Why is the new Zillion smoother than the new Alphas?

[FishTank]

43 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

This little o-ring is what you’d be looking for.  Looks like it may be there on the second picture?

 

 

Got it. Definitely not the one I was thinking of.  The second picture is the Silver Wolf.  Looks like they both have it. 

Here is a better picture of the Silver Wolf spool with the ring.

 

 

[Tail Slap]

Just checked mine (SW) it has it.

 

No reason you could not swap a G spool into an HD either way.  If the HD magZ has a metal ring I would think Daiwa tech had a reason for it in the magZ boost spool.  It's not like it was a cost benefit.  I do not have an HD yet so does the magZ B spool shaft have the groove and metal ring or no groove at all?

[AmmoGuy]

The SW only comes in 8.5, right? 
I sure hope so, because I already have two 8.1 zillions, and that will keep me from giving in to ordering one. ?

[Tail Slap]

19 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

The SW only comes in 8.5, right? 
I sure hope so, because I already have two 8.1 zillions, and that will keep me from giving in to ordering one. ?

Correct only comes in the one gear ratio...8.5:1

[DaveT63]

How does the Silver Wolf compare to the Zillion G?

[bulldog1935]

@DaveT63

Zillion G has 1016 Boost spool and brass gears (100 yds 16-lb mono)

 

Silver Wolf is the "PE Special" with shallow spool, and increased LW pitch to prevent line dig with the lightest braid. 

[Tatulatard]

On 7/27/2022 at 10:04 PM, newapti5 said:

Don't get me wrong, the new Alphas SV TW 800 is a smooth reel, but the new Zillion's smoothness is on another level. Nevertheless, those "Hyper" stuff with the new Zillion, the new Alphas has them, too. So what is it?  Possible causes:

1. The Alphas's frame is magnesium, and Zillion's is aluminum. 

2. Zillion has aluminum sideplate, and Alphas doesn't.

3. Zillion's tolerance is just plain better. 

What do you guys think? 

 

Both of mine are equally smooth cranking in a bait.  Just playing with the reels spinning the handle and the alphas tw isn't as free spinning as the zillion but that's probably due to the different spools.  Sv spools like what's in the alphas will brake even when spinning the handle and actually reduce handle free spin.

[FishTank]

5 minutes ago, DaveT63 said:

How does the Silver Wolf compare to the Zillion G?

The Silver Wolf is designed to fish bream but it's more of a BFS reel with some back bone. It's a little smaller than the regular Zillion and made to fish PE rated braid. So far both reels have been great.

[AmmoGuy]

1 hour ago, FishTank said:

It's a little smaller than the regular Zillion

In what regard? 

[FishTank]

13 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

In what regard? 

The frame. I will add a Pic later of the two of them side by side for comparison. 

[AmmoGuy]

1 minute ago, FishTank said:

The frame. I will add a Pic later of two them side by side for comparison. 

Ah, you mean compared to a Zillion 1016. ?

 

I read it as compared to a 21 Zillion G. 

[Jrob78]

I bit the bullet and ordered a SW the other day. I have the Alphas, Zillion and HD. My HD is the smoothest and freest caster of the lot but the JDM Zillion and Alphas are pretty close

[FishTank]

10 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

Ah, you mean compared to a Zillion 1016. ?

 

I read it as compared to a 21 Zillion G. 

The new 2021.

 

 

[newapti5]

1 hour ago, Tatulatard said:

Both of mine are equally smooth cranking in a bait.  Just playing with the reels spinning the handle and the alphas tw isn't as free spinning as the zillion but that's probably due to the different spools.  Sv spools like what's in the alphas will brake even when spinning the handle and actually reduce handle free spin.

 

Yep, don't let Daiwa reels' slow free spin fool you. 

[AmmoGuy]

6 minutes ago, FishTank said:

The new 2021.

 

 

 

 

Wait, I thought the Silver Wolf and the 21 G were the exact same reels other than the spool, levelwind, and paint?  Your saying the frames are different? 

[newapti5]

1 hour ago, bulldog1935 said:

Silver Wolf is the "PE Special" with shallow spool, and increased LW pitch to prevent line dig with the lightest braid. 

 

Here Daiwa is making the level wind faster, yet on the new Stella FK, Shimano is slowing the spool oscillation down with their "INFINITY LOOP."  Both are for small diameter lines. Interesting.

[FishTank]

20 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

 

 

Wait, I thought the Silver Wolf and the 21 G were the exact same reels other than the spool, levelwind, and paint?  Your saying the frames are different? 

I could be wrong.  They just feel different.  I'll check it out after work.

[Tatulatard]

Both are the same size I bet any perceived size difference probably due to one being black with a bright silver star and the other being bright silver with a black star.  The dark body contrasting with the bright star appearing smaller than the bright body and dark star of the other.  Maybe a combination of reel seat heights too with whichever rod they are mounted onto making for a felt hight difference paired to a perceived optical difference.  If you don't believe me, there is a reason kitchen islands will have dark lower cabinets while the ones on the wall will be lighter colored in small kitchen with an island.  It draws you eye to the wall cabinets and makes the island not pop out as much when it is darker.  

[bulldog1935]

46 minutes ago, newapti5 said:

Here Daiwa is making the level wind faster, yet on the new Stella FK, Shimano is slowing the spool oscillation down with their "INFINITY LOOP."  Both are for small diameter lines. Interesting.

off topic this time, the Tournament guys with spinning reels like to swap worm drive to slow wind pitch on their 75-mm-dia spools, so it's more likely to improve cast distance, because they're not worried about line dig. 

[WC53]

I like the zillion better than the air. The silver wolf and the G I have are the same size based on calipers 

[FishTank]

15 minutes ago, Tatulatard said:

Both are the same size I bet any perceived size difference probably due to one being black with a bright silver star and the other being bright silver with a black star.  

I was kind of thinking this when I said one was smaller but was too proud to say black is slimming. ?

[DaveT63]

4 hours ago, FishTank said:

The Silver Wolf is designed to fish bream but it's more of a BFS reel with some back bone. It's a little smaller than the regular Zillion and made to fish PE rated braid. So far both reels have been great.

Thank you both, Bulldog and Fishtank!  I have a G, will get to fish it for the first time tomorrow.  I don't fish BFS, so will pass on the SW. 

[PhishLI]

5 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

Silver Wolf is the "PE Special" with shallow spool, and increased LW pitch to prevent line dig with the lightest braid. 

For my curiosity, would you test this against the G? I've read claims stating that the traverse of the level wind compared to revolutions on "some" PE labelled Daiwa reels were no different than their standard type counterparts built on the same platform.

[bulldog1935]

@PhishLI

Quickly set up macro on rigged rods, and not exact perspective, T-wing not in the exact position, but you can see the pitch difference in the worm gears. 

more nodes across the width on the slower-pitch SVTW

fewer nodes across the width on the faster-pitch Silver Wofl

 

Crop from Japan Tackle listing for Silver Wolf

[waymont]

On 7/27/2022 at 10:24 PM, bulldog1935 said:

This puppy is stunning smooth.

Tell about the Silver Wolf. I only fish braid to leader, so it should be a good match for me.

I'd probably use it for light jigs/t rigs with 20lb braid to 12lb FC leader. Any advice would be helpful.