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[JustJames]

On 7/28/2022 at 4:17 PM, dodgeguy said:

That's absurd. You may prefer other lines which is ok but that statement is absurd. Practical Reasons I use braid on baitcasters 1) It backlashes less 2) When it does backlash it's easier to get out. 3) when it does backlash it doesn't damage the line 4) for me I feel way more bites and way more of what my lure is doing than other lines 5) it last so long it costs less 6) I lose hardly any lures using braid

1 backlash less, it is not so true unless you only cast one way and only use a few type heavy lure or only 15-20 yds is satisfied distance for you.

2 when backlash easier to get out.this I believe depends on experience but you only use 50lb rope. Maybe that why. I had to cut my braid once 40lb, because I slings 1/2 spinnerbait so hard. 

3. Doesn’t damage the line. Let me say damage less would be better word.

4. Feel way more bite. Yes if you only count the fish that show aggressively bite which usually small fish. From my little experience that type bite is only 50-60% of all the fish I caught (more percentages on small fish, less and less when the fish get bigger. Feel your lure doing? You must cast 5-10 yards away to feel Senko with 50lb rope.

5. Last long time, I agree cost less may be true if you have multiple rig. For those that have a few and wanna change line to fit the lure and techniques getting 8, 12 and 20lb big game line might be more cost effective and can fish in variety type on techniques.

6 hardly loose any lure, you might only fish in no structure farm pond or only moving bait.

 

 

[softwateronly]

6 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_SoCal said:

1 backlash less, it is not so true unless you only cast one way and only use a few type heavy lure or only 15-20 yds is satisfied distance for you.

2 when backlash easier to get out.this I believe depends on experience but you only use 50lb rope. Maybe that why. I had to cut my braid once 40lb, because I slings 1/2 spinnerbait so hard. 

3. Doesn’t damage the line. Let me say damage less would be better word.

4. Feel way more bite. Yes if you only count the fish that show aggressively bite which usually small fish. From my little experience that type bite is only 50-60% of all the fish I caught (more percentages on small fish, less and less when the fish get bigger. Feel your lure doing? You must cast 5-10 yards away to feel Senko with 50lb rope.

5. Last long time, I agree cost less may be true if you have multiple rig. For those that have a few and wanna change line to fit the lure and techniques getting 8, 12 and 20lb big game line might be more cost effective and can fish in variety type on techniques.

6 hardly loose any lure, you might only fish in no structure farm pond or only moving bait.

 

 

 

1 - might be true for you, but not objectively true.  That said matching thin braid and light lures require proper equipment, but isn't that true regardless

 

2 - not sure, but I have achieved professional overruns and picked more than most out.

 

3 - agree

 

4 - I fish semi-slack with braid to leader, don't think I miss loads of bites, though the initial jig fall bite is one of the hardest for me to detect if there is no swimming off.  "Weighing" my jig is my most effective method.  My straight copoly rigs feel slightly dead in hand and require a recalibration of feel that day.  

 

5 - mono and braid are probably equally cost efficient imho, floro is the true outlier

 

6 - braid is definitely susceptible to sharp rocks/zebra mussels, wood.  Leader solves this for me.

 

Rod, reel, line are all working together as a system.  There are many ways to organize your personal system and I am more than happy that there are options for me and everyone else to play around with.  Sharing pluses and minuses allowed me to set myself up in a way that works for me.  Lots of opinions on this site masquerade as facts.  This paragraph isn't directed at you @Bass_Fishing_SoCal just my general gripe/vent with an otherwise great group of people and experience.

 

scott

[JustJames]

2 hours ago, softwateronly said:

 

4 - I fish semi-slack with braid to leader, don't think I miss loads of bites, though the initial jig fall bite is one of the hardest for me to detect if there is no swimming off.  "Weighing" my jig is my most effective method.  My straight copoly rigs feel slightly dead in hand and require a recalibration of feel that day.  

 

Weighing method is no semi-slack line to me. On my other post I also fish jig with 30lb braid no leader. Once you start weighting jig you reel in slack of your line and feel the rod tip that give if line suddenly change????

 

I have no problem using braid with jig, but this guy advised using braid for thing like Senko. 
When I post this 6 thing all my mind is about “him and all the thing he post against my experience alone” not about others in general. 
 

[softwateronly]

On 7/30/2022 at 6:07 PM, Bass_Fishing_SoCal said:

Weighing method is no semi-slack line to me. On my other post I also fish jig with 30lb braid no leader. Once you start weighting jig you reel in slack of your line and feel the rod tip that give if line suddenly change????

 

 

I agree and was probably unclear.

 

weighing // no slack = best

semi-slack = good

full slack // initial fall = worst for feel, line watching and time to bottom indicate bites for me

 

scott

[MickD]

Regarding Glenn's video on when to use braid.  I find it interesting to hear that rocks cut braid so easily, yet we need specialized scissors to cut it.

 

Maybe I should develop some scissors made of rocks.  ?

[GaryH]

On 7/28/2022 at 8:57 AM, Jonny15678 said:

I never fish with a leader but would like to. I have 40lb braid and a straight shank hook for Texas rig. Do I need to match diameter of braid for the leader?

To get back to your question. No it doesn’t have to match but I do find myself being close to same diameter when I use a leader.

[Bluebasser86]

IMO, if I'm fishing braid on a baitcaster, then what I'm doing doesn't require a leader. 

[ThatZX14Fella]

I only use leaders on my catfish rigs for abrasion resistance. For bass and bluegill, I run straight braid. It provides the best sensitivity, the best line management, and the best overall performance for me.

[Boomstick]

On 7/29/2022 at 9:02 AM, dodgeguy said:

DDLMB don't live where I am. Here in NY a 6lber equals DD other places.

I almost never have to cut out backlashes with braid. You are doing something wrong. I've probably cut out 1 in the past 10 years.

It's not common, but if it gets really bad with braid good luck getting the knots out. I can get them out on mono or fluoro.

[dodgeguy]

1 hour ago, Boomstick said:

It's not common, but if it gets really bad with braid good luck getting the knots out. I can get them out on mono or fluoro.

I reel against my thumb on the spool and then pull. Believe it or knot (haha) a lot of times you can pull on a braid knot and it pops right out.i never use a pick.

[Boomstick]

1 hour ago, dodgeguy said:

I reel against my thumb on the spool and then pull. Believe it or knot (haha) a lot of times you can pull on a braid knot and it pops right out.i never use a pick.

I do the same thing. It works most of the time, but when it doesn’t is when I’m out of luck.