SCIV+ graphite?

[CrashVector]

Anyone know what this is?  They introduced the new St. Croix Legend Tournament Series Casting Rods made of "SCIV+" graphite at icast this year.  They called it "super high modulus" graphite, but gave no other specs except SCIV+...and I've no idea what that is.

 

I'm looking to put together a true high end combo, and the Abu Garcia Zenon rod is on my short list, but so is this st croix...if I knew more about its construction.

 

I wish all manufacturers would just spell out the modulus in tons so consumers could more readily know what's in the blank.

 

Whichever rod I chose, it'll be paired with a new Zenon MG-LTX reel as my new high end finesse combo.

[QED]

Acronym salad for marketing purposes.  Also used in their Legend Xtreme series if you wish to go with their highest end rods. I have one and like it just fine but still don't know what their marketing-speak even means.

[Tail Slap]

SCIV is a carbon fiber which they have been using for a while. They call it a high-moduls high strain graphite fiber  with carbon matte scrim  The + is the additive of combining high strength s class fiber glass into the SCIV in a specific way.  It's why I believe you see it spoken of as Hybrid mix. 

 

This page at least gives a general idea  https://stcroixrods.com/pages/materials

 

I am sure someone knows better than I the full technicals on it all.  

 

Here is info on S-glass fibers  (e-glass is electrical fiber glass)

 

S-glass is a high performance glass fiber, distinguished from E-glass primarily by its higher silica content. S-glass typically contains the oxides of silicon, aluminum, and magnesium with the following mechanical properties:

• Density: 2.53 g/cm³ (157.9 lb/ft³)
• Tensile strength: 4,600 MPa (670 ksi)
• Modulus of elasticity: 89 GPa (12,910 ksi)
• Percent elongation: 5.2

Compared to E-glass, S-fiberglass offers much higher tensile strength and elastic modulus as well as about 10% greater stiffness. Other key characteristics include excellent temperature resistance, good moisture resistance, and long fatigue and shelf lives. These qualities make it suitable for use in demanding applications. For example, it is commonly used in the aerospace industry for cargo liners, gaskets, and other interior components.

 

 

Hope this helps some what

[PaulVE64]

I think too much emphasis is placed on the blank. The walls of the blank can only get so thin, but the technologies they employ on that blank and the rest of the hardware they use are also very important to the rods performance.

 

It's very hard to rank rods based on specs. alone. IMO - get them in hand and bring your reel 

[MickD]

3 hours ago, Tail Slap said:

SCIV is a carbon fiber which they have been using for a while. They call it a high-moduls high strain graphite fiber  with carbon matte scrim  The + is the additive of combining high strength s class fiber glass into the SCIV in a specific way.  It's why I believe you see it spoken of as Hybrid mix. 

 

This page at least gives a general idea  https://stcroixrods.com/pages/materials

 

I am sure someone knows better than I the full technicals on it all.  

 

Here is info on S-glass fibers  (e-glass is electrical fiber glass)

 

S-glass is a high performance glass fiber, distinguished from E-glass primarily by its higher silica content. S-glass typically contains the oxides of silicon, aluminum, and magnesium with the following mechanical properties:

• Density: 2.53 g/cm³ (157.9 lb/ft³)
• Tensile strength: 4,600 MPa (670 ksi)
• Modulus of elasticity: 89 GPa (12,910 ksi)
• Percent elongation: 5.2

Compared to E-glass, S-fiberglass offers much higher tensile strength and elastic modulus as well as about 10% greater stiffness. Other key characteristics include excellent temperature resistance, good moisture resistance, and long fatigue and shelf lives. These qualities make it suitable for use in demanding applications. For example, it is commonly used in the aerospace industry for cargo liners, gaskets, and other interior components.

 

 

Hope this helps some what

EXCELLENT POST!

[Deleted account]

"We have developed a proprietary process where nano particles are ground into an even smaller size using a newly discovered Alien technology Mesopotamian mill operated by virgins, who are then offered to Nanna to ensure ideal resin curing, we call it DFT, Deflower Flour Technology"..

[Alex from GA]

Thanks, that gave me the laugh for today.

[Deleted account]

2 hours ago, Alex from GA said:

Thanks, that gave me the laugh for today.

Ripped from the headlines...

 

"Insanely sensitive and awash with *** ***** proprietary technologies"

[padon]

its sc4 graphite which id the same graphite stcroix has used in the legend tournament for a few years. the plus comes from a material they call sc6. they developed it to build rods but although very high modulus and light they found it too brittle to use for a whole rod.what they could do was use it to reinforce certain parts of the rod and replace heavier materials formerly used there. they do the same with the victory line and sc3 graphite. to cut through all the technical jargon i have a current generation spinning rod 7ft medium. its better balanced and lighter than the previous generation and fishes on par with shimano expride and megabass orochi that i also own. as to which rod you like best i have no idea you can only decide that.

[CrashVector]

1 hour ago, padon said:

its sc4 graphite which id the same graphite stcroix has used in the legend tournament for a few years. the plus comes from a material they call sc6. they developed it to build rods but although very high modulus and light they found it too brittle to use for a whole rod.what they could do was use it to reinforce certain parts of the rod and replace heavier materials formerly used there. they do the same with the victory line and sc3 graphite. to cut through all the technical jargon i have a current generation spinning rod 7ft medium. its better balanced and lighter than the previous generation and fishes on par with shimano expride and megabass orochi that i also own. as to which rod you like best i have no idea you can only decide that.

 

 

Thanks for the info!!

 

Any commentary on the sensitivity of the rods using that?

 

I know the Abu uses 40 and 44ton modulus graphite.  My Fantasista-X uses 40 and is supremely light and sensitive, and the Zenon is supposed to be a step up. 

 

If the st Croix is superior, I'm going w the better rod, not the name.

[padon]

its a little hard for me to comment on that. ive never fished one of the abu rods and sensitivity is subjective to me. i can only say ive fished a good bit of neko and flukes on the rod and have no trouble feeling bites with 15 pound braid and 10 pound flouro.

[Deleted account]

9 hours ago, padon said:

its sc4 graphite which id the same graphite stcroix has used in the legend tournament for a few years. the plus comes from a material they call sc6. they developed it to build rods but although very high modulus and light they found it too brittle to use for a whole rod.what they could do was use it to reinforce certain parts of the rod and replace heavier materials formerly used there. they do the same with the victory line and sc3 graphite. to cut through all the technical jargon i have a current generation spinning rod 7ft medium. its better balanced and lighter than the previous generation and fishes on par with shimano expride and megabass orochi that i also own. as to which rod you like best i have no idea you can only decide that.

When you mix some cherry, I'll take a cup....

[Tatulatard]

On 7/26/2022 at 7:20 AM, Deleted account said:

"We have developed a proprietary process where nano particles are ground into an even smaller size using a newly discovered Alien technology Mesopotamian mill operated by virgins, who are then offered to Nanna to ensure ideal resin curing, we call it DFT, Deflower Flour Technology"..

Is it graphite or an advanced technology given to humans by extraterrestrial visitors as some ancient astronauts researchers theorize?

[Deleted account]

22 minutes ago, Tatulatard said:

Is it graphite or an advanced technology given to humans by extraterrestrial visitors as some ancient astronauts researchers theorize?

Pyramidtanium

[padon]

14 hours ago, Deleted account said:

When you mix some cherry, I'll take a cup....

look i didnt invent the stuff im just telling you what the designer said in an interview i heard. could be bamboo for all i know. lol

[GetFishorDieTryin]

Theres 2 kinds of SC4+ rods in the LTB line.  Either its SC4+carbon which is SC4 blended with SC6 or SC4+iglass (or whatever they call it) which is the SC4 blended with their latest fiberglass like material.  

They feel considerably lighter then the older generation which felt heavy to me.  I like the new handle design over the old especially for the spinning rods.  I've only handled them so dont know how they fish.  I would imagine they fish great but I was a little disappointed in the victory, particularly the 6'10.  It feels great in hand, but I dont get the feedback like I do with my other rods even less expensive and older SCs.

[fishballer06]

On 7/26/2022 at 3:31 AM, Tail Slap said:

SCIV is a carbon fiber which they have been using for a while. They call it a high-moduls high strain graphite fiber  with carbon matte scrim  The + is the additive of combining high strength s class fiber glass into the SCIV in a specific way.  It's why I believe you see it spoken of as Hybrid mix. 

 

This page at least gives a general idea  https://stcroixrods.com/pages/materials

 

I am sure someone knows better than I the full technicals on it all.  

 

Here is info on S-glass fibers  (e-glass is electrical fiber glass)

 

S-glass is a high performance glass fiber, distinguished from E-glass primarily by its higher silica content. S-glass typically contains the oxides of silicon, aluminum, and magnesium with the following mechanical properties:

• Density: 2.53 g/cm³ (157.9 lb/ft³)
• Tensile strength: 4,600 MPa (670 ksi)
• Modulus of elasticity: 89 GPa (12,910 ksi)
• Percent elongation: 5.2

Compared to E-glass, S-fiberglass offers much higher tensile strength and elastic modulus as well as about 10% greater stiffness. Other key characteristics include excellent temperature resistance, good moisture resistance, and long fatigue and shelf lives. These qualities make it suitable for use in demanding applications. For example, it is commonly used in the aerospace industry for cargo liners, gaskets, and other interior components.

 

Whoa, easy now. We're just a bunch of dumb fishermen...

 

So I should buy it?

[J Francho]

11 minutes ago, fishballer06 said:

 

Whoa, easy now. We're just a bunch of dumb fishermen...

 

So I should buy it?

Yep, I have one and compared to my older LTB they are crisper and lighter. 

[fishballer06]

4 hours ago, J Francho said:

Yep, I have one and compared to my older LTB they are crisper and lighter. 

Have the changed the reel seat/grip? My LTB grip is awkward feeling in my hand. 

[J Francho]

Yes, it was highly updated. I like that the threads are covered on the reel seat. 

[Lead Head]

If you are wanting a high end rod, consider custom. You can get as much, or as little bling as you want, and match up to the color of your reel. Of the two rods you mentioned, SC sells blanks, and there are others that are just as good (or better, largely depending on personal preference).

[CrashVector]

On 7/28/2022 at 12:56 PM, J Francho said:

Yes, it was highly updated. I like that the threads are covered on the reel seat. 

 

That's an often overlooked detail I appreciate.

 

It's a small thing, but it DOES annoy me when I can feel the threads on the reel seat.

On 7/28/2022 at 5:17 PM, Lead Head said:

If you are wanting a high end rod, consider custom. You can get as much, or as little bling as you want, and match up to the color of your reel. Of the two rods you mentioned, SC sells blanks, and there are others that are just as good (or better, largely depending on personal preference).

 

I've debated on it.  The only thing that's stopping me is that with the Abu Garcia and g. Loomis rods, I know what kind of sensitivity I'm paying for already.

 

When I'm spending $400-$500 for just a rod, I want to feel a minnow fart on my line.

[padon]

13 hours ago, CrashVector said:

 

That's an often overlooked detail I appreciate.

 

It's a small thing, but it DOES annoy me when I can feel the threads on the reel seat.

 

I've debated on it.  The only thing that's stopping me is that with the Abu Garcia and g. Loomis rods, I know what kind of sensitivity I'm paying for already.

 

When I'm spending $400-$500 for just a rod, I want to feel a minnow fart on my line.

true but the legend tournament sells for around 300. ifyou step up tot hat price range go with the legend elite and im confident youll enjoy it.

[Tim Kelly]

Can't imagine how you could make a buying decision based on what raw materials the manufacturer says they're using. No way you can compare rods without holding them and using them.

 

I kind of know what you mean though. I've used and built a lot of St Croix rods, so know what they're likely to be like. Never understood the Loomis range and never owned or used a Loomis, so have no idea what I'd be buying if I couldn't put it in my hand.