Super User dodgeguy Posted July 22, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, J Francho said: Those Bantams were smaller and much lighter than the Shimano built Lew's reels of the time. Which was Built first? As far as I know the Lew's was. That means Shimano copied it and made it smaller. Don't know if their contract allowed it or not but it certainly wasn't their idea. 1
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted July 22, 2022 Global Moderator Posted July 22, 2022 2 hours ago, PhishLI said: It isn't. This is all just cognescenti OCD which has spilled out a little. 99.9% of people who fish will never be aware of this info, and if you tried to explain it to them their eyes would just glaze over. I knew something was wrong with my eyes. Next thread…….. 2
Super User Catt Posted July 22, 2022 Super User Posted July 22, 2022 45 minutes ago, dodgeguy said: Which was Built first? As far as I know the Lew's was. That means Shimano copied it and made it smaller. Don't know if their contract allowed it or not but it certainly wasn't their idea. It's my understanding Shimano built reels under Lew's name. The Bantam was Shimano's first reel under their name. 1
Super User dodgeguy Posted July 22, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 22, 2022 I get that. It's my understanding they built the Lew's design first as it was the first reel with those features. As far as I know it was not a Shimano design. Their reel is just a smaller version of the Lew's . Lew's has never built their own reels.it was one of the first companies to start global manufacturing . 1
rangerjockey Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 43 minutes ago, dodgeguy said: I get that. It's my understanding they built the Lew's design first as it was the first reel with those features. As far as I know it was not a Shimano design. Their reel is just a smaller version of the Lew's . Lew's has never built their own reels.it was one of the first companies to start global manufacturing . I kinda think you want Lew's to be a bigger player in the industry than it was. The reels were never as popular as the Abu's. And the rods never made a huge splash although they were the first to have a pistol grip that I personally remember, and I still have a spinning rod that has kind of solid material to fashion Tennessee handle. so, they had some innovation for sure, but they didn't compete with the bigger players of the time like Fenwick. Another thing to remember is that Lew Childre only ran it for 5 years or so before he was killed, and it became kind of a rudderless ship after that. I believe the bantam was released after his death.
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JMac603 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 7 hours ago, roadwarrior said: The argument for "brand names", whether it's fishing gear or cereal, is consistency. Reputations are built over time. Your point and mine aren't mutually exclusive.
Super User WRB Posted July 22, 2022 Super User Posted July 22, 2022 I don’t have any issues with products made in Republic of Korea (South Korea). Intellectual property rights, IP, including patents are honored if you register you IP with The Republic of Korea, they are not a member country. China on the other hand ignores IP including patents and have issues with products made in China. Tom
ska4fun Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 I suspect this paramag thing is more boastfull claim than anything else. All magnetic braking systems are PARAMAGnetice, because it's the nature of aluminum. It becomes magnetic when spinning, under a magnetic field.
Super User WRB Posted July 22, 2022 Super User Posted July 22, 2022 2 hours ago, dodgeguy said: I get that. It's my understanding they built the Lew's design first as it was the first reel with those features. As far as I know it was not a Shimano design. Their reel is just a smaller version of the Lew's . Lew's has never built their own reels.it was one of the first companies to start global manufacturing . The 1st BB1 Lew’s reel was built by Shimano America bicycle div is the state of Washington. The 2nd manufacturer for Lew’s was Ryobi in Japan. Not aware of the licensing agreement Lew’s Childre with Shimano or Ryobi, both copied the patent design. Tom 2
Super User NYWayfarer Posted July 22, 2022 Super User Posted July 22, 2022 The future of advanced manufacturing is robotics and 3-D printing. A company will design a reel and techs will code robots to put it together with parts that are 3-D printed. Hopefully US companies, like Lew’s will do that here in the United States. Right now the thought is Doyo designs reels. They show a catalog of all these designs to a company like Lew’s who picks one, let’s say the Doyo Razor and either brands it with their logo and renames it to the Mach Infinity or they tweak it a bit to say it’s their design. A Lew’s LFS and Tournament MP are still great reels even if they were made this way. 3
Super User PhishLI Posted July 22, 2022 Super User Posted July 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, ska4fun said: I suspect this paramag thing is more boastfull claim than anything else. Perhaps, but I like to keep an open mind. In my experience, if something is built differently it behaves differently. Just like centrifugally braked reels of different design, mag brake reels are not all created equal. If the same braintrust who came up with the excellent 6 pin ACB braking system is behind this particular Paramag system, then this might be something special. We'll see. 2
ska4fun Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, PhishLI said: Perhaps, but I like to keep an open mind. In my experience, if something is built differently it behaves differently. Just like centrifugally braked reels of different design, mag brake reels are not all created equal. If the same braintrust who came up with the excellent 6 pin ACB braking system is behind this particular Paramag system, then this might be something special. We'll see. Indeed. Do you like the ACB system? The IVCB-II by Abu Garcia, with ceramic blocks is the best centrifugal braking system I ever used, even more so with a polished braking plate.
Super User Catt Posted July 22, 2022 Super User Posted July 22, 2022 2 hours ago, rangerjockey said: I kinda think you want Lew's to be a bigger player in the industry than it was. The reels were never as popular as the Abu's Lew's BB1 was & still is extremely popular down here especially when paired with Falcon rods. At the time Abu Garcia only had 5000/5500s. 2 hours ago, rangerjockey said: the rods never made a huge splash although they were the first to have a pistol grip that I personally remember That would be Fenwick's LunkerStiks 1
Super User PhishLI Posted July 22, 2022 Super User Posted July 22, 2022 31 minutes ago, ska4fun said: Do you like the ACB system? I do. Whether it's calibrated well to me, or I've calibrated myself to it, I find it to be very well suited to my casting style. I can only hope they don't somehow lose what I like about it after the inevitable next generation comes out. I'd really miss it if that were to occur. 1
rangerjockey Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, Catt said: Lew's BB1 was & still is extremely popular down here especially when paired with Falcon rods. At the time Abu Garcia only had 5000/5500s. That would be Fenwick's LunkerStiks Lew's only had the BB1 to my knowledge. Abu had 4000,5000 and the 5500 in later years. The lew's was a slow reel compared to the 5000 and 5500 if you consider 5:1 fast but it was for the day. I remember you could buy "Buzz Gears " for the 4000 to bring to a blazing 5:1. 1
coak Posted July 23, 2022 Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/22/2022 at 1:55 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said: No great review from me just no love for the 2 duds I had/have. The Tour S3 sent back Smoke S3 is in its box most likely wont get used again. I’ve been using older Tour Editions for years and they’ve been tanks! Granted the older ACS system needs getting used to, but once dialed in they zing. I had a gen 2 Smoke that was stolen last year. That reel wasn’t in the same league as the TE’s I own.
Super User dodgeguy Posted July 23, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, coak said: I’ve been using older Tour Editions for years and they’ve been tanks! Granted the older ACS system needs getting used to, but once dialed in they zing. I had a gen 2 Smoke that was stolen last year. That reel wasn’t in the same league as the TE’s I own. Is that the round one ? I liked the round one that had acs. They were the first reels with that feature.
coak Posted July 23, 2022 Posted July 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, dodgeguy said: Is that the round one ? I liked the round one that had acs. They were the first reels with that feature. Not round reels, but the low pros that came out around 06-08 that had the chrome finish and carbon fiber handles. Retail orig was around $269ish. I still look for them, but they’re getting harder and harder to find. I have 6 so far.... 1
ska4fun Posted July 23, 2022 Posted July 23, 2022 By the way the ACB braking is proprietary of Doyo, used by a brazilian OEM brand, called Marine sports, in their Lubina, Liger and Venator reels. The ACB with ceramic blocks is proprietary of Abu Garcia.
Super User Columbia Craw Posted July 24, 2022 Super User Posted July 24, 2022 All made in Japan. These are not the Shimano models of which, I had two and sold. I tried to buy them back . No luck. There are technically two generations displayed. The earlier have the anti reverse switch on top. 3
Super User dodgeguy Posted July 24, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 24, 2022 On 7/22/2022 at 11:38 AM, rangerjockey said: The bantam's were a Shimano design. They look similar which is no surprise but they are smaller than the BB1. The first design was the BB1. All they did was shrink it. 1
Super User bulldog1935 Posted July 24, 2022 Super User Posted July 24, 2022 First Lew's I bought for my dad's birthday gift was a BB-1LMG, which was Shimano-made. I bought it for him several years before Daiwa non-parts-support on my Millionaire 6H (7-y-o) forced me to buy my first BB-1NG (not Shimano-made). That kept me away from Daiwa until I bought my '19 Steez and then '21 Zillion for the aftermarket spools made for them. (Just bought a Zillion Silver Wolf for my 3rd Daiwa since 1978). Yes, it was Lew's patent that separated freespool from LW, and wrote a whole new clean sheet of paper and the Next Level in casting that everyone is spoiled with today. Shimano copied Lew's design, which ended Lew's business relationship with Shimano, and sent Lew's elsewhere to build his idea. I wouldn't have considered anything but Lew's until I found a better reel for my ML niche. And I'm still not sure how this thread ran for 3 pages.
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