Casting Rod vs Spinning Rod Specific Techniques

[casts_by_fly]

33 minutes ago, Bird said:

It does however make me grin when I see someone throw a buzzbait on spinning and the bait finally surfaces half way back to the boat ?,

 

That's user error, not gear capability.  My spinning reel picks up more line per turn than my baitcasters and is the same length.  No reason why a buzzbait should ever be under the water in that case.

[Darth-Baiter]

GREAT topic i was pondering myself.

 

i love spinning setups.  i have 3.  which is weird becasue i only dropshot with it now.  i need 1.

when i started all this, i grabbed a bunch of baitcasters from a friends junk drawer and went fishing.  casting an unweighted senko was a challenge.  probaby a 50:50 mix of my skill and equipment.  Now?  i have transistioned all weighless yamamoto senkos to a baitcaster.  even a 4" yama senko feels substantial.  i can wing one out there.   a 5" worm is a missle. 

i think a jerkbait might be better on a spinning reel but that's about it for now.  even my tiny crankbaits get sent out with a BFS caster. 

[Jeffrey Walker]

1 hour ago, TOXIC said:

Question comes up often and usually garners a lot of debate. Historically, spinning setups were considered novice gear for those who couldn’t handle a baitcaster or needed the bigger more efficient drag systems on baitcasters.  Enter finesse fishing and upgraded attention from manufacturers on spinning gear.  The notion that spinning gear is not needed is now moot.  Look at any upper level tournament anglers gear and you will find spinning gear 100% of the time.  Can you throw a weightless Senko on a baitcaster? Sure.  Will it catch fish? You bet.  Is it more effective on spinning gear?  Yes it is.  I have yet to see anyone who can cast a weightless Senko with a baitcaster and not have it pendulum back.  You need the free line of a spinning reel for the best action.  Sure, you can manually peel line off a baitcaster but since 90% of your bites on a Senko come on the fall, I guarantee you are going to miss bites.  My boat deck is evenly stocked with baitcasters and spinning setups.  I have punched with 50lb braid and a 1 oz weight on spinning gear and I have thrown weightless plastics on baitcasters but as a rule it’s the other way around. 

can you tell me more what you have rigged up on the spinning gear or what the purpose if for the spinning gear as well as the casting gear? 

 

[Choporoz]

6 minutes ago, Jeffrey Walker said:

can you tell me more what you have rigged up on the spinning gear or what the purpose if for the spinning gear as well as the casting gear? 

 

You laid out your hypothesis in the OP.  Seems it has been affirmed.  What is your specific question?  Do you have a spinning rod?  A casting rod?  What has been your experience thus far?  And how can we help.

[WRB]

Today both spinning and casting reels have evolved to the point both perform equally.

Spinning reels for bass fishing where dedicated for finesse presentations or lures under 1/8 oz and line 8 lb test or less.

The spinning reel size between 1000 to 3000, basically your average trout reel. Today spinning reels can cost more then bait casting reels and used for big salt water fish. 

Casting reels have been popular for bass fishing over century.

The casting reel evolution has been a long haul with designs changing to perform with smaller diameter and line types.

 Bait casting reels range from 100 to 300 size, similar to spinning reels. With the popularity of Bait Finesse System light weight shallow spool and faster level winds designed for smaller diameter line traditionally used on spinning reels, todays BFS reels can cast 1/8 oz or less using line 6 lb or less can be used for finesse presentations or trout fishing.

Choice comes down to personal presence and budget. 

Tom

[Mike L]

25 minutes ago, WRB said:

Today both spinning and casting reels have evolved to the point both perform equally.

Spinning reels for bass fishing where dedicated for finesse presentations or lures under 1/8 oz and line 8 lb test or less.

The spinning reel size between 1000 to 3000, basically your average trout reel. Today spinning reels can cost more then bait casting reels and used for big salt water fish. 

Casting reels have been popular for bass fishing over century.

The casting reel evolution has been a long haul with designs changing to perform with smaller diameter and line types.

 Bait casting reels range from 100 to 300 size, similar to spinning reels. With the popularity of Bait Finesse System light weight shallow spool and faster level winds designed for smaller diameter line traditionally used on spinning reels, todays BFS reels can cast 1/8 oz or less using line 6 lb or less can be used for finesse presentations or trout fishing.

Choice comes down to personal presence and budget. 

Tom

 

Exactly!
Said it better than I could

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mike

[PhishLI]

15 hours ago, Jeffrey Walker said:

Are there any techniques or lures or applications that you belive are better suited for spinning rods vs casting rods?

In the short term for newbies, yes. However, if the ceiling of "your" comfort level with a bait caster is high, then not really anymore. This depends on more than just an educated thumb. Your ability to feel how a given bait loads a given rod combined with how you gauge your casting mechanics for it is as big a factor. We have plenty of video evidence of what's possible with casting gear. You can watch another man do what seems to be very difficult or even nearly impossible and decide you can't do it yourself, or you can bite down and figure it out. The only limit is your willpower to learn through failure, but taking that track isn't for everyone.

 

 

[JustJames]

1 hour ago, Choporoz said:

You laid out your hypothesis in the OP.  Seems it has been affirmed.  What is your specific question?  Do you have a spinning rod?  A casting rod?  What has been your experience thus far?  And how can we help.

I’m not sure if this guy is for real or just a troll from all his posts since high end BFS.

Spinning vs baitcaster all is up to individual to use them, there is no such things like has to be one on the other. Definitely bass wouldn’t  know.

[Jeffrey Walker]

so if it’s more about weight than technique, would it be fair to say that heavy spinning rods and MH rods are less popular thank light spinning gear rods like Medium power and Medium Light, light gear for lighter weight apications like drop shotting etc 

2 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_SoCal said:

I’m not sure if this guy is for real or just a troll from all his posts since high end BFS.

Spinning vs baitcaster all is up to individual to use them, there is no such things like has to be one on the other. Definitely bass wouldn’t  know.

why wouldn’t i be for real? I’m  asking questions because that’s how information gets gathered and people share things and info and experience that help others take different perspectives.  

[Darth-Baiter]

a fair number of my friends use a spinning rod for a jerkbait.  they need way far casts, and they use lighter line to keep it from being seen.  it feels weird for me but i can totally understand the argument.  

 

i dont think there is a one size fits all arguement here.  for me it is about the drop shot.  even wacky worm weightless, i seem to plop the worm more gently into the water with a baitcaster.  i feather the reel as the worm hits the water.  i make a bigger racket with the same bait on a spinning.

[Jeffrey Walker]

19 minutes ago, Darth-Baiter said:

a fair number of my friends use a spinning rod for a jerkbait.  they need way far casts, and they use lighter line to keep it from being seen.  it feels weird for me but i can totally understand the argument.  

 

i dont think there is a one size fits all arguement here.  for me it is about the drop shot.  even wacky worm weightless, i seem to plop the worm more gently into the water with a baitcaster.  i feather the reel as the worm hits the water.  i make a bigger racket with the same bait on a spinning.

Interesting I havent thought about that.  Thanks. 

[JustJames]

51 minutes ago, Jeffrey Walker said:

 

why wouldn’t i be for real? I’m  asking questions because that’s how information gets gathered and people share things and info and experience that help others take different perspectives.  

Seem like you are gathering too much information in such short period of time. In a month you goes from high end BFS to big swimbait to many type rigs and now to spinning vs baitcaster. Gathering information is good but your own experience is better. You cannot copy everyone technique at once.

Some might only use baitcaster then they will do everything They can and adapt to perfection that technique. Some prefer spinning then that might use the technique that they comfortable with. Like some mentioned there is none that spinning can do but baitcaster can’t or vice versa. It up to the individual to adapt to fish the way comfortable them.

I have a few nice spinning rigs, but only use those for a fews like Neko/Shakey head because it is more comfortable for me to shake the worm with the way I hold the rod in my fingers. Not about weight or easy to cast or distance. 
I also own 5-6 so called BFS and successfully used them for over a year for both bass and panfish. Now I hardly used those not be because I cannot cast 1oz lure or crappie jig but I feel it too much over power and take half of the fun off. For bass with my catch average about 3lb bass and often time I fish around cover like pipe, three/brushes. Weed and rock, BFS is simply not enough power to control fish and risk or damage my own equipments and the fish by leaving a lot of broken line in water. 
I am not knocking down any rigs or technique but I will shrug my shoulders every time when someone post about some techniques and only with spinning to catch fish or someone post about lucky catch of big fish on BFS and start recommending BFS to everyone.

I think you will have more and enjoyable success if you develop your own techniques base on your liking, your location and the way you fish. We don’t fish the same water, structure, bank or boat, thus too much gathering become confusing. And admitted your question is too widely you would have tons of different answer.
 

[PhishLI]

26 minutes ago, Jeffrey Walker said:

why wouldn’t i be for real?

Because your interaction with the group goes no further than asking rudimentary questions. Have you acknowledged any of the input you've gotten in any of the many threads you've started? I haven't noticed much of that if at all. You don't seem to follow up with anything to indicate that you actually go fishing either. Your lost fish/scale thread in fishing reports was pretty cool and is evidence that you're a real person, and probably a good person too, but short of that you come across like @Bass_Fishing_SoCal indicated for the reasons described above. When you first started posting, I thought you were just a kid who signed on just to yank people's chains around here. Sorry, just how I saw it.

 

There's no rule against mining the group for info though, so...It's your choice whether to be a one way street or not.

[WRB]

A skilled caster can be very accurate with either spinning or casting reels. The rod plays a major role in casting distance and accuracy. Spinning you control the line with a finger coming off the spool, casting you use your thumb.

Tom

[JustJames]

3 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Because your interaction with the group goes no further than asking rudimentary questions. Have you acknowledged any of the input you've gotten in any of the many threads you've started? I haven't noticed much of that if at all. You don't seem to follow up with anything to indicate that you actually go fishing either. Your lost fish/scale thread in fishing reports was pretty cool and is evidence that you're a real person, and probably a good person too, but short of that you come across like @Bass_Fishing_SoCal indicated for the reasons described above. When you first started posting, I thought you were just a kid who signed on just to yank people's chains around here. Sorry, just how I saw it.

 

There's no rule against mining the group for info though, so...It's your choice whether to be a one way street or not.

I was thinking the same thing “just a kid or a troll”. I haven’t participated in a lot of posting nowadays and checked his PB post just now. Sorry to him that I have doubt but still my answer would still be the same. 

[fishwizzard]

I fish "finesse" a lot and I don't think there is anything where I "have" to use a spinning rod for.  I strongly prefer the ergonomics of a casting combo and with the right gear I don't see how any common bass presentation would require a spinning combo.  A light weight spool set with no side play offers basically no resistance to line being pulled, so other then wind issues, it's all casting for me.

 

The only exception is tiny hair jigs or thing like that were you have both a light weight and an unaerodynamic lure.  I am sure one could find casting gear to throw a 1/16oz ball of feathers/hair, but for me that goes beyond the realms of reason. 

[Woody B]

6 hours ago, Deephaven said:

I dislike having to strip line by hand to get it down...

You don't have too if you set the tension loose enough.   

 

I hate spinning reels.  I pretty much never use them.   I hate the twisted up line and I simply can't cast them.    I could be in the middle of the ocean with a spinning set up and would be lucky to hit the water.   I have friends who love spinning set ups, and can cast them accurately.   

[TOXIC]

I will repeat and die on the hill that a weightless Senko should never be thrown on anything heavier than 8lb test mono and a spinning rod.  Ever. 

[Tennessee Boy]

I know people who only fish spinning and it works for them.

 

I know people who only fish bait casting and it works for them.

 

I fish both and it works for me.  
 

[Jeffrey Walker]

2 minutes ago, Tennessee Boy said:

I know people who only fish spinning and it works for them.

 

I know people who only fish bait casting and it works for them.

 

I fish both and it works for me.  
 

I would be interested in hearing what you prefer each for, specifically. 

[Deephaven]

2 hours ago, Woody B said:

You don't have too if you set the tension loose enough.   

 

And then I make a cast and forget and need to respool.  I am the king of those sort of whoops.  

 

I also have never run 5lb test on a BC which is normally what I use when dropping a 1/4oz sinker to 25'.  I can't imagine how loose the spool would need to be, but I have no bfs stuff either.

[VolFan]

I fish both from BFS weights up to larger (6oz) swim baits and even catfish.  The equipment is there to do whatever you want to do in any remotely normal bass world with either. Your skill level with either, and how much you want to spend on it, is up to you.

[fishwizzard]

1 hour ago, TOXIC said:

I will repeat and die on the hill that a weightless Senko should never be thrown on anything heavier than 8lb test mono and a spinning rod.  Ever. 

 

My hill is "A Club Sandwich is one exact thing!", but I gotta say, a t-rigged Senko fished on 10lb Sniper with a M-ish/F-ish casting rod has been working pretty well over the years fishing weedlines and sparse pads.  

[Bass Rutten]

[MN Fisher]

11 hours ago, Choporoz said:

But there are plenty of spinning anglers out there with HF spinning rods catching frogs and punching.

Dobyns Sierra 705SF anyone?