bass fishing with spinning tackle and fish with many lures some say can only be fished with baitcasting tackle. I tend to fish with mostly inshore spinning reels, which are far more powerful than bass fishing baitcasters most bass fishermen use. With that said, fish with whatever tackle makes you happy, whether it is ultralight spinning or heavy baitcasting tackle.

[ska4fun]

20 hours ago, Mbirdsley said:

At least as far as finesse fishing goes .3 years ago I would have said yes, That their are techniques better suited for spinning than bait casting.  
 

However, with the advent of BFS I don’t know if I could say that any more.  I’ve never used a bfs set up but, I think with bfs rigs they can do anything a lighter spinning rod can do 

In no way or form it can be said.

[zpelletier]

14 hours ago, Jar11591 said:

 This is always my line of thinking. Sure you can bash a nail into a wall with the butt end of a wrench, but no one is going to argue that a wrench is just as good as a hammer for bashing nails. 

Clearly you’ve never met an electrician

[QED]

On 8/3/2022 at 9:35 AM, Darth-Baiter said:

[stuff deleted]

but good point.  i'll try to skip a senko on my BFS.  

 

Please let us know what you find. I mostly fish on the lighter end of bass fishing gear and haven't had issues skipping baits using a baitcasting reel.